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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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the US encouraging economic autoEurocide wasn’t enough now Europe’s bombing itself.. Based Asia would never
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Nov 16, 2022 14:50
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Biden has extended an olive branch to Russia. lol biden rules
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Nov 16, 2022 15:01
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champ is Ukrainian, chomp is Russian
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Nov 16, 2022 15:18
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chiyampyiying at the byit
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Nov 16, 2022 15:22
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Pretzel Rod Stewart posted:chiyampyiying at the byit it's just byit, not the byit
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Nov 16, 2022 15:22
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Ardennes posted:Russia's leverage at the moment is missile/drone strikes so it seems straight forward. God, I know eve online has warped my brain when I read sentences like this
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Nov 16, 2022 15:24
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euphronius posted:champ is Ukrainian, chomp is Russian
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Nov 16, 2022 15:25
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Machomp is Albanian
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Nov 16, 2022 15:26
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chomping at the blyat
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Nov 16, 2022 15:27
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Still a mystery. https://www.wired.com/story/nord-stream-pipeline-explosion-dark-ships/
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Nov 16, 2022 15:28
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Does the US worry about Patriot or I-Hawk, or whatever getting mapped by Russian EW? As much as they have been using this conflict as a test of Rivet Joint, testing the effectiveness of HARM and the various ECM, Home-on-Jam systems, Russian engagement methods and surveillance and engagement radars, I would expect some measure of hesitancy about providing truly effective SAMs to Ukraine, diplomatic considerations aside. On my side of the house, Ukraine received mostly counter mortar radars and the older counter battery sets. Even then, compared to the amount of guns provided to them, the amount of Artillery Surveillance (EO) gear, other STA equipment, communications etc. and particularly the amount of radars has been small. That strikes me as a reasonable policy as the M777 being captured or analyzed does not endanger our operations to the degree that these would. Finally, where you can swap out D-30s for M777s in a battery, while still being less effective and having what I would consider limitations on employment, the Ukrainians are mostly using roving guns or firing by section anyways, so I don't think anyone is too bothered. The guns are the striking arm of the battery, replacing elements of the Command Post, Recce, FOO, and the Battlefield Command Systems would pose a bigger problem. Plugging information from a Tall Mike radar into one of our CPs is not a simple task. A SAM battery is similar. People think of the launchers and more specifically missiles, but it's the surveillance radars, engagement radars and command post that matter. Providing Ukraine with new SAMs means training them in completely new methods of operation, as SAMs engage in ways specific to the capabilities of the weapon and radars, and would require providing them with full equipment sets. That's not just a risk of revealing the workings of the system to a possible adversary, it's costly and would have a significant retraining time. That's if the hope is they use them optimally, which as I said with the guns, they're not doing, so I wouldn't rule it out or anything. My own experience with this is limited to ADATS, the Oerlikon and Javelin (the SAM, not ATGM), and that's what our institutional experience and training materials are configured for. It would not be a quick conversion to swap in say the ZU-23-2, Igla/Verba, and there's no equivalent to ADATS. It would be doable, the Soviet guns have an equivalent to the Skyguard FC radar, though I don't know anything about their operation, anyone can learn how to use a MANPAD, but a conversion from ADATS to, I don't know, Tunguska, that's a doctrinal problem. Operating as an integrated system, that's a problem too. I don't know, I realize the goal here is just to keep them in the field and keep the whole thing going, but allowing the Russians to get a really good look at NATO air defence systems would, in my opinion, not be worth the Ukrainians using them in a slapdash fashion. Not that NASAMS is a Monkey Model, but it may be the more acceptable one to risk here rather than the heavy hitters. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 15:36 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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Nov 16, 2022 15:33
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V. Illych L. posted:in the case of sergei karjakin this is actually kind of true I wonder how Tigran Petrosian would have felt about current events
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Nov 16, 2022 15:37
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Frosted Flake posted:Does the US worry about Patriot or I-Hawk, or whatever getting mapped by Russian EW? As much as they have been using this conflict as a test of Rivet Joint, testing the effectiveness of HARM and the various ECM, Home-on-Jam systems, Russian engagement methods and surveillance and engagement radars, I would expect some measure of hesitancy about providing truly effective SAMs to Ukraine, diplomatic considerations aside. HAWK is officially old and Patriot has done deployments to places like Turkey while Russia was assisting the Syrian government with their civil war or northern Iraq while Russia was doing counter-ISIS. Patriot also operates in Poland and Slovakia right now. I think the bigger issue with Patriot in Ukraine is likely cost, availability, time to train forces, sustainment, and security of Ukraine’s cyber infrastructure.
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Nov 16, 2022 15:42
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speng31b posted:it's just byit, not the byit lol
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Nov 16, 2022 15:50
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Yeah, I don't think they are worried about the Hawk (they are just clearing out old inventory), but the Patriot itself is more debatable since the Russians can experiment with both Russian and Iranian missiles to see what works (obviously this has also occured in Yemen/Saudi Arabia). I would say the issue is also a certain amount of cost control and there perhaps some worries about pushing too much equipment, too far forward when the war is undecided. The Russians have been hitting infrastructure, but they have clearly (to the ire of Telegram war watchers) have still been pulling punches on some of their targets and could be hitting more critical power systems/plants to a greater extent they are now. The Russians are still "sending messages" and hoping the Americans pick up. It is very likely there will be another phase when the war intensifies to an even greater extent and I think the AD situation will evolve.
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Nov 16, 2022 15:52
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Ardennes posted:The Russians have been hitting infrastructure, but they have clearly (to the ire of Telegram war watchers) have still been pulling punches on some of their targets and could be hitting more critical power systems/plants to a greater extent they are now. lost in all the Poland missile news, Zelenskyy claimed yesterday that 10million were without power, but most of them were back with power today. Seems normal
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Nov 16, 2022 15:57
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speng31b posted:lost in all the Poland missile news, Zelenskyy claimed yesterday that 10million were without power, but most of them were back with power today. Seems normal Yeah, the Russians are hitting targets in a way to cause most outages but are not trying to collapse the entire grid. (Btw, I do very much think they could strike the remaining plants if they choose to do so. Many of the targets they are hitting are very much in similar range to the plants themsleves) Obviously, this isn't moving the needle much in terms of the balance of power. (Btw, there is a case to be made that simply dragging this all out is not to the benefit of really anyone either, except I don't know, China.) Ardennes has issued a correction as of 16:02 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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Nov 16, 2022 16:00
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Frosted Flake posted:Why are you surprised at all? Canada delenda est tbh.
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Nov 16, 2022 16:05
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Biden has extended an olive branch to Russia. Def need an edit of this that cuts to Putin blushin' and flexin'
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Nov 16, 2022 16:18
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Donrf posted:Soon. South. Everyone will see everything. Some will hear. It's not Svatovo afterall. Donrf posted:My question LNR or Zaporizhzhia now takes on a second meaning - where exactly is the main strike and where is the supporting one. And the main one seems to be south afterall. A bit cryptic, but I guess someone on the Russian side expects Ukraine to keep pushing.
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Nov 16, 2022 16:22
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polish grain silo, go gently caress yourself
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Nov 16, 2022 16:28
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Lostconfused posted:(from t.me/donrf22/9270, via tgsa) wow what a shock! let’s see if the Russians successfully withdraw even further.
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Nov 16, 2022 16:43
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It was me I fired the missile at hte grain silo  and I'm gonna do it again too
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Nov 16, 2022 17:05
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Nov 16, 2022 17:09
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i thought silos LAUNCHED missiles
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Nov 16, 2022 17:12
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Calibanibal posted:i thought silos LAUNCHED missiles a grain silo launches grain, dummy
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Nov 16, 2022 17:13
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Nov 16, 2022 17:20
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We're just breaking down and destroying silos to increase network synergy
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Nov 16, 2022 17:28
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https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/riksdagen-beslutar-om-grundlagsandring-spionerilagen-blir-tryckfrihetsbrott swedish gov making it illegal to blow the whistle by exposing secret information that might damage swedish international relations sweden did nordstream, the truss-blinken text was just her relaying it, sweden did the act
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Nov 16, 2022 17:32
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Nov 16, 2022 17:36
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Time to invoke article 5 on Sweden
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Nov 16, 2022 17:36
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yeah lol if you publish something like the collateral murder video online or make comments about how erdogan maybe shouldn’t genocide the kurds you can get imprisoned for espionage, insanely cool and good man we’re lucky to live in an actual factual democracy and not some arbitrary authoritarian hellhole
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Nov 16, 2022 17:42
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500 good dogs posted:a grain silo launches grain, dummy *Ben Carson voice* Joseph built 'em in Egypt...called 'em "pyramids"... *snooooooore*
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Nov 16, 2022 17:44
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Ukraine winning the second Battle of Shiloh
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Nov 16, 2022 17:45
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lol at how stuff from yesterday has aged. The spin on the Poland missile still being Russias fault owns.
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Nov 16, 2022 17:50
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Majorian posted:*Ben Carson voice* Joseph built 'em in Egypt...called 'em "pyramids"... Is that someone being smart in an other field and thinking they’re too smart for Egyptology, or someone who is mostly stupid except for one other field?
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Nov 16, 2022 17:50
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Homeless Friend posted:lol at how stuff from yesterday has aged. yeah everyone memory holed that faster than I've ever seen
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Nov 16, 2022 17:53
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Frosted Flake posted:Is that someone being smart in an other field and thinking they’re too smart for Egyptology, or someone who is mostly stupid except for one other field? its a brain surgeon playing too much civilization 2
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Nov 16, 2022 17:54
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speng31b posted:yeah everyone memory holed that faster than I've ever seen making donald trump jr look like the voice of reason. just incredible https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1592692688578834437
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Nov 16, 2022 17:55
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Grapplejack posted:Time to invoke article 5 on Sweden
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