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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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skewetoo posted:I haven't seen any, is it any good? their stock is up 32% ytd lol but just wait until next year-ish when we start hearing about how we're dangerously under-equipped now after sending all of our explodeybois to ukraine and now we need new shinier ones
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Nov 16, 2022 20:18
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Hatebag posted:Could they have deliberately targeted that grain silo with an anti-missile missile? Or is an accident that they're making use of more likely? Ukrainian S300s are precious and being SAMs have dogshit CEP so just landing on the right side close to the border would be something of an accomplishment. Plus if tracked they'd show a very different flight profile from an incoming Russian cruise missile, and the 5V55 series tend to leave a lot of identifiable debris - as has happened here. While the preferred narrative for most governments involved is for it to have been an Ukrainian SAM that missed or had its target splashed and coasted or maybe simply malfunctioned, as it considerably reduces NATO escalation risk, it's in Ukraine's self-interest to bang whatever tune sounds more provocatory, which the intercept of a Russian inbound over Polish territory obviously is. Either way the Poles can fault Russia for creating a situation in which Ukrainians were hurling large numbers of S300s in the first place.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:20
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Weka posted:What is Russia losing by extending this if they are limiting casualties? A little unrest at home but mostly everyone ignores it? The cost of munitions, balanced against increased oil and gas profits? If they're limiting casualties is doing a lot of work here. Obviously they're not seeing world war levels of fatalities, but even by their own numbers they've lost more soldiers (not including mercenaries or Ukrainian splinter republic proxy forces) than the US lost in all its wars this century, and relatively conservative estimates still put them at more fatalities in less than one year than the entire Soviet Union lost in their own war in Afghanistan.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:25
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Frosted Flake posted:Ukraine specifically said their war plan, which they have executed nearly to the tee, requires drawing NATO in. as a paradox gamer, using your stronger allies to win your wars is just good strategy
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Nov 16, 2022 20:25
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Homeless Friend posted:lol at how stuff from yesterday has aged. that is still the Ukrainian position though. https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1592928556635471873?s=20&t=2aEkSXR81wmoNWKGko4yAQ
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Nov 16, 2022 20:27
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Conspiratiorist posted:Either way the Poles can fault Russia for creating a situation in which Ukrainians were hurling large numbers of S300s in the first place. yeah, it kinda falls flat after all the initial derangement, but they're getting extra air defense from NATO and Ukraine's probably getting more air defense from NATO too, so no one really has anything to complain about.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:27
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Atrocious Joe posted:that is still the Ukrainian position though. honestly, he should keep saying this stuff. drawing a divide between the NATO narrative and his own only hurts him in the long run by reminding people he's not the most credible source.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:29
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I wonder how long can the US keep propping Ukraine up at this rate. My guess max 4 years and min 1 more year. But I do think Putin has less runaway to burn than Biden. So maybe China should start more serious support to Russia sometime next year. The more resource US spend in the European theater, the better it is for China. Basically China should roll their own lendlease program. Russia has way more natural resource to pay back to China than Ukraine.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:33
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but i guess as far as Zelenskyy's concerned it all still helps distract from stuff like the UN human rights statement that came out talking about how not only Russia but also Ukraine is torturing and summary executing prisoners, violating the Geneva convention by prosecuting combatants, sham trials, or the purges in Kherson they won't let reporters close to, etc
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Nov 16, 2022 20:35
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speng31b posted:honestly, he should keep saying this stuff. drawing a divide between the NATO narrative and his own only hurts him in the long run by reminding people he's not the most credible source. There's going to be some folks too who take Zelensky's side and start disbelieving NATO whenever they contradict each other which will be funny to see. Countdown to someone calling NATO tankies over this
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Nov 16, 2022 20:37
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speng31b posted:yeah, it kinda falls flat after all the initial derangement, but they're getting extra air defense from NATO and Ukraine's probably getting more air defense from NATO too, so no one really has anything to complain about. The families of the dead beg to differ. But yes, Ukraine and Poland are getting things they want, which is why Zelensky's insistence on a Russian intercept being part of the narrative is not what we'd call huh, bloc discipline. https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1592966202955075586 Conspiratiorist has issued a correction as of 20:58 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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Nov 16, 2022 20:38
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:There's going to be some folks too who take Zelensky's side and start disbelieving NATO whenever they contradict each other which will be funny to see. Countdown to someone calling NATO tankies over this nato does have a lot of tanks, really makes u think 
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Nov 16, 2022 20:39
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Conspiratiorist posted:The families of the dead beg to differ. we should probably put a stop to this whole war thing as soon as possible
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Nov 16, 2022 20:43
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speng31b posted:we should probably put a stop to this whole war thing as soon as possible Since Russia apparently prefers to retreat than meet battle, giving the AFU support till they push them out might be the fastest way to accomplish that.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:52
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Conspiratiorist posted:Since Russia apparently prefers to retreat than meet battle, giving the AFU support till they push them out might be the fastest way to accomplish that. I think both sides agreeing to negotiate a ceasefire is probably fastest, but it's possible Russia will just keep retreating from every fight back to nearly prewar borders, in which case you might be right. Unfortunately I doubt that will be the case, so pumping the AFU full of arms will continue to be a disaster with far reaching consequences.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:58
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https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1592942337273266177 Russian engineers have been a bit busy for a while. https://twitter.com/rybar_en/status/1592893257025220608 Ukraine seems to have a hard time fixing this bridge even after nothing's been shot at it for months. Военный Осведомитель posted:
New batch of Tornado MLRS, production line was asserted to be going to 24/7 shifts around a few weeks.
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Nov 16, 2022 21:07
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:If they're limiting casualties is doing a lot of work here. Obviously they're not seeing world war levels of fatalities, but even by their own numbers they've lost more soldiers (not including mercenaries or Ukrainian splinter republic proxy forces) than the US lost in all its wars this century, and relatively conservative estimates still put them at more fatalities in less than one year than the entire Soviet Union lost in their own war in Afghanistan. It's a quibble but it's kinda funny so I'll mention that Shoigu's figures are 5937 deaths, coincidentally squeaking under the USA's death count for Iraq and Afghanistan of 6817. What conservative estimates are you referring to? BBC and Mediazone's, where they arbitrarily double the confirmed casualty count?
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Nov 16, 2022 21:10
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Weka posted:It's a quibble but it's kinda funny so I'll mention that Shoigu's figures are 5937 deaths, coincidentally squeaking under the USA's death count for Iraq and Afghanistan of 6817. Oops yeah I got things mixed up and mistook the number of deaths BBC and Mediazone were able to confirm killed by name (8,712) with the official count. And yeah, any estimate is going to have some level of arbitrariness to it, so maybe they're using the wrong multiplier there idk. Russia's definitely covering up the real number though, and the estimate they gave is much, much lower than the propaganda number given by Ukraine and Western intelligence, so I assume they were at least aiming for something plausible.
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Nov 16, 2022 21:17
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stephenthinkpad posted:I wonder how long can the US keep propping Ukraine up at this rate. My guess max 4 years and min 1 more year. Endlessly. The USA will just print however much money it wants like Zimbabwe and dare anyone to call them on it. The money to Ukraine (and all the skimming off the top) won't cease.
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Nov 16, 2022 21:24
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The liar Zelensky will never be punished.
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Nov 16, 2022 21:25
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DancingShade posted:Endlessly. The USA will just print however much money it wants like Zimbabwe and dare anyone to call them on it. The money to Ukraine (and all the skimming off the top) won't cease. The US isn’t fully funding Ukraine though, after their spending before its infrastructure was hit came from printing. The US will keep throwing them but but enough to find their expenses is a lot more unclear. I could believe at 8k dead/24k casualties, it is just the DOD admitted that the Ukrainians took at least 100k. We won’t know anything accurate for a while. I do think Russian strategy is literally to wait to the the US comes to the table. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 21:36 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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Nov 16, 2022 21:30
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The US in theory can print money endlessly but they eventually stopped in Afghanistan. Didn't even print that extra plane load of cash to Taliban so they could leave Kabul with the slightest bit of diginty. In the end it comes down to production capacity, how fast can the west, particularly the US MIC make half way decent weapons versus how fast the Russia/Iran/China camp can put together kamikaze 136s. If China take the gloves off, they will have much better drones to sell to Russia, but Xi and Biden are not likely to flip the poker table in the next two years. Not even Kevin McCarhy visiting Taiwan will trigger that. I just don't see this war last longer than the korean war. Even the Russians have much less appetite in paying hunan lives than they did last century.
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Nov 16, 2022 21:44
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Zelenskyy stalwartly refusing to believe NATO lies
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Nov 16, 2022 21:52
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Zelensky is going to need to bomb Poland again
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Nov 16, 2022 21:56
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Canada is just a giant human centipede with mining/oil execs in the front, catholic priests in the back, and ukrainian nazis in the middle. you forgot to post it in french too
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Nov 16, 2022 21:59
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lol yesterday the Italian police busted a bunch of Azov-linked Nazis who were planning to use weapons they somehow mysteriously got a hold of to commit terror attacks
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Nov 16, 2022 22:07
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Conspiratiorist posted:Since Russia apparently prefers to retreat than meet battle, giving the AFU support till they push them out might be the fastest way to accomplish that. Sooner or later the war is going to end, and Ukraine isn't exactly run by the kind of people you want to give access to a ton of weapons (and those weapons won't even stay within Ukraine)
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Nov 16, 2022 22:12
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Dr Kool-AIDS posted:Oops yeah I got things mixed up and mistook the number of deaths BBC and Mediazone were able to confirm killed by name (8,712) with the official count. And yeah, any estimate is going to have some level of arbitrariness to it, so maybe they're using the wrong multiplier there idk. Russia's definitely covering up the real number though, and the estimate they gave is much, much lower than the propaganda number given by Ukraine and Western intelligence, so I assume they were at least aiming for something plausible. IDK if they are covering it up, Shoigu's September 21 claim for 5,937 compares to Mediazone's confirmed 7,107 for the same time period and I imagine there's a lot of doubt over who exactly is an official Russian service member, about 1/4 of their reported deaths have no service branch attached so it's possible they're PMCs or Russian citizens serving in the military's of the Donbass republics. But if we take that 8,712 and the DPR's self reported 3,733, plus LPR and Wagner etc, IDK maybe 15k+? Which could align with Ukrainian and USA estimates of 80k / 100k casualties total. Does anybody have any idea of Russia's casualty metric? What count's as a casualty?
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Nov 16, 2022 22:18
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The Ukrainian OSINT guys just found this picture posted on telegram by a Russian missile unit geolocated in Belarus shortly before the impact, and combined with the amount of Green Stuff found at the impact site I’d say the tankie narrative of blaming Ukraine is collapsing:
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Nov 16, 2022 22:25
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stephenthinkpad posted:The US in theory can print money endlessly but they eventually stopped in Afghanistan. Didn't even print that extra plane load of cash to Taliban so they could leave Kabul with the slightest bit of diginty. Besides, the problem that Russia has is not, at its core, equipment related. They aren't willing or able to endure the kind of casualties to force Ukraine to negotiate from a position of weakness, and on the other side, Ukraine has shown an ability and a willingness to endure outsized casualty numbers to hold off Russia. Better equipment would obviously help Russia both reduce casualties themselves and exacerbate Ukrainian casualties, but only incrementally. All the mobilization in the world isn't going to help them if they fear the political fallout from dead conscripts, which they clearly do.
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Nov 16, 2022 22:28
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HallelujahLee posted:polodomer
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Nov 16, 2022 22:43
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Also, if Iran is supplying the Russians with already at least partially Chinese derived IP, then there really isn’t a serious reason for the Chinese to get involved. In all honesty, the Russians probably could have disabled the Ukrainian grid entirely with the weapons they have already used if they made a purposeful strategy of it. They have been instead been using them for a relatively softer strategy of putting Ukraine on a “diet” for them to come to terms. They really don’t need Chinese weapons for such a strategy (and in all honesty the Chinese probably wouldn’t supply them unless the Russian actually needed them rather than the current nonsense.) The Russians never lost the fight to fight a real war, but it would have to get “dirty” and they don’t want that. They want a clean political war and this is going to keep on going.
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Nov 16, 2022 22:46
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Ardennes posted:In all honesty, the Russians probably could have disabled the Ukrainian grid entirely with the weapons they have already used if they made a purposeful strategy of it. They have been instead been using them for a relatively softer strategy of putting Ukraine on a “diet” for them to come to terms. NUH UH!
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Nov 16, 2022 22:53
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Turtle Watch posted:The Ukrainian OSINT guys just found this picture posted on telegram by a Russian missile unit geolocated in Belarus shortly before the impact, and combined with the amount of Green Stuff found at the impact site I’d say the tankie narrative of blaming Ukraine is collapsing: Ork not sexy enough, 4/10.
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Nov 16, 2022 22:56
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turn on your monitor
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Nov 16, 2022 23:00
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Weka posted:IDK if they are covering it up, Shoigu's September 21 claim for 5,937 compares to Mediazone's confirmed 7,107 for the same time period and I imagine there's a lot of doubt over who exactly is an official Russian service member, about 1/4 of their reported deaths have no service branch attached so it's possible they're PMCs or Russian citizens serving in the military's of the Donbass republics. I'm sure they're not going to great pains to rigorously track every merc or militia member who dies, but I'm also not sure why they would bother to build up some Great Lie. You kinda notice if your kid doesn't come back from the front even if the TV tells you it's statistically unlikely to have happened.
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Nov 16, 2022 23:04
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:NUH UH! that they haven't done that is also pretty much a confirmation that what they want from this, and have wanted from the start, is an economically friendly Ukraine. it doesn't do Russia any good to wantonly destroy Ukrainian infrastructure because all that does is drive them further towards NATO when the war is over, so they're trying to do just enough damage to make it hurt but not enough that when the dust settles they can't pull them away from NATO and get favorable economic concessions in peace negotiations. all that fully destroying Ukraine's infrastructure would do is ensure that when the war does end that NATO has a permanent and indefinite military presence in whatever territory Kyiv still controls, which would be far worse for Russia than whatever resources remain in the captured territories or whatever economic concessions they can extract.
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Nov 16, 2022 23:06
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Russia’s overall strategy being a series of One Weird Tricks was dead on, whoever coined that itt
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Nov 16, 2022 23:08
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it is interesting that zelensky's insisting on this not being an air defense malfunction even as everyone else seems to be accepting that it's not. i do wonder what's going on with that
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Nov 16, 2022 23:09
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i think it's just that zelensky & co have had western media cover for them to such a degree that they think they can get away with any crock of bullshit, and to be fair so far they've been right
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Nov 16, 2022 23:11
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