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Cpt_Obvious: Jun 18, 2007

If I had to pretend that France was important I'd be absolutely furious.

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Maximo Roboto: Feb 4, 2012

Mantis42 posted:

Just left the barbershop and everyone was talking about the 20th National Congress.

�Yoooo Wang Huning bro! That�s that heat we need for building a moderately prosperous socialist nation!�

When you are getting talked about in the barbershop � you know it�s real.

King Huning is my hunnie

# ? Nov 17, 2022 00:10

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Mantis42 posted:

Just left the barbershop and everyone was talking about the 20th National Congress.

“Yoooo Wang Huning bro! That’s that heat we need for building a moderately prosperous socialist nation!”

When you are getting talked about in the barbershop — you know it’s real.

He's electable

If the National Congress loving votes for him!!!

# ? Nov 17, 2022 00:19

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

Forceholy posted:

Unless you're my old Scottish coworker who is HSK 6 and responds to the driver in perfect Mandarin.

The look on his face.

don't post here. you are a walking repository of dumb gbs bullshit and have nothing to contribute

Forceholy posted:

This is why I've never understood why CSPAM simps over China, other than AMERICA BAD. They think China has universal healthcare.

Forceholy posted:

Yeah, prostitution is pretty rampant in China. Brothels running out of KTVs, phone cards for working girls slid under hotel doors, you can get sex for pay if you're looking for it in China.

When I worked in the ESL mines in Fuzhou a couple of years ago, there were several brothels near my school, including one on the first floor of my apartment building. You could tell because the interior of it was this neon lit monstrosity and the girls were sitting around in scantily clad clothing burning time on their phones, waiting for customers. There was a Muslim restaurant right across the street from my place, so it made for good people watching.

I used to know a sexpat colleague who would search through WeChats's people nearby function for girls. Apparently, if a girls moments gallery has a QR code and little else, she's a prostitute.

Forceholy posted:

If capitalism were the one ring, China would be Isildur. Not gonna give it up.

Forceholy posted:

It's like a lot of Chinese policies: implement it now and deal with the aftermath and details later.

Chabuduo, do you know it?

Forceholy posted:

I remember a contest where they would find the nicest rear end in China, which was won by this personal trainer.

Cake is out here, but it's rare.

Forceholy posted:

Living in Beijing currently, all of that still exists, but on a massively smaller scale.

You can still get pirated movies and unlocked iphones in Zhongguancun. If you walk in Sanlitun at night, you will still see cards advertising....companions for the night. But the city is cleaning up a lot now. There used to be a massage places near Dalianpo, where I got my groceries and now they are all boarded up or trashed. That's the price of gentrification, I suppose.

Forceholy posted:

That's becuase CSPAM believes the enemy of their enemy (US) is their friend, even if they would hate CSPAM in the first place.

Forceholy posted:

The enemy of my enemy (USA) is my friend.

Even if said enemy would hate me in the first place.

Forceholy posted:

Face culture means never having to say you're sorry.

Forceholy posted:

I doubt it. China has been cleaning up in regards to that.

I remember brothels lining the street my first apartment in Fuzhou around 2017. They were gone by next year. Made for good people watching during dinner.

Maybe on Tinder or Tantan?

Forceholy posted:

CSPAM likes to believe that the enemy of my enemy is really their friends, even if China and Russia would hate them. Surely, China would give up the One Ring of Capitalism and plunge forth in a glorious communist utopia any day now!

Forceholy posted:

Yeah, they practically worship the man over on the CSPAM thread.

The CSPAM China thread has such incredible takes, such as students choosing to study abroad because they couldn't go to the more prestigious schools in China (lol).

I mean, if passing the Gaokao means you get to play video games and chain smoke for four years before getting an office job is more rigorous...

Forceholy posted:

I've heard Sichuan women are gorgeous.

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Son of Thunderbeast: Sep 21, 2002

I don't understand the "if capitalism were the one ring." Could you put it in harry potter terms for me

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Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

R. Guyovich posted:

don't post here. you are a walking repository of dumb gbs bullshit and have nothing to contribute

# ? Nov 17, 2022 01:29

Cpt_Obvious: Jun 18, 2007

You could tell they were prostitutes because I was perving out through their window.

# ? Nov 17, 2022 01:33

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

R. Guyovich posted:

don't post here. you are a walking repository of dumb gbs bullshit and have nothing to contribute

lol the ESL sex pest, what an awful scam those companies are

# ? Nov 17, 2022 01:48

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

R. Guyovich posted:

don't post here. you are a walking repository of dumb gbs bullshit and have nothing to contribute

# ? Nov 17, 2022 01:51

R. Guyovich: Dec 25, 1991

guy with encyclopedic knowledge of where the brothels are, how they get customers, what they look like on the inside, etc: my colleagues were real sex pests

# ? Nov 17, 2022 01:51

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

R. Guyovich posted:

guy with encyclopedic knowledge of where the brothels are, how they get customers, what they look like on the inside, etc: my colleagues were real sex pests

interpol should put a red notice out for anyone doing "ESL in east asia" unless they're attached to an accredited university

# ? Nov 17, 2022 01:52

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

R. Guyovich posted:

don't post here. you are a walking repository of dumb gbs bullshit and have nothing to contribute

# ? Nov 17, 2022 01:59

Palladium: May 8, 2012; Very Good
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Weird how the venn diagram of sex pests and CHINA BAD almost always ends in a single circle

# ? Nov 17, 2022 02:03

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Palladium posted:

Weird how the venn diagram of sex pests and CHINA BAD almost always ends in a single circle

How quickly you have forgotten the plight of Vicky Xu

# ? Nov 17, 2022 02:11

Slavvy: Dec 11, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

How quickly you have forgotten the plight of Vicky Xu

Sex pest accidentally born as something other than a fat white guy

# ? Nov 17, 2022 02:45

Antonymous: Apr 4, 2009

Cpt_Obvious posted:

If I had to pretend that France was important I'd be absolutely furious.

do you mean canada

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stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

Progessive looking ESL teacher.

# ? Nov 17, 2022 03:35

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Antonymous posted:

do you mean canada

Slava Quebecois

# ? Nov 17, 2022 04:30

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

I know there are a lot of article heads here so here�s this article. it looks good but haven�t read it yet. preemptive �lmao� though.

https://fair.org/home/us-media-searched-for-crisis-at-china-party-congress/

quote:

Friday, November 11, 2022 at 5:11 PM
US Media Searched for Crisis at China Party Congress
Eric Horowitz
FAIR
New York Times depiction of Hu Jintao leaving the China party congress.
For the Western press, the 20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party offered a number of signals which�if read in good faith�could have been perceived as reassuring.

Instead, establishment outlets reverted to familiar narratives regarding China�s Covid mitigation strategy and tied these into renewed predictions of a long-prophesied economic disaster�one that would inevitably befall China as a result of its government�s decision to forsake the orthodoxy of open markets.

More than anything else, corporate media fixated on Hu Jintao�s departure from the congress hall, engaging in tabloid-variety speculation around the fate of CCP General Secretary Xi Jinping�s 79-year-old predecessor.

Invoking the specter of a purge, outlets like the New York Times and CNN pushed the narrative that Xi manipulated events to consolidate his power. However, the �evidence� used by corporate media to suggest that Xi orchestrated Hu�s exit as part of a power grab was far from convincing.

Substantive developments

If establishment outlets covering the congress were on the lookout for substantive developments�rather than additional fodder to comport with their prefabricated narratives�they could have found them.

Despite the Biden administration�s belligerent posture vis-�-vis Taiwan, demonstrated by escalations like Nancy Pelosi�s visit to the island and Biden�s own promise to deploy US forces in the event of a forced reunification, Xi indicated that China would continue to approach cross-strait relations with restraint.

SCMP: Beijing will do its utmost for peaceful reunification with Taiwan, Xi Jinping says
SCMP (10/16/22): �Analysts said Xi�s remarks suggested that Beijing was exercising restraint on Taiwan, despite the soaring tensions.�

Of Xi�s relatively measured statements on reunification, Sung Wen-ti, a political scientist at the Australian National University (Guardian, 10/16/22), said, �The lack of �hows� is a sign he wants to preserve policy flexibility and doesn�t want to irreversibly commit to a particularly adversarial path.� Lim John Chuan-tiong, a former researcher at Taiwan�s Academia Sinica (SCMP, 10/16/22), deemed Xi�s message to the Taiwanese people �balanced and not combative.� This sounds like good news for everyone who wants to avoid a potential nuclear war.

In addition, Xi�s opening report to the congress placed particular emphasis on the task of combating climate change. The section titled �Pursuing Green Development and Promoting Harmony between Humanity and Nature� presented a four-part framework to guide China�s policy efforts in this area. Even the avidly pro-Western Atlantic Council had to admit that �China is showing its leadership in green development in a number of ways.�

Since China is home to one-fifth of the global population, and is currently the most prolific CO2-emitting country on Earth, its government�s decision to prioritize a comprehensive response to the climate crisis seems like an unambiguously positive development.

The congress even provided some encouraging news for those who claim to care about human rights. In a surprise move, Chen Quanguo, who was hit with US sanctions for his hardline approach as party secretary in both Tibet and Xinjiang, was ousted from the central committee.

But US corporate media generally failed to highlight these developments as positive news. In fact, with the exception of some coverage of Xi�s statements on Taiwan�which largely misrepresented China�s posture as more threatening than a good-faith reading would indicate�US news outlets had remarkably little to say about the substance of any news coming out of the congress.

Recycled narratives

As FAIR (3/24/20, 1/29/21, 9/9/22) has pointed out at various points in the pandemic, corporate media�seemingly disturbed by China�s unwillingness to sacrifice millions of lives at the altar of economic growth�have been almost uniformly critical of the Chinese government�s Covid mitigation strategy.

NYT: China is sticking to its �zero Covid� policy.
The New York Times (10/16/22) refers to the �idea� that China�s zero Covid policies �have saved lives��as though it�s possible that China could have allowed the coronavirus to spread throughout its population without killing anyone.

Indeed, establishment outlets have persistently demonized the �zero-Covid� policy despite its successes�in terms of both lives saved and economic development. After Xi indicated to the congress that China would continue along this path, corporate media were predictably dismayed.

Returning to its familiar line that, contrary to evidence, China�s decision to prioritize public health would ravage its economy, the New York Times (10/16/22) reported:

Mr. Xi argued that the Communist Party had waged an �all out people�s war to stop the spread of the virus.� China�s leadership has done everything it can to protect people�s health, he said, putting �the people and their lives above all else.� He made no mention of how the stringent measures were holding back economic growth and frustrating residents.
The article went on to quote Jude Blanchette, a �China expert� at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), who declared, �There is nothing positive or aspirational about zero Covid.� That CSIS would disseminate such a narrative�with the assistance of the reliably hawkish Times�is unsurprising, since the think tank�s chief patrons share a common interest in vilifying China.

CSIS�s roster of major donors includes military contractors Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin and Boeing, as well as a litany of oil and gas companies�all of whom derive financial benefit from America�s military build-up in the Pacific.

CSIS has also received millions of dollars from the governments of Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. Sitting on its board of trustees are Phebe Novakovic, chair and CEO of General Dynamics, and Leon Panetta who�as Defense secretary in the Obama administration�helped craft the DOD�s �pivot to Asia.�

�No to market reforms�

CNN: Xi Jinping�s speech: yes to zero-Covid, no to market reforms?
CNN (10/17/22) reported that �experts are concerned that Xi offered no signs of moving away from the country�s rigid zero-Covid policy or its tight regulatory stance on various businesses, both of which have hampered growth in the world�s second-largest economy.� CNN�s experts don�t point out that China�s economy has grown 9% since 2019, when Covid struck, vs. 2% for the US.

In �Xi Jinping�s Speech: Yes to Zero Covid, No to Market Reforms?� CNN (10/17/22) framed Xi�s statement that China would not allow the deadly coronavirus to spread freely across its population as part of a broader rejection of liberalized markets by the CCP.

Aside from the obvious shortcomings of a framework that evaluates public health policy on the basis of its relationship to economic growth, CNN presented the opening of Chinese markets to foreign capital as an objective good�the forsaking of which would bode poorly for China�s economic prospects.

While China�s �reform and opening-up� has been immensely profitable for corporations�as evidenced in media coverage (Forbes, 10/24/22; NYT, 11/7/22) of global markets� uneasiness over Xi�s alleged �return to Marxism��its impact on Chinese workers has been uneven, to say the least. Living standards have improved generally, but labor conditions remain poor and inequality is growing.

Like the Times, CNN went the think tank route to support its thesis, quoting Craig Singleton�senior China fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD):

Yesterday�s speech confirms what many China watchers have long suspected�Xi has no intention of embracing market liberalization or relaxing China�s zero-Covid policies, at least not anytime soon�. Instead, he intends to double down on policies geared towards security and self-reliance at the expense of China�s long-term economic growth.
Despite the fact that China watchers have, for as long as one can remember, predicted a collapse of China�s economy that has yet to materialize, corporate media keep on returning to that same old well.

For its part, FDD�to which CNN attached the inconspicuous label of �DC-based think tank��is a neoconservative advocacy group that has an ax to grind with China. The chairman of FDD�s China Program is Matt Pottinger, former deputy national security advisor to Donald Trump.

Early on in the pandemic, a Washington Post profile (4/29/20) of Pottinger stated that he �believes Beijing�s handling of the virus has been �catastrophic� and �the whole world is the collateral damage of China�s internal governance problems.�� The article quoted Trump�s second national security advisor, H.R. McMaster�who is also currently employed as a �China expert� at FDD�as calling Pottinger �central to the biggest shift in US foreign policy since the Cold War, which is the competitive approach to China.�

Desperate search for a purge

If consumers of corporate media only encountered one story about the congress, it probably had something to do with this seemingly innocuous development: During the congress�s closing session, aides escorted Hu Jintao�Xi�s predecessor as China�s paramount leader�out of the Great Hall of the People.

Later that day, Xinhua, China�s state news agency, said that Hu�s departure was health related. This explanation isn�t exactly far-fetched, since the 79-year-old Hu has long been said to be suffering from an illness�as early as 2012, some observers posited that the then-outgoing leader had Parkinson�s disease.

Since the whole episode was caught on camera, however, corporate media were not satisfied with China�s mundane account of events. Instead, establishment outlets seized the moment and transformed Hu�s departure into a dramatic spectacle, laden with sinister connotations. The speculation that followed was almost obsessive in nature.

New York Times: What Happened to Hu Jintao?
The New York Times (10/27/22) invited readers to scrutinize video of a 79-year-old retiree being escorted from a meeting for signs that he was �purged��a conjecture that the Times otherwise provides no evidence for.

In a piece titled �What Happened to Hu Jintao,� the New York Times (10/27/22) resorted to a form of video and image analysis one would typically expect from the most committed conspiracy theorist. Despite conceding that �it�s far from evident that Mr. Hu�s exit was planned, and many analysts have warned against drawing assumptions,� the Times went on to do just that.

The article centered on nine video clips and three stills, providing a moment-by-moment breakdown of Hu�s exit from various angles and zoom levels. Some images even included Monday Night Football�style telestrator circles, which surrounded the heads of certain CCP cadres like halos in a Renaissance painting.

In reference to the haloed party figures whose �expressions did not change� as Hu was escorted away, the Times quoted Wu Guoguang, a professor at Canada�s University of Victoria:

Here was Hu Jintao, the former highest leader of your party and a man who had given so many of you political opportunities. And how do you treat him now?� This incident demonstrated the tragic reality of Chinese politics and the fundamental lack of human decency in the Communist Party.
While noting that Wu �said he did not want to speculate about what had unfolded,� the Times evidently did not consider this statement of caution as being at odds with his subsequent use of Hu�s departure to condemn the CCP in the broadest possible terms.

Indeed, the paper of record saw no problem with attributing the failure of Hu�s colleagues to react in a more appropriate manner�whatever that may have been�to �the tragic reality of Chinese politics� and a �fundamental lack of human decency� on the part of the CCP.

Here was a microcosm of corporate media�s contradictory approach to the episode: a professed reluctance to engage in conjecture, persistently negated by an overwhelming eagerness to cast aspersions. In line with this tack, the Times resorted to innuendo by posing a hypothetical question:

Was Mr. Hu, 79, suffering from poor health, as Chinese state media would later report? Or was he being purged in a dramatic show by China�s current leader, Xi Jinping, for the world to see?
Rather than asserting outright that Hu was the victim of a purge, the Times advanced this familiar red-scare narrative by including two photographs from the Cultural Revolution�one of which depicts Xi�s father being subjected to humiliation during a struggle session. With these images, the Times coaxed readers into making a spurious connection between Hu�s exit and the political repressions of yesteryear.

Unfazed by lack of evidence

WSJ: Hu Jintao's Removal From China's Party Congress, a Frame-by-Frame Breakdown
The Wall Street Journal (10/27/22) subjected Hu�s exit to the kind of analysis usually done in movies with photos linked by string on a basement wall.

The same day as the Times released its �analysis,� the Wall Street Journal (10/27/22) published a similar piece under the headline �Hu Jintao�s Removal From China�s Party Congress, a Frame-by-Frame Breakdown.�

Short on substance, since there was no actual evidence to suggest that the 79-year-old�who hasn�t held power for a decade and has never even been rumored to oppose Xi�was being purged or publicly humiliated, the Journal chose to hyperfixate on every aspect of the footage.

Predictably, cable news networks and China watchers also took part in the orgy of speculation. On CNN�s Erin Burnett Out Front (10/25/22), international correspondent Selina Wang said this:

Now, I have spoken to experts who think there is more to this than that pure health explanation, including Steve Tsang of [the] SOAS China Institute. He told me that this is humiliation of Hu Jintao. It is a clear message that there is only one leader who matters in China right now and that is Xi Jinping.
She did not mention the fact that Tsang is a fellow at Chatham House, a think tank that derives a substantial proportion of its funding from the US State Department and the governments of Britain and Japan.

The day before, on CNN Newsroom (10/24/22), Wang stated, �Hu Jintao. . . was publicly humiliated at the closing ceremony of the Party Congress.� The only support she offered for this assertion came from Victor Shih, another China watcher from the aforementioned CSIS, who conjectured:

I am not a believer of the pure health explanation. And it seemed like [Hu] sat down in a pretty stable manner. And then suddenly, he was asked to leave. I�m not sure if he whispered something, said something to Xi Jinping.
Half-acknowledging that Shih�s description of events actually said nothing at all, Wang concluded: �Regardless, it was a symbolic moment. Out with Hu and the collective leadership of his era.� For Wang and for corporate media�s treatment of the episode writ large, �regardless� was the operative word�regardless of the fact that they were merely engaged in baseless speculation, they would still inevitably arrive at the most sinister conclusion.

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Spergin Morlock: Aug 8, 2009

the talk of Jet Li makes me want to watch Hero again. as a non-Chinese person I feel like I'm missing about 80% of what's there though lol

# ? Nov 17, 2022 06:58

HiroProtagonist: May 7, 2007

R. Guyovich posted:

don't post here. you are a walking repository of dumb gbs bullshit and have nothing to contribute

holy lol

# ? Nov 17, 2022 07:04

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

HiroProtagonist posted:

lol enormous gently caress you energy on Xi there

it's mostly in the body language. i liked when he said "create the conditions" his hands gradually raise up like a drawbridge and then ka-bang

https://files.catbox.moe/1lpmbe.mp4

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 07:50 on Nov 17, 2022

# ? Nov 17, 2022 07:48

Cuttlefush: Jan 15, 2014; gotta have my purp

that's not the blown bridge that's homer strangling his son

# ? Nov 17, 2022 07:56

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://mobile.twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1593114635959664642

# ? Nov 17, 2022 08:07

Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

Spergin Morlock posted:

the talk of Jet Li makes me want to watch Hero again. as a non-Chinese person I feel like I'm missing about 80% of what's there though lol

The assassins are aristocratic separatists, and the emperor, though a villain in some ways, is advancing the dialectic by building the empire. It owns.

# ? Nov 17, 2022 08:56

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

Spergin Morlock posted:

the talk of Jet Li makes me want to watch Hero again. as a non-Chinese person I feel like I'm missing about 80% of what's there though lol

I'm Chinese and I think I still missed a whole bunch. I'm gonna sit back and rewatch it one of these days.

Wong Fei Hong (Once Upon a Time in China) is another one I'm going to have to go back to (fictional Sun Yat Sen is in it!)

# ? Nov 17, 2022 09:48

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1593114635959664642

so the previous president from his party was the rasputin psychic embezzler president. what's this dude's excuse

# ? Nov 17, 2022 10:26

Tankbuster: Oct 1, 2021

his excuse is that korean men have tiny dicks (not joking). The country elected this crank because women were saying slurs on forums.

# ? Nov 17, 2022 12:24

Telluric Whistler: Sep 14, 2008

PhilippAchtel posted:

Yeah, there's definitely a racial undertone which the press will never explore because PMJT wears hip socks and has women in his cabinet!

It's incredibly insulting because if a Western leader came up to Xi and starts poking his chest and talking about provocation it'd be declared "Based" or whatever. Xi is pretty much following the western professional behaviors guidebook - even down to his request (don't leak our private discussions) - but still getting talked down to.

# ? Nov 17, 2022 13:23

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

🤏🤏🤏

# ? Nov 17, 2022 13:31

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

it's mostly in the body language. i liked when he said "create the conditions" his hands gradually raise up like a drawbridge and then ka-bang

https://files.catbox.moe/1lpmbe.mp4

My read of this episode.

Trudeau came to Xi for a 10-min quick talk and whined about "China interfering Canadian politic" (and whined some more about Meng Wanzhou but that deal was over so there was nothing for Xi to response)

Xi probably was thinking "WTF is this guy talking about interfering internal politic" because it doesn't fit the Beijing modus operandi. Beijing influence other countries via business but soldam through opposition party. I can only think of Australia as the exception.

So Xi probably was sending inquiry back home and was going to give Trudeau an answer before the end of G20. But he hung up the phone and found out Trudeau leaked the whole thing to the press. So basically Trudeau was not filing a complaint with the manager, he was just trying making the complaint publicly on social media.

This pissed Xi off so he went up to scold Trudeau in front of the cameras. Trudeau was unprepared so he just gave canned libbrain answer. Xi heard the canned answers and threw hands up and left.

My reading is Xi was actually trying to engage all Anglo countries and do diplomacy with US allies. Xi already talked to the Germans before G20, talked to Macron in G20, was going to talk to France first but Biden cut the line and did that long 4 hours meeting first. 10 min with Trudeau, only one he didn't talk to was the new UK PM. Since UK is picking up Australia's baton of being the new anti-China cheerleader, so Xi won't meet Sunak in a harry. Plus, who knows how long he will last.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 13:57 on Nov 17, 2022

# ? Nov 17, 2022 13:55

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

stephenthinkpad posted:

My read of this episode.

Trudeau came to Xi for a 10-min quick talk and whined about "China interfering Canadian politic" (and whined some more about Meng Wanzhou but that deal was over so there was nothing for Xi to response)

Xi probably was thinking "WTF is this guy talking about interfering internal politic" because it doesn't fit the Beijing modus operandi. Beijing influence other countries via business but soldam through opposition party. I can only think of Australia as the exception.

So Xi probably was sending inquiry back home and was going to give Trudeau an answer before the end of G20. But he hung up the phone and found out Trudeau leaked the whole thing to the press. So basically Trudeau was not filing a complaint with the manager, he was just trying making the complaint publicly on social media.

This pissed Xi off so he went up to scold Trudeau in front of the cameras. Trudeau was unprepared so he just gave canned libbrain answer. Xi heard the canned answers and threw hands up and left.

My reading is Xi was actually trying to engage all Anglo countries and do diplomacy with US allies. Xi already talked to the Germans before G20, talked to Macron in G20, was going to talk to France first but Biden cut the line and did that long 4 hours meeting first. 10 min with Trudeau, only one he didn't talk to was the new UK PM. Since UK is picking up Australia's baton of being the new anti-China cheerleader, so Xi won't meet Sunak in a harry. Plus, who knows how long he will last.

xi playing diplomacy while everyone else is playing court intrigue.

# ? Nov 17, 2022 14:02

Kassad: Nov 12, 2005; It's about time.

stephenthinkpad posted:

Since UK is picking up Australia's baton of being the new anti-China cheerleader, so Xi won't meet Sunak in a harry. Plus, who knows how long he will last.

He was going to meet Sunak too but then the missile strike in Poland sent all the western leaders scrambling.

# ? Nov 17, 2022 14:07

ikanreed: Sep 25, 2009; I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Mantis42 posted:

The assassins are aristocratic separatists, and the emperor, though a villain in some ways, is advancing the dialectic by building the empire. It owns.

I really don't know how typical modern Chinese people view qin shihuang. He had a reputation as a brutal tyrant who enslaved everyone to maintain his war state, but also did a lot of really essential nation building to what is modern China.

# ? Nov 17, 2022 14:24

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

best Civ leader by a country mile

# ? Nov 17, 2022 14:37

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

stephenthinkpad posted:

🤏🤏🤏

# ? Nov 17, 2022 14:41

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

The whole Trudeau thing is weird, did anything important actually get leaked? The only thing I saw mentioned was just standard news poo poo where they talked about "stuff"

Also I am not sure anyone cares, I've only seen the video posted by Russian white supremacist and here.

# ? Nov 17, 2022 14:44

eSports Chaebol: Feb 22, 2005; Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

Lostconfused posted:

The whole Trudeau thing is weird, did anything important actually get leaked? The only thing I saw mentioned was just standard news poo poo where they talked about "stuff"

Also I am not sure anyone cares, I've only seen the video posted by Russian white supremacist and here.

it�s about diplomacy vs rules based order. obviously Xi believes in the former since China is excluded from the latter. but in the west we pretend diplomacy is part of the rules based order. and that�s why we should celebrate breaches of diplomatic decorum?!

# ? Nov 17, 2022 15:56

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

the west has gotten so used to getting their way that they've forgotten how to do even basic diplomacy, instead it's all some might makes right poo poo hidden behind a thin idealist veneer combined with a crippling inability to objectively evaluate the actual might of countries

# ? Nov 17, 2022 16:14

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Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Doesn't seem like the west thinks of it that as diplomatic decorum since there's constant news about so and so talked about this and that.

# ? Nov 17, 2022 16:15

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