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Delsaber posted:I think wheeled chairs might go all the way back to the Excelsior bridge, at least That's a really long way to roll, drat
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Humans conquered racism I think we can assume these are all magical chairs
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Timby posted:The first wheeled chairs were seen on the Excelsior bridge (which was a re-dress of the -A bridge) in The Undiscovered Country. This is the kind of poo poo I never notice then feel dumb when people point out. I should have been laughing and making fun of this like everyone else.
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Nov 14, 2022 15:40
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That dude's foot is almost hanging off the edge. What a poo poo workstation
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Timby posted:The first wheeled chairs were seen on the Excelsior bridge (which was a re-dress of the -A bridge) in The Undiscovered Country. The Conn and Ops consoles look way too low for those chairs. I assume they borrowed them from the TNG bridge (or battle bridge?) and are made for the lower, almost laying down, chairs.
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Nov 14, 2022 15:48
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I think that is the battle bridge set. Unless that was still being used for the Ent-A.
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The Starbase 80 shirt is such a horrendous shade of mustard yellow and I love it.
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The_Doctor posted:The Conn and Ops consoles look way too low for those chairs. I assume they borrowed them from the TNG bridge (or battle bridge?) and are made for the lower, almost laying down, chairs. That might be Voyager's fault; Timby posted a screencap from the Voyager episode where Tuvok (and Janeway, thanks to a mindmeld) flashes back to his days on the Excelsior. Here's a couple of screencaps from TUC. The helm and nav folks* don't look like they're hunched over their consoles here (although it could be partly the camera angle?)  And here we can see that in TUC they bothered to at least put round bases over the chairs so they don't look quite as much like someone snagged some office chairs from Office Depot (although there is still that scene where one of the back-bench chairs goes rolling across the floor)  *screw you this is the 23rd century, none of your "conn" and "ops" positions here!
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Discovery is intensely liberal. It's extremely violent, it sometimes celebrates that violence, but then they do token poo poo like have Stacey Abrams as Earth president and namedrop Elon Musk.
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Charity Porno posted:Discovery is intensely liberal. It's extremely violent, it sometimes celebrates that violence, but then they do token poo poo like have Stacey Abrams as Earth president and namedrop Elon Musk. 
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Nov 16, 2022 20:19
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One cool and good thing Discovery did: make me get into how loving cool mushrooms are. With the exception of the magic mushroom highway and related shenanigans, most of the science is... plausible and interesting to read about. Time crystals are real, and they really are non-entropic because they vibrate in time and not space. You even have a slight chance to make your own using a grow your own crystal kit. All of Stamets symptoms that are not time and space related do line up with the damage done to his brain. They totally hosed up on is a) saying that Earth tardigardes have horizonal gene transfers and b) micro-patterns in the pre-temporal cortex have to do with decsion making and not anything sinster. And the Elon Musk stanning. That was a mistake.
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Nov 16, 2022 21:03
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Twincityhacker posted:One cool and good thing Discovery did: make me get into how loving cool mushrooms are. lay off the mushrooms
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To Disco’s credit ( ), the Musk name drop was cringey in 2017 but nowhere near as bad as it is now in 2022. He’s always been a piece of poo poo, but in 2017 most people knew his name just in relation to space poo poo unless they were extremely online. If you’re a lazy writer in 2017 he’d have absolutely been your go-to for “modern space-related innovator with general audience name recognition”.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:To Disco’s credit ( My point was mainly he used to be a liberal darling and it shows in 2017's writing the same way Stacey Abrams' casting did this year.
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Charity Porno posted:My point was mainly he used to be a liberal darling and it shows in 2017's writing the same way Stacey Abrams' casting did this year. Oh, for sure. There should be a moratorium in Trek shows for ever namedropping a still-living person or stunt-casting a non-actor for that exact reason.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:To Disco’s credit ( Wasn't there even a story that it wasn't written line, Jason Isaacs ad libbed Musk to the list of flight pioneers and inventors thinking that he might score a free Tesla out of it? ^^^^ So why exactly do you hate Stephen Hawking? 
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Charity Porno posted:lay off the mushrooms No, it's my mushroom farm and I can grow as many oyster mushrooms as I want! = P As for the Hawking thing - I'm not sure it it was said on the show or it beta canon, but what killed everyone on the Glenn was exiting the Network though a Hawking radiation field, so *technically* they already name dropped him?
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Twincityhacker posted:No, it's my mushroom farm and I can grow as many oyster mushrooms as I want! = P I think they are referring to Hawking on TNG, wheree he played poker in a holodeck program with data and other physicists
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Hawking was a little different because a) he was an actual physicist and not just a personality, b) he’d been in the public eye for 20ish years and the late 80s/early 90s was the peak of his exposure as a public figure, and c) as mentioned above, they’d already namedropped his physics work on the show prior. It’s like the difference between mentioning Richard Feynman on your show in 1995 and casting Neill DeGrasse Tyson in a cameo in 2015.
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Ah, okay. With the exception of seeing the TOS movies and the first AOS movie, I've not really watched Star Trek until Discovery. I know all the series are, by and large, *good* but it's a lot and I just find video entertainment diffcult to get into. I only got into Discovery because my girlfrend put it on and I started watching while doing other things.
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Charity Porno posted:I think they are referring to Hawking on TNG, wheree he played poker in a holodeck program with data and other physicists Yeah, the only person so far to appear in Star Trek credits "as himself", even. And I BTW agree on the general principle, do not reference current events, people, music, trends, or use the current fashion if don't want your show to age like milk.
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Twincityhacker posted:No, it's my mushroom farm and I can grow as many oyster mushrooms as I want! = P
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But think of the amazing scenes we could have had if the executive on Enterprise got his way and we had a popular band from the year 2000!!! playing in the mess hall every week.
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Burning_Monk posted:But think of the amazing scenes we could have had if the executive on Enterprise got his way and we had a popular band from the year 2000!!! playing in the mess hall every week. I can just imagine a burnt-out, sleep deprived Braga staring into the middle distance during that networking meeting, regretting every decision he’d ever made to get there.
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HD DAD posted:I can just imagine a burnt-out, sleep deprived Braga staring into the middle distance during that networking meeting, regretting every decision he’d ever made to get there.
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Charity Porno posted:My point was mainly he used to be a liberal darling and it shows in 2017's writing the same way Stacey Abrams' casting did this year. Was he though or is this one of this, ascribe things to people I don't like?
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Mooseontheloose posted:Was he though or is this one of this, ascribe things to people I don't like? He was absolutely a liberal darling, Tesla was seen as a world-saving technology and traditionally liberal outlets like fuckin Sundance channel were giving him TV specials alongside people like Desmond Tutu
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Charity Porno posted:Discovery is intensely liberal. It's extremely violent, it sometimes celebrates that violence, but then they do token poo poo like have Stacey Abrams as Earth president and namedrop Elon Musk. I’d rather have communist Star Trek that’s why neolib discovery doesn’t do it for me (same with Picard)
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:I’d rather have communist Star Trek that’s why neolib discovery doesn’t do it for me (same with Picard) Strange New Worlds is the only live action new Trek I like
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The most neoliberal thing in Discovery is without doubt the ending of season 1, where Starfleet’s grand strategy to end the war is to give one Klingon ideologue/warlord a planet cracking nuke and put her in charge of Kronos so she can threaten to blow up the entire planet if they get out of line, and then Burnham gives a speech about how important it is to follow your principles and not compromise for the sake of expediency and they all get medals.
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skasion posted:The most neoliberal thing in Discovery is without doubt the ending of season 1, where Starfleet’s grand strategy to end the war is to give one Klingon ideologue/warlord a planet cracking nuke and put her in charge of Kronos so she can threaten to blow up the entire planet if they get out of line, and then Burnham gives a speech about how important it is to follow your principles and not compromise for the sake of expediency and they all get medals. aside from how it's morally wrong, as far as self-interest, that strategy could really only last until the Klingon warlord dies and multiple successors fight over the bomb, one of whom might even decide to skip the declaration of war, engage the cloaking device, and start with using that same planet-cracking nuke to blow up Earth
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skasion posted:The most neoliberal thing in Discovery is without doubt the ending of season 1, where Starfleet’s grand strategy to end the war is to give one Klingon ideologue/warlord a planet cracking nuke and put her in charge of Kronos so she can threaten to blow up the entire planet if they get out of line, and then Burnham gives a speech about how important it is to follow your principles and not compromise for the sake of expediency and they all get medals. That was Plan B - Star Fleet's orginal plan was just to blow up the planet, but the crew of Discovery took the detonator from Georgiou and instead of using it gave it to L'rell. So, I mean, they did hew closer to Star Fleet ideals of "not commiting genocide" by fobbing off the choice to the Klingons? IDK, the ending didn't make sense much to me either. I am also irritated that they had the tension of "what would Star Fleet do if they found out about the genetic manipulation" and just... never followed up on that. The closest they get to it was saying that the spore drive was decommisoned - and then started using it again because of "extraordinary circumstances" of the seven signals which implies that it was just a cover-up and that Star Fleet would just keep finding reasons not to actually decomisson the drive. Maybe Stamet's punishment was being forever at Star Fleets mercy?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:To Disco’s credit ( He was on the Big Bang Theory in 2015. He ate pie out a trashcan at a soup kitchen.
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:He was on the Big Bang Theory in 2015. He ate pie out a trashcan at a soup kitchen. Musk always reminds of of the guy from The Big Bang Theory who talks like Elmer Fudd, so I constantly expect him to say every word like starts with a W wike diss.
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Der Kyhe posted:And I BTW agree on the general principle, do not reference current events, people, music, trends, or use the current fashion if don't want your show to age like milk. Leonard Nimoy's stone-cold "there is an old Vulcan proverb: only Nixon could go to China" still loving rules though.
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tracecomplete posted:Leonard Nimoy's stone-cold "there is an old Vulcan proverb: only Nixon could go to China" still loving rules though. But even that was a hair shy of 20 years after Nixon went to China, real world time. The clay had sufficiently dried on that metaphor for it to stand on its own.
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nine-gear crow posted:But even that was a hair shy of 20 years after Nixon went to China, real world time. The clay had sufficiently dried on that metaphor for it to stand on its own. SNW Spock turns and looks directly into the camera. “9/11”
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HD DAD posted:SNW Spock turns and looks directly into the camera. The ancient Vulcan saying, 'Fool me can't get fooled again.'
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HD DAD posted:SNW Spock turns and looks directly into the camera. TheDeadlyShoe posted:The ancient Vulcan saying, 'Fool me can't get fooled again.' Ya'll motherfuckers act like Enterprise didn't literally have footage of 9/11 on screen as part of its montage of "Hooray, the proper timeline is being restored!  " at the end of the Temporal Cold War  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzlRwW1IA9c
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:The ancient Vulcan saying, 'Fool me can't get fooled again.' It sounds better in the original Klingon
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