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bij
Feb 24, 2007

The Deimos is pretty great and the console is stupid good. They initially used the wrong Synth ship image in the promo material and I have been waiting for this thing to show up ever since.

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g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

bij posted:

The Deimos is pretty great and the console is stupid good.
Now they just need to give us the Crossfield refit for the trait to go with that console.

Lorak
Apr 7, 2009

Well, there goes the Hall of Fame...

g0del posted:

Cryptic hasn't announced it yet, but we're getting a new Mudd's bundle soon. Pilot bundle featuring the Deimos, Kweijian, La Sirena, and Undine Cheirax. Nothing like a whole bundle focusing on the worst spec in the game.

Of that "pick 3", I'm pretty sure I'd leave La Sirena grounded. Cheirax isn't the best, but I do like the Undine ships. The Kweijian always gave me Outrider vibes, in a good way, and the Deimos console is the Deimos console.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






I started playing again after six months, and immediately remembered why I quit: because the only things left to do after making every role/faction combo I cared to explore was grind dilithium for gear upgrades, grind faction rep and buy new ships. And there's only one more ship I want, which is stupidly expensive even with one of the 35% sales, so that's like grinding IRL.

However, the novelty of exploding a Borg cube in ten seconds wore off and this is still the only game with capital ship combat of its kind since the Starfleet Command series so I guess I'm back for at least a week or two.

Hunter Noventa
Apr 21, 2010

bij posted:

The Deimos is pretty great and the console is stupid good. They initially used the wrong Synth ship image in the promo material and I have been waiting for this thing to show up ever since.



Oh right, that thing. This is going to sell a billion copies.

Very glad i don't chase meta and can continue saving for the other mudd bundle I want.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
The deimos console is so crazy good that I've used it on every ship since that thing first came out.

Turns even a junk boat into a budget death star. Sort of. So long as you like phasers. Sort of.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Damnit where's the Odyssey and Vesper and Excalibur remasters.

(It's pretty telling on their resources that they have such trouble allocating resources to put completed model replacements in the game)

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

McSpanky posted:

And there's only one more ship I want, which is stupidly expensive even with one of the 35% sales, so that's like grinding IRL.
Which ship, out of curiosity?

MikeJF posted:

Damnit where's the Odyssey and Vesper and Excalibur remasters.

(It's pretty telling on their resources that they have such trouble allocating resources to put completed model replacements in the game)
We're not getting the Odyssey remaster until after it shows up in Picard, they've already announced that. Something about not stealing thunder from the TV show. No idea about the Vesper and Excalibur remasters, though. One's already shown up on consoles, they're clearly ready, Cryptic's just being cryptic as per usual.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




g0del posted:

We're not getting the Odyssey remaster until after it shows up in Picard, they've already announced that. Something about not stealing thunder from the TV show.

That's so dumb.

McSpanky posted:

And there's only one more ship I want, which is stupidly expensive even with one of the 35% sales, so that's like grinding IRL.

Well, there's always the ultra-grind of the Yearly Meta-Event.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

DancingShade posted:

The deimos console is so crazy good that I've used it on every ship since that thing first came out.

Turns even a junk boat into a budget death star. Sort of. So long as you like phasers. Sort of.

Remind me what that one does?

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Cyrano4747 posted:

Remind me what that one does?

5 charges of a massive phaser lance, plus phaser damage, universal console on any ship.

https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Ability:_Immolating_Phaser_Lance

g0del
Jan 9, 2001



Fun Shoe

DancingShade posted:

5 charges of a massive phaser lance, plus phaser damage, universal console on any ship.

https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Ability:_Immolating_Phaser_Lance
It's a powerful console by itself, and synergizes well with Universal Designs, basically giving you full stacks right away and keeping them up throughout combat.

MisterOblivious
Mar 17, 2010

by sebmojo

Charity Porno posted:

It's nice the last meta event and the Halloween one both had poo poo I don't care about as rewards so I can continue tuning out.

Ya know how part of the FOMO for these events is finding out afterwards that the reward is actually more useful than it seemed, but there's no way for you to ever earn it again?

Ya know how one of the worst parts about ground is walking everywhere? And running Frosted Boots, maybe a [Run] offhand secondary weapon, and putting endeavor points into sprint speed is a QoL improvement for ground missions?


Turns out Cat-Mode makes you run fast.

Fake edit: the results below were collected with the fortune cookie 5% run speed tribble active. Ooops.

My stock speed is 13.5 (8% +speed from endeavors)
[Run] weapon 15.6
Frosted Boots 20.65
Run + Frosted 22.6


Cat 23.65
Cat + Run 25.6
Cat + Frosted 30.65
Cat + Frosted + Run 32.6


It really sucks this isn't a device. At the very least it will make maps like Dyson ground and the Nimbus endeavors a bit faster.

McSpanky
Jan 16, 2005






g0del posted:

Which ship, out of curiosity?

The Legendary D7 Intel Battlecruiser, which gives the Kronos One and TOS Romulan D7 skins for 120 bux (e: as part of the Legendary Klingon Defense Force Captain Bundle, it can't be purchased separately).

McSpanky fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Nov 12, 2022

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

You really have to appreciate how STO has managed to create like a half-dozen popular Fed designs, probably a similar number of Romulan ones, and even a few Ferengi, Cardassian, and Dominion ones.

But for the Klingons it's the old D7 and BoP :)

Bar Patron
Jun 12, 2015

MisterOblivious posted:


It really sucks this isn't a device. At the very least it will make maps like Dyson ground and the Nimbus endeavors a bit faster.

Is there any way to get this cat charm thing onto your hotbar?

Lorak
Apr 7, 2009

Well, there goes the Hall of Fame...

Bar Patron posted:

Is there any way to get this cat charm thing onto your hotbar?

Yes.

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Fidel Cuckstro posted:

You really have to appreciate how STO has managed to create like a half-dozen popular Fed designs, probably a similar number of Romulan ones, and even a few Ferengi, Cardassian, and Dominion ones.

But for the Klingons it's the old D7 and BoP :)

What, no love for Battlecruisers like the Negh'Var? That can't be right.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Bloodly posted:

What, no love for Battlecruisers like the Negh'Var? That can't be right.

Still doesn't have a legendary version. :v:

Although I have seen rumors that one's in the works, a pilot juggernaut.

I also like some of the raptor line, but the original basic raptor is a 22nd century design from Enterprise.

Hunter Noventa
Apr 21, 2010

Bloodly posted:

What, no love for Battlecruisers like the Negh'Var? That can't be right.


Cythereal posted:

Still doesn't have a legendary version. :v:

Although I have seen rumors that one's in the works, a pilot juggernaut.

I also like some of the raptor line, but the original basic raptor is a 22nd century design from Enterprise.

Man I wish they'd make a good Negh'Var, but a pilot juggernaut sounds terrible.

Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Bloodly posted:

What, no love for Battlecruisers like the Negh'Var? That can't be right.

I don’t really know that I’ve ever seen someone flying a Negh’var regularly. I’m sure someone is, but it and the raptors and the vor’cha variants tend to rarely pop up in ESD space hangout or ds9 or random tfos.

I guess I’m just saying though that STO really hasn’t added much to the Klingon ship lexicon that’s gotten any traction.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
I'd argue that's more due to klingons not being featured in Picard or LD. The Mogh and Bortesqu classes are both great designs that just haven't had a place to show up in canon

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Yeah, the Bortasqu is a wonderful progression on Klingon design I think would have been loved if the ship weren't so poo poo it was never flown.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
The Mogh is legit my favorite ship design in the entire game. The way it takes cues from other BCs but has the cool armored plates and the weapon hardpoints in the front. And unlike every ship released in the last 6 years, it's not enormous. The size creep in the game is so obnoxious

Error 404
Jul 17, 2009


MAGE CURES PLOT
The one upside (for me) of the size creep is warping into a tfo in my defiant and it actually feeling like my ship is the tiny-rear end defiant.

The game has that ship half the size of a galaxy class ffs, an actual size defiant could almost fit inside the main shuttlebay of a galaxy's saucer.

Yeah yeah, this is a wendy's drivethru.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Error 404 posted:

The one upside (for me) of the size creep is warping into a tfo in my defiant and it actually feeling like my ship is the tiny-rear end defiant.

The game has that ship half the size of a galaxy class ffs, an actual size defiant could almost fit inside the main shuttlebay of a galaxy's saucer.

Yeah yeah, this is a wendy's drivethru.

There was a neat little miniatures game a while back, Star Trek Attack Wing. The Defiant was almost as big as the Enterprise-D, which was definitely a choice. But they made the TOS Enterprise model absolutely tiny, so they were going for scale at one point and then just quit halfway through

Bar Patron
Jun 12, 2015


Fidel Cuckstro
Jul 2, 2007

Charity Porno posted:

I'd argue that's more due to klingons not being featured in Picard or LD. The Mogh and Bortesqu classes are both great designs that just haven't had a place to show up in canon

I mean I like them too (I'm sorta meh on the Mogh but I have other Klingon designs I like a lot), but I just don't really see them really flown in STO all that much. I'm sure an appearance on LD or something would help...maybe everyone needs to start posting about that so the secret Goons that write for those shows will do it :)

Bloodly
Nov 3, 2008

Not as strong as you'd expect.

Error 404 posted:

The game has that ship half the size of a galaxy class ffs, an actual size defiant could almost fit inside the main shuttlebay of a galaxy's saucer.

https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Hangar_-_Callisto_Light_Escorts#Rare

Well, they ARE Hangar Pets these days...

Asimo
Sep 23, 2007


Error 404 posted:

The game has that ship half the size of a galaxy class ffs, an actual size defiant could almost fit inside the main shuttlebay of a galaxy's saucer.
The Defiant is a lot bigger than you'd think considering it looks and flies like a fighter-style boat in the show. It's something like 350 meters with a crew complement of 100+, sure it's a lot smaller than a Galaxy but there's no way it would fit in their Hangar, it's comparable in length to the saucer.

It's still a little too large scale in STO but think of it more like a frigate compared to the cruisers and not like a patrol boat. This makes it even more hilarious when you're zipping around in the pilot warship version.

Error 404
Jul 17, 2009


MAGE CURES PLOT

Asimo posted:

The Defiant is a lot bigger than you'd think considering it looks and flies like a fighter-style boat in the show. It's something like 350 meters with a crew complement of 100+, sure it's a lot smaller than a Galaxy but there's no way it would fit in their Hangar, it's comparable in length to the saucer.

It's still a little too large scale in STO but think of it more like a frigate compared to the cruisers and not like a patrol boat. This makes it even more hilarious when you're zipping around in the pilot warship version.

I am, in fact, zipping around in the pilot warship version. :v:

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




The size of the Defiant is an ongoing clusterfuck, DS9 in particular threw scale to the wind when it came to both the station and the Defiant. The station was literally never depicted remotely as small as it was meant to be next to visiting ships, and Defiant just never had a size or even deck count settled at all.

Defiant tended to be depicted at 120, 135 or 170m, although occasionally there'd be 100m or even sub-100m depictions. (In First Contact when the E swoops past it's about 50m)

Behind the scenes nobody ever agreed. The designer wanted 150m, writers wanted tiny, the CG mesh was technically scaled at 170m, Drexler did the plans and MSD at 128m, some okudagrams indicated 4 decks, some indicated 6. The tech manual said 170 but used Drexler's 128m diagrams.

Ex Astris's over-detailed analysis came down on the most common depiction being about 120m, with 4.5 decks (the bottom one being a bit of a half-deck). Personally I'm inclined to just go with what Drex settled on at 128. I expect STO used the TM 170m figure - that tends to be the most common one you see because it's the tech manual.

Crew compliment was always settled at being ~50, though.

That said, STO has straight up said before that while they try to get most playable ship sizes right, they have to increase the very small ones for playability reasons, and have decreased a few of the really big ones like the Universe for similar reasons.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Nov 15, 2022

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Stolen from Google: at 122m next to Sovvy.

Pioneer42
Jun 8, 2010
Bug hunt is the one where you want a ton of toxic resistance, correct? If that's still the case, what are the top options nowadays?

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Honestly, lvl65 captain with mk XV gear, any gear. On weapon types, take shotgun.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Swarm's not a bad tfo if you prefer space combat. Just remember that it's hur'q so fly something that can deal with the swarmers trying to fly up your rear end.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

is the swarm afk'able? Or first wave afk etc?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
I don't think so, but it's not a long TFO either IIRC.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

MikeJF posted:

The size of the Defiant is an ongoing clusterfuck, DS9 in particular threw scale to the wind when it came to both the station and the Defiant. The station was literally never depicted remotely as small as it was meant to be next to visiting ships, and Defiant just never had a size or even deck count settled at all.

Defiant tended to be depicted at 120, 135 or 170m, although occasionally there'd be 100m or even sub-100m depictions. (In First Contact when the E swoops past it's about 50m)

Behind the scenes nobody ever agreed. The designer wanted 150m, writers wanted tiny, the CG mesh was technically scaled at 170m, Drexler did the plans and MSD at 128m, some okudagrams indicated 4 decks, some indicated 6. The tech manual said 170 but used Drexler's 128m diagrams.

Ex Astris's over-detailed analysis came down on the most common depiction being about 120m, with 4.5 decks (the bottom one being a bit of a half-deck). Personally I'm inclined to just go with what Drex settled on at 128. I expect STO used the TM 170m figure - that tends to be the most common one you see because it's the tech manual.

Crew compliment was always settled at being ~50, though.

That said, STO has straight up said before that while they try to get most playable ship sizes right, they have to increase the very small ones for playability reasons, and have decreased a few of the really big ones like the Universe for similar reasons.

I don't know if anyone here got a Franklin frigate but that thing is tiny as hell. I think it's actually relatively movie accurate.

Pretty sure its smaller than a defiant but I didn't park mine next to one to check.

(again scale is one of those "but playability" things)

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Error 404
Jul 17, 2009


MAGE CURES PLOT
Ngl, I get the playability caveat, but I'll just say that if ship scales were such that every tfo I took my defiant or whatever tiny ship into had me dodging around allies and enemies like the first space battle of revenge of the sith. That would be a loving selling point lmao.

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