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njsykora posted:Gamers Nexus melt Nvidia 12-pin connectors, including the one Igor said was the best. Short version, it happens when it's not inserted properly, but that can come from a lot of things including a badly made cable that doesn't make a proper connection despite being inserted "correctly". He specifically said there is no perfect connector, it can happen with any 12VHPWR connector and stressing about it can make it worse since you're increasing the risk of debris getting into the connector and increasing the chances of it happening.  ? Right after allAlso, the 12-pin insertion cycle FUD? Maybe legit due to foreign object debris causing issues.
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njsykora posted:Gamers Nexus melt Nvidia 12-pin connectors, including the one Igor said was the best. Short version, it happens when it's not inserted properly, but that can come from a lot of things including a badly made cable that doesn't make a proper connection despite being inserted "correctly". He specifically said there is no perfect connector, it can happen with any 12VHPWR connector and stressing about it can make it worse since you're increasing the risk of debris getting into the connector and increasing the chances of it happening. This is gonna end with "high purity" gold plated cables isn't it. The audiophiles were right all along 
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Nov 16, 2022 19:14
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:The solution for me was to make sure Afterburner wasn't running during Nvidia driver updates. Yeah this has been recommended for a while now.
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Nov 16, 2022 19:15
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yikes at that cable someone sent to GN which seems to have only been inserted about 2/3rds of the way
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Nov 16, 2022 19:19
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njsykora posted:Gamers Nexus melt Nvidia 12-pin connectors, including the one Igor said was the best. Short version, it happens when it's not inserted properly, but that can come from a lot of things including a badly made cable that doesn't make a proper connection despite being inserted "correctly". He specifically said there is no perfect connector, it can happen with any 12VHPWR connector and stressing about it can make it worse since you're increasing the risk of debris getting into the connector and increasing the chances of it happening.
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Nov 16, 2022 19:19
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pyrotek posted:
It’s nowhere near that obvious on the GPU side and I’m really wondering if there isn’t an issue on the GPU side of the connectors too that makes it harder than normal to tell.
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Nov 16, 2022 19:23
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Apparently the connector doesn't really click when you plug it in. GN showed a clip of what looked like a cable being almost all the way in and then coming loose when they wiggle the cable around. I can see someone putting the card in, not quite getting the connector seated, and then carrying their PC back to their desk and the big honking mess of cables pulling themselves back out a bit.
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Nov 16, 2022 19:36
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TomR posted:Apparently the connector doesn't really click when you plug it in. GN showed a clip of what looked like a cable being almost all the way in and then coming loose when they wiggle the cable around. I can see someone putting the card in, not quite getting the connector seated, and then carrying their PC back to their desk and the big honking mess of cables pulling themselves back out a bit. What I take away from all this is Seat Once, Seat Hard.
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Nov 16, 2022 19:37
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GN goes into pretty good detail. There is more than one way there could be a problem, but only one where they themselves made it melt. The video is well worth the watch. I love GN for this kind of deep dive and actually getting to the bottom of things.
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Nov 16, 2022 19:42
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another NVIDIA gen launched, another ridiculous FUD story hyped up by anti-NVIDIA memesters put down.  (hey, what a coincidence, those previous FUD stories were from Igor too!)
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Nov 16, 2022 19:45
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TomR posted:GN goes into pretty good detail. There is more than one way there could be a problem, but only one where they themselves made it melt. The video is well worth the watch. I love GN for this kind of deep dive and actually getting to the bottom of things. the thing about actual insertion damage is that it wouldn’t happen on the first cycle, it’s “after a bunch of cycles the connector pins get bent up and don’t clamp as well and the pin surface gets scraped up and doesn’t make contact evenly”, so, that’s not what’s happening on day-1 launch fires. That’s a “this could be a problem down the road” scenario. The batch of fires we saw were purely user error. People didn’t plug the connector in all the way, and the connector doesn’t provide adequate feedback (no click) to assist that.
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Nov 16, 2022 19:49
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PCI-SIG really missed the mark by not using the sense pins to detect improper insertion Apparently there's a revision in the works to implement that
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Nov 16, 2022 19:51
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If the sense pins were shorter then the card would shut off when the connector isn't fully seated, which would be great. I guess they didn't think to do that because the old 8 pin connectors have a much more positive seating feedback, and also maybe they fall all the way out easily if the clip hasn't engaged so they don't get a chance to heat up and melt. I don't know. Maybe they didn't think of any of this when they designed the thing. Right now at least we know the melting is rare, and how to deal with it going forward. It's user error, but the connector enabled that user error IMO.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:00
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Paul MaudDib posted:The batch of fires we saw were purely user error. People didn’t plug the connector in all the way, and the connector doesn’t provide adequate feedback (no click) to assist that. If you can’t easily tell if something is plugged in I’m not sure calling it purely user error is warranted.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:04
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hobbesmaster posted:If you can’t easily tell if something is plugged in I’m not sure calling it purely user error is warranted. Yeah I'm in this camp.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:05
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repiv posted:PCI-SIG really missed the mark by not using the sense pins to detect improper insertion I think back to the "why UK plugs are better" video in times like this.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:08
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hobbesmaster posted:If you can’t easily tell if something is plugged in I’m not sure calling it purely user error is warranted. One of the confounding factors, at least as presented in GN's vid, is that it isn't just 'unseated', but rather, '*very* unseated'. They couldn't induce failure with a 'slightly' unseated connector. And inspection of failed cables sent in by users appeared to bear that out, one example having fully 1/3 of the length unseated. That said, when you get to the bit of the vid where they advise on how to verify the cable is properly seated, it certainly seems like a better design would make it easier to (a) insert the cable properly, and (b) know it is properly inserted.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:13
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3060 Tis are finally dropping below $400 new, Newegg has a bunch of Zotac cards for $380
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I'm pretty sure there's something wrong with my 6800XT. It backscreens in Cyberpunk, Control and Hitman 3 very consistently within 10-40 minutes. Elden Ring runs fine. Unity occasionally black screens if I leave it open for days, and it once black screened during a Teams call. I've tried factory resets, different drivers etc. The funny thing is that it breezes through stress tests. I've tried stress testing the CPU, RAM, VRAM and power draw with no issues. Temps all stay within range. I wish I could produce the black screen more consistently outside of a handful of games. Within those games it doesn't matter if the settings are minimum or maxed out. All logging programs fail during the crash, so it's hard to tell exactly what is going on. After a crash if I go directly back into the game it will crash again almost immediately, which makes me think that something on the card is overheating that doesn't necessarily have its temps monitored. I'm going to try to dig up another computer and swap out the graphics cards, since I'm not yet 100% sold it's the GPU. I see a lot of people with the same card complaining that they sent it back due to black screens, but I'm not sure if that's confirmation bias on my part.
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TomR posted:I've had my RTX 3060 Ti for a day now and I'm really impressed with the productivity speed up over my GTX 1070. Blender is way faster now. I can't imagine what it would be like to use a 4090. Those things would be worth every penny if you were being paid. I'm also a big fan of the 3060 Ti after having picked one up ~2 weeks ago.  This is my Folding@Home points per day. If you look very closely you can find the point where four GTX 1650 cards and a 750 Ti were replaced by one 3060 Ti.
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mdxi posted:I'm also a big fan of the 3060 Ti after having picked one up ~2 weeks ago. Nice.
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Nice Van My Man posted:I'm pretty sure there's something wrong with my 6800XT. It backscreens in Cyberpunk, Control and Hitman 3 very consistently within 10-40 minutes. Elden Ring runs fine. Unity occasionally black screens if I leave it open for days, and it once black screened during a Teams call. Can you try this registry hack please? It's the latest panacea for the 6000 series. https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/yvyqc7/disabling_multiplane_overlay_mpo_fixed_all/
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change my name posted:3060 Tis are finally dropping below $400 new, Newegg has a bunch of Zotac cards for $380 Daamn there are 3070s in the $400 range too, that's about what I paid for my 1070 years ago. Granted that like midway through its generation, but still much more sensible than $1800 4080.
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 The fact that THIS is not properly engaged is probably why we get failures. It looks like the cable is plugged in, but then you try to force your side panel on because your massive loving GPU just doesn't quite fit in your case and you slide your panel into place and the friction of the cable against the side panel yanks the cable out at an angle and now your GPU is burning. Hopefully cable revisions can help in the future. Nalin fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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repiv posted:trying out warzone 2 and it's nice to see DLAA in there, there was never any good reason for DLSS to be exclusively limited to upscaling scenarios 
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The AA in Persona 5 is pretty bad too. It’s an example of an undemanding game where DLSS would still be nice. If for no other reason that regular supersampling requires a whole lot more (electric) power.
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I just checked, and there are actually still a few 4080s in stock at newegg for around $1200. That's different to what we saw with the 4090. Either there's more 4080 inventory than there was 4090 (which I doubt is true), or there's a lot less demand for it. Either way, I still expect it to be fully out of stock for a month or so once the remaining launch inventory goes.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I just checked, and there are actually still a few 4080s in stock at newegg for around $1200. That's different to what we saw with the 4090. Either there's more 4080 inventory than there was 4090 (which I doubt is true), or there's a lot less demand for it. Either way, I still expect it to be fully out of stock for a month or so once the remaining launch inventory goes. Looks like just the Gigabyte $1269 currently at that price point. The MSI I bought this morning has changed to 'preparing', yay! I really wanted the FE but that wasn't happening. Kaddish fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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Kaddish posted:Looks like just the Gigabyte $1269 currently at that price point. Newegg is filtering out a couple in-stock items for some reason if you're filtering for "in-stock only." There's also a Gigabyte Eagle OC for $1240 and a Zotac AMP whatever for $1400.
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Josh Lyman posted:I understand the purpose of testing GPUs at 4K to evaluate their horsepower, but those same reviewers say gaming at 4K is kinda dumb and 1440p is the sweetspot. Yet they either skip or don't really discuss the 1440p performance when "cheapest card that can do 1440p 165fps" is what's most relevant for most people. what's relevant for most people is still 1080p. 1440p is indeed much better value for money than 4K and is gaining ground, but it's far from standard still. reviewers do usually test & discuss 1440p performance though, idk what you mean
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DF did a video covering performance improvements on plague tale requiem and the gap between the consoles and current PC hardware is massive all relative to PS5 quote:with exact console settings, vs ps5 the XSX performing materially better is interesting too
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shrike82 posted:DF did a video covering performance improvements on plague tale requiem and the gap between the consoles and current PC hardware is massive This is really interesting, but also the PS5 looks like an insane value, at $399 2 years ago.
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What's a reasonable price for a clean used 3080? Really torn between that and waiting for an XTX. I'm sort of all over the map in terms of what I really want out of a television-hooked-PC 🤔 Yes I am very bad at setting a budget.
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If going second hand i've seen quite a few 3080s in the 500-600$ range, XTX might be worth waiting for though. 4080s being in stock for quite a while, looks like they aren't flying off the shelves.
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I caved and bought one so that’s one less at newegg
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sauer kraut posted:Can you try this registry hack please? Ah, thanks for the help but it actually turned out to just be a vbios update that I needed. I didn't even know that was a thing, I thought drivers would take care of everything! I've been running Control and Cyberpunk and everything seems stable.
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GN said don't pull the cable taunt laterally multiple times but during the whole thing their test to make sure it was fully inserted was to wiggle it left and right fairly roughly is pretty funny. Also the picture of the not fully inserted failure seemed to show swelling or something above the point it was inserted which indicates that the connection is to tight without grease to me. I'd say it's mostly a connector design issue still.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I just checked, and there are actually still a few 4080s in stock at newegg for around $1200. That's different to what we saw with the 4090. Either there's more 4080 inventory than there was 4090 (which I doubt is true), or there's a lot less demand for it. Either way, I still expect it to be fully out of stock for a month or so once the remaining launch inventory goes. I think it's both, they usually have a higher inventory as you go down the chain. But yeah, I also think there is just way less demand.
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The math just sucks. I imagine the people who can afford a 4080 would prefer to get a 4090 for a bit more.
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8-bit Miniboss posted:The math just sucks. I imagine the people who can afford a 4080 would prefer to get a 4090 for a bit more. Yeah you are already well north of 1k might as well spend more to get the best.
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