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paddyboat posted:They did? fully expect to see tommy robinson and the like repost this as "ACTUAL FOOTAGE OF BRITAIN, 2028"
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 05:22 |
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If these are the fans, all that lovely fan accommodation makes total sense. Why build actual accommodation for your underclass of workers dressing up as international fans?
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 08:48 |
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Off to a good start https://twitter.com/RasmusTantholdt/status/1592636983251464193?t=5UaR5o8e78DO4RbtJpG9-g&s=19
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 08:53 |
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Came here to post that as well. US journalist Grant Wahl also got a talking to for taking a photo of the World Cup slogan painted on a wall in the media center, this week is going to go swimmingly once more of the countries and presenters get on the ground.
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 08:59 |
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Yeah I'm a big fan of him going "you've invited the whole world here" because lol it's going to be a train wreck
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 09:15 |
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 11:06 |
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Chatting to a guy at work today who's from Kerala and says it's absolutely true that they have big groups of football mad fans who pick an international team to follow and even have fights during major tournaments. Doesn't explain the identical shirts though.
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 11:37 |
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are weird bhangra beats for every country going to be the vuvuzela of 2022?
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 11:50 |
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Jose posted:Off to a good start Please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly are the Qatari government/royalty trying to do here. Because with other "sportswashing" type poo poo, they are exercises in PR. You put on the happy face. You lie about how "progressive" and international you are. You gladhand, bribe, and soft cushion all the foreign journalists/visitors so that you put forward to image you want. You don't manhandle and threaten international journalists on live TV, and threaten to smash the camera. Because this does not make Qatar look like the open accessible friendly country that they want it to look like. Are the Qatari authorities that incompetent they can't even put on a smiley facade for the couple of weeks that the world gives a poo poo about Qatar?
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 11:53 |
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They are so rich they don’t have to care
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 12:18 |
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BrigadierSensible posted:Please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly are the Qatari government/royalty trying to do here. I'm hoping for something on the level of when the morning news show in Australia did a live cross to the DC George Floyd protest just as the police started shooting rubber bullets and pepper spray and you got a great fpv shot of the cameraman being hit with a batton by the filth while the female presenter just started breaking down.
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 12:26 |
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Qatari authorities bad but it would be funny if gary lineker got fined and deported for doing a mean tweet
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 12:56 |
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Eau de MacGowan posted:fully expect to see tommy robinson and the like repost this as "ACTUAL FOOTAGE OF BRITAIN, 2028" There's a name I haven't heard in a while. the sex ghost posted:Qatari authorities bad but it would be funny if gary lineker got fined and deported for doing a mean tweet In Qatar for legal reasons he has to be known simply as "r".
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 13:23 |
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BrigadierSensible posted:Please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly are the Qatari government/royalty trying to do here. Top management can say one thing, but the people on the ground apparently haven’t changed how they operate normally. I’m guessing that gets changed right quick, but we’ll see. I also don’t think they’d have to astroturf with fans from South Asia, there are plenty who have adopted teams (including national teams) same as the famed plastic American fan has, and that Gulf region isn’t very far from the subcontinent. It’s where a lot of people go to work even in non-slavery level construction jobs, if my experience in Dubai is any indication.
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harperdc posted:Top management can say one thing, but the people on the ground apparently haven’t changed how they operate normally. I’m guessing that gets changed right quick, but we’ll see. This is my impression as well. Stuff like this tweet: indicates that the top brass want to put on a smiling face to the world, even if "Spectators taking clothes off to reveal intimate body parts may be asked to put the clothing back on" is a crime against English culture. But there's only so much you can do to change low-level routines overnight. If the policemen and security guards and other low-level authorities are used to smashing journalists' cameras and arresting people and have spent the last twelve years being trained how to effectively cover up all the crimes being committed in Qatar, there are guaranteed to be some of them who don't get the memo from the top that now they're supposed to be nice and welcoming.
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Chatting to a guy at work today who's from Kerala and says it's absolutely true that they have big groups of football mad fans who pick an international team to follow and even have fights during major tournaments. Doesn't explain the identical shirts though. I don't doubt for a second that a lot of the SEA fans are legit ones, but Qatar shooting itself in the foot by doing that extremely weird "the fans are here" parade with a lot of immigrant workers basically just primed a western audience to discount the entire thing and say they're all fakes and (un)paid labour.
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 14:56 |
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Potemkin Copa Mundial? International Gulag Cup? What a piece of poo poo farce that I will still watch goddamit.
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 15:59 |
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This is weird stuff
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 16:08 |
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psyer posted:https://twitter.com/seaningle/status/1592573669691518979 Saw this thread in one of the replies, https://twitter.com/marcowenjones/status/1581212669637369858 some stats buff uni prof saying the 6500 number is bunk? Any idea on if this is just sponsored interference or just someone going off because it's a topic close to their area of specialty?
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 16:10 |
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It's a good headline, but (thanks, Wikipedia!) in 2017 Qatar's population was 2.6million, with only 300,000 Qataris. The rest are ex-pats, and the biggest group of that number is south Asians - people from India, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka. That's 2.3 million people working in Qatar as economic migrants. And I was one of them for twenty years. The UK overall death rate is nearly 1% p.a, so 9.something deaths per 1000 people per year. There will be a lot of expats dying in Qatar. I was a teacher there for two decades and my school lost three teachers. That's not down to the world cup. Yes, the working conditions for most expats are terrible, yes they're badly paid and treated as disposable. But it would be weird if there weren't any ex-pat deaths. (Edit - I know that the ex-pat communities in Qatar don't map one to one with the populations at home - they're overwhelmingly male, for example) but you see what I mean.)
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KazigluBey posted:Saw this thread in one of the replies, https://twitter.com/marcowenjones/status/1581212669637369858 some stats buff uni prof saying the 6500 number is bunk? Any idea on if this is just sponsored interference or just someone going off because it's a topic close to their area of specialty? It's bullshit for a few reasons. 1) that guy accurately points out that the Guardian article about 6,500 migrant workers dying in Qatar never claims they all died specifically on World Cup construction sites, as if that somehow matters, but then blames the Guardian for other people making that claim. 2) he acts as if migrant workers just drop dead constantly and really we shouldn't be bothered by that while also implying that the real death figure related to the World Cup is a tiny fraction of that, by comparing it to if a news organization published an article "100k dead as Covid rampages through UK" but only 0.1% of the deaths were from Covid (nice minimization of Covid death rates thrown in there too, btw) 3) the point, so far as I understand it, has never been to claim that every single migrant worker death or every single exploited migrant worker is working on World Cup stadiums. The point is that Qatar is a brutally exploitative place for migrant workers where thousands of them die due to some combination of bad working conditions, bad living conditions, harsh environmental conditions in the desert, and so on. That tweet thread implies that if a 27-year-old dies in their sleep after spending a year working 14-hour days in the desert, that doesn't count as a work-related death just because they didn't die falling off a crane. 4) he never mentions the fact that the Guardian investigation repeatedly says "this is likely to be an underestimate because Qatar tries their best to cover up deaths", instead treating it as if 6500 deaths over a decade is the maximum number, probably overstated anyway, and no big deal because migrant workers die over the course of a decade and that's just a fact of life. 5) that guy is a prof at Hamad Bin Khalifa University in Qatar, so he directly benefits from sportswashing the country that employs him. Either he's a piece of poo poo who's intentionally misleading people, or he's so far up his own rear end about how the country that treats him well as a white well-educated foreigner must also treat other people well that he's managed to tie himself in knots to convince himself nothing is wrong, but either way his analysis is dogshit.
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Teach posted:It's a good headline, but (thanks, Wikipedia!) in 2017 Qatar's population was 2.6million, with only 300,000 Qataris. The rest are ex-pats, and the biggest group of that number is south Asians - people from India, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka. The UK death rate may be nearly 1% p.a., but if you account for the demographic that makes up migrant labourers (say, men in their 20s and 30s) it would be much, much lower. You can't generalize from death rates including 80-year-olds dying of cancer to say that 20-year-olds dropping dead after 14-hour days on desert construction sites is normal.
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vyelkin posted:The UK death rate may be nearly 1% p.a., but if you account for the demographic that makes up migrant labourers (say, men in their 20s and 30s) it would be much, much lower. You can't generalize from death rates including 80-year-olds dying of cancer to say that 20-year-olds dropping dead after 14-hour days on desert construction sites is normal. Sure, but then be fair - what's the UK annual death rate for construction workers? (I don't know. This might reflect worse on Qatar.) Many of them are from the poorest parts of their home countries. They would have better health care in Qatar, many of them, than at home. Just in the interests of balance. I think it's a mistake that Qatar has got the world cup.
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 16:36 |
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From the HSE: The number of injuries in Construction in 2021/22 was 30, a decrease of 10 from the previous year total (40). The five-year average for fatal injuries in this sector is 36. roughly 2.1-2.2 million people working in construction in 2020. i guess that's workplace accidents, not deaths of anyone employed ilmucche fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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KazigluBey posted:Saw this thread in one of the replies, https://twitter.com/marcowenjones/status/1581212669637369858 some stats buff uni prof saying the 6500 number is bunk? Any idea on if this is just sponsored interference or just someone going off because it's a topic close to their area of specialty? I don't think the amending of the article's headline from '6,500 migrant workers have died in Qatar as it gears up for World Cup' to '6,500 migrant workers have died in Qatar since World Cup awarded' is the huge gotcha that he's acting like it is. He does make a valid point about how one article can propagate hundreds of spin-off articles which all then contribute to the supposed veracity of whatever it is, when in reality they're all based on a single news story and are totally dependent on how accurate the original reporting was. He then goes on to attack some of those false interpretations, which I can't see is anything to do with the Guardian or the original story. In replies to his thread, he readily accepts the stated positions of the embassies of the origin countries of those migrant workers in Qatar, which have been to downplay the number of deaths and to categorise deaths (like Rupchandra's from Squires' comic) as 'of natural causes' if they for example died of a heart attack in their lodgings rather than falling off scaffolding or whatever. This seems very slippery. Also it seems to me if he gave a poo poo about disproving the actual point of the original story he would go to any length to explain why 6,500 deaths of migrant workers from any cause over the years since the cup was awarded is fine, actually, but he doesn't. Finally, he works as an associate professor at a Qatari research university. If you read his twitter feed it's full of what seem, to Western Liberal eyes and ears, well-reasoned and clearly stated arguments, except they all seem to be questioning the negative narratives about Qatar, while doing so in a way that seems designed to get under the skin of the likely audience - taking about white saviourism in the LGBT narrative, etc. I think he probably has a vested interest in challenging the western narrative about Qatar even if he raises a few valid points while doing so.
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Thanks for the replies, that thread looked good but it helps to run it past people who are more plugged in. Completely missed he was a Uni prof over there.
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Teach posted:Sure, but then be fair - what's the UK annual death rate for construction workers? (I don't know. This might reflect worse on Qatar.) In addition to the numbers ilmucche posted, DW and Le Monde have recent articles not making that exact comparison, but addressing claims like these, and they tend to find that the Qatari authorities are significantly overstating how natural or proportional the number of migrant worker deaths are. quote:Fact check: How many people died for the Qatar World Cup? quote:World Cup 2022: The difficulty with estimating the number of deaths on Qatar construction sites Nobody disputes that the high-end numbers aren't literally 100% workers who died at a stadium construction site, but widespread reporting, NGO investigation, and academic study of the issues keeps on finding that a disproportionate amount of migrant workers are dying, and that even the high numbers might be underestimates because they don't include groups like Nepali workers who returned home and shortly thereafter died of kidney failure almost certainly related to their arduous work in the desert. I'm sorry but I really don't think your experience as a foreign teacher is comparable, nor do I think it's fair to assume the workers were already unhealthy (due to being poor) and would get better healthcare in Qatar than they would in their home countries, when these people dying in disproportionately high numbers were selected because of their health and fitness to ensure they would be efficient workers. vyelkin fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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vyelkin posted:In addition to the numbers ilmucche posted, DW and Le Monde have recent articles not making that exact comparison, but addressing claims like these, and they tend to find that the Qatari authorities are significantly overstating how natural or proportional the number of migrant worker deaths are. Lot of info there - will give it a proper read later, thank you. Didn't mean to compare my experience with other less fortunate migrant workers.
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Love to have the WC in a country where it must be explicitly stated that pregnant women can receive medical care, or any woman can report sexual assault, and be free of accusations from law enforcement
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fast cars loose anus posted:Love to have the WC in a country where it must be explicitly stated that pregnant women can receive medical care, or any woman can report sexual assault, and be free of accusations from law enforcement
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CapnAndy posted:Buddy, I got some bad news for you about the 2026 WC in that case. Yeah fa real
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# ? Nov 16, 2022 21:32 |
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Can someone gas that stupid MLS thread I keep nearly clicking on trying to read world cup threads
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# ? Nov 17, 2022 00:12 |
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Jiro posted:God it's going to be the Sochi Winter Olympics all over again isn't it? Just sad devoid poo poo show, with a thin curtain trying to hide the horror. oh no it's going to be much worse than sochi
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Jose posted:Can someone gas that stupid MLS thread I keep nearly clicking on trying to read world cup threads sorry, MLS may be wrong and an abomination but it's not illegal
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# ? Nov 17, 2022 00:56 |
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I think this stuff is here so the Qataris can have it documented that they are officially going to "play nice". So that when the first woman raped at this WC gets accused of adultery/perversion/whatever bullshit crime they accuse her of, the authorities can say: "No no no, we aren't just accusing her because she reported her rape. We have very explicit guidelines that say we don't do that, (during the WC). S the reason we are accusing her of being an adulterer, pervert and criminal is definitely because she is a criminal pervert adulterer." also "We didn't beat and deport that guy for waving the pride flag. We have documented proof that says we don't do that. We beat and deported him for ... other reasons. Real actual reasons." etc.
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BrigadierSensible posted:I think this stuff is here so the Qataris can have it documented that they are officially going to "play nice". To be honest, I don't think this is the case. FIFA basically take over the country for the duration of the tournament so this looks like they're just going to let a lot of things slide for foreigners to paint a better picture of things (just like the 1936 Olympics). There are safety concerns (and scare stories) before every World Cup that isn't held in a Western European country, but they usually turn out ok. Remember how everyone was going to get robbed in 2010 and 2014? Or how gangs of hooligans were going to run riot in 2018? Now, what happens to locals or once the TV cameras have left is another story, of course.
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A Danish TV crew already had their kit smashed so it's not like we're just re-telling ghost stories that never happen
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NinpoEspiritoSanto posted:A Danish TV crew already had their kit smashed so it's not like we're just re-telling ghost stories that never happen Nothing was smashed in that incident, as far as I know. They were just interrupted and the speed with which the apology came makes me think those guys weren't following the guidelines. This sounds like I'm defending Qatar and I'm not, at all. I just don't think they'll be arresting people for having a few too many or bringing rainbow flags to a game. Once the tournament is over, then they'll deal with locals who act/speak out once most people have stopped giving a poo poo.
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Mickolution posted:Nothing was smashed in that incident, as far as I know. They were just interrupted and the speed with which the apology came makes me think those guys weren't following the guidelines. This sounds like I'm defending Qatar and I'm not, at all. I just don't think they'll be arresting people for having a few too many or bringing rainbow flags to a game. Once the tournament is over, then they'll deal with locals who act/speak out once most people have stopped giving a poo poo. I think that's probably the guidance from on high. Grit your teeth and let them do as they want then deal with whoever's left at the end. I suspect a lot of individuals aren't going to get the message though and a lot of people are going to end up in the sober zone
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