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Wondering which First House employee was called up to write it for him?
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Crespolini posted:He posted his apology, where he basically admits the events. Dunno how this works exactly but I assume he'll be convicted now with whatever consequence that'll have? it's not obvious that this is something which gets you convicted on basis of the acts described. this will have been written in consultation with a lawyer, so it probably doesn't increase the probability of conviction. it's also a good thing that he wrote it - ali has already had a Pretty Rough time in the comments sections of the land and this will hopefully help a bit with that, as well as avoiding too much of a politicisation of the issue outside of the crankier corners of society. IANAL, but from a straightforward letter of the law the statement "you are too dark-skinned to be here" seems to pretty straightforwardly satisfy the racism paragraph unless there's some kind of "just a joke bro" clause in practice - both parties seem to agree that it was a bad attempt at comedy rather than a statement of sincere belief, but i don't know whether that's at all relevant.
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Nov 15, 2022 20:12
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V. Illych L. posted:- both parties seem to agree that it was a bad attempt at comedy rather than a statement of sincere belief, but i don't know whether that's at all relevant. No, one party said that it was a bad attempt at comedy. The other party said that it was pretty much an assault.
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Nov 15, 2022 20:19
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She said it might have been an attempt at a joke, but that it doesn't really matter what the intention was when the result is the same. quote:Kanskje var det en mislykket vits, kanskje var det ren rasisme, kanskje mente han det ikke, uansett er det umulig for meg som en 24 år gammel svart kvinne å vite hva en 53 år gammel hvit berømthet prøver på. Intensjonen hans spiller likevel ingen rolle, for resultatet er det samme
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Nov 15, 2022 20:26
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Crespolini posted:She said it might have been an attempt at a joke, but that it doesn't really matter what the intention was when the result is the same. She also said that it might have been pure racism. To try and spin that as "both parties seem to agree that it was a bad attempt at comedy rather than a statement of sincere belief" is pretty dishonest.
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Nov 15, 2022 20:29
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Government before the election: https://twitter.com/moderaterna/status/1565659261744685056 Government after the election: https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/regeringens-nya-elstod-drojer-vagar-inte-lova-nar-det-kommer Spoiler alert It's never coming, because gently caress poor people.
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Nov 15, 2022 21:31
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Alhazred posted:No, one party said that it was a bad attempt at comedy. The other party said that it was pretty much an assault. i'm talking in the context of the criminal case here, to be clear - if one party says "it may have been X, Y or Z" and the other party says "it was X", it does not seem unreasonable to think say that the parties basically agree that it was X. i have no idea whether that makes any legal difference, though, as said. V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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Nov 16, 2022 13:17
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Also not a lawyer but I'm pretty sure there's a material difference between "it may have been X, Y or Z, I have no strong opinion" and "it may have been intended as X or Y but it was effectively and definitely Z" in that scenario.
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Nov 16, 2022 13:29
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i don't think the effect is in question at all. my only point here is that there is a claim about intention which doesn't seem to be challenged (which i call "agreement", which admittedly may have been a poor choice of word), and that i can imagine - again, i don't know if it's the case because it's not my wheelhouse - that this has some effect on the criminal case, which otherwise seems quite straightforward ("you are too dark-skinned to be here" taken straightforwardly seems to me to pretty clearly qualifiy as "å true eller forhåne noen, eller fremme hat, forfølgelse eller ringeakt overfor noen på grunn av deres (...) hudfarge eller nasjonale eller etniske opprinnelse") it's a caveat about a statement i'm not really qualified to make, not my interpretation of the situation in question
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Nov 16, 2022 13:40
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V. Illych L. posted:i'm talking in the context of the criminal case here, to be clear - if one party says "it may have been X, Y or Z" and the other party says "it was X", it does not seem unreasonable to think say that the parties basically agree that it was X. i have no idea whether that makes any legal difference, though, as said.
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Nov 16, 2022 15:21
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 It's been a real "the worst person you know made a great point" couple of days.
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Nov 16, 2022 16:15
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Lol, Swedish parliament just made it super illegal to be a whistleblower if it is related to Swedish relations to other countries. So shining a light on obvious corrupt international bullshit will get you jail time. Why can't we have nice things? https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/riksdagen-beslutar-om-grundlagsandring-spionerilagen-blir-tryckfrihetsbrott
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Nov 16, 2022 18:40
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Alhazred posted:
Well then hold on to your butt because I'm about to explain to you why Atle Antonsen is completely innocent: lmao no that motherfucker is guilty as gently caress are you kidding me. Yeah he has to go the route of trying to convince the court is was an attempt at a joke but even that is gonna be a stretch; you're actually not allowed to publicly mock someone's skin color even if you yourself find that amusing. The perception of the victim is paramount, her friend is not gonna loving go for the joke angle either, and the victim herself can't really believe it was a joke that hard either because she went and filed a police report. You don't do that for bad jokes. She felt genuinely threatened or attacked and anyone, ANYONE in their right mind would realize that. So even if he didn't intentionally do a racism, he did by gross negligence, and that's all you need. Drunkenness is irrelevant. That said the outcome of the criminal case is not certain and he very likely won't do actual time unless he has some priors I don't know about. He should do time though, it'd be an excellent example.
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Nov 16, 2022 19:35
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Potrzebie posted:Lol, Swedish parliament just made it super illegal to be a whistleblower if it is related to Swedish relations to other countries. So shining a light on obvious corrupt international bullshit will get you jail time.
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Nov 16, 2022 19:49
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God I am getting tired of all these fish farming companies making hugely disproportionate moves and blaming it on them maybe needing to pay more taxes at some point in the future. A tax that hasn't even had a proper inquiry yet. Sure, pause investment, that makes sense. But announcing imminent layoffs and blaming them all on an unimplemented tax is absurd. That those same companies get butthurt at the mere suggestion something else might be behind the decisions and how those conversations are being framed in the media makes me want to throw up.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:51
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Cynic Jester posted:God I am getting tired of all these fish farming companies making hugely disproportionate moves and blaming it on them maybe needing to pay more taxes at some point in the future. A tax that hasn't even had a proper inquiry yet. Sure, pause investment, that makes sense. But announcing imminent layoffs and blaming them all on an unimplemented tax is absurd. That those same companies get butthurt at the mere suggestion something else might be behind the decisions and how those conversations are being framed in the media makes me want to throw up. You're suggesting the hugely disproportional profits made off the backs of migrant workers, polluting vast stretches of UNESCO world heritage fjords to the point of sterilizing them and destroying sensitive local salmon spawning grounds should pay any kind of actual taxes? Incredibly rude. I'll have you know the salmon billionaires which are a real thing somehow being made in the last ten loving years will go starving into exile over this vile insult. Why, it's almost not even worth it to pay massive amounts of money to PR companies and lobby groups to blackmail our elected loving representatives mafia style with the economic well-being of 1/4 of local communities if they are forced to make merely obscene profits. I swear, if I hear another one of these loving people call themselves job creators one more time. You know what, why don't they loving move their fish farms and themselves to Switzerland too, probably get taxed a lot less. They like that right? Yes I am angry about salmon billionaires.
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Nov 16, 2022 20:59
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Hmm, e-Boks will not longer forward mail from authorities?
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Nov 16, 2022 21:18
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Hmm, e-Boks will not longer forward mail from authorities? If you're not currently doubly logged in and your app is current, you should see a little banner at the bottom of your inbox saying to click on it to receive messages from public authorities. Your brain will automatically filter it out, thinking it's an advertisement. Ask me how I learned this. 
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Nov 16, 2022 21:48
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Cynic Jester posted:God I am getting tired of all these fish farming companies making hugely disproportionate moves and blaming it on them maybe needing to pay more taxes at some point in the future. A tax that hasn't even had a proper inquiry yet. Sure, pause investment, that makes sense. But announcing imminent layoffs and blaming them all on an unimplemented tax is absurd. That those same companies get butthurt at the mere suggestion something else might be behind the decisions and how those conversations are being framed in the media makes me want to throw up. they have defeated this once before and have not yet been properly chastised by the political authority. they're flexing now and calculating that they're stronger than an unpopular government. in a sense it's perfectly rational, but it's entirely transparent that they're just loving around to try to keep their profits as high as possible. they're being bourgeois assholes, basically e. klassekampen today has a couple of good pieces about this whole business if you're interested V. Illych L. fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Nov 16, 2022 |
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Nov 16, 2022 23:06
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Inferior Third Season posted:You have to log in a second time inside of the e-Boks app with MitID specifically to receive posts from public authorities. The app also needs to be a somewhat recent version (this started around February, I think), so if you don't do automatic updates for your app, you may just not get them at all. Oh, I see, I see. Cheers! P.S. How much was the road police asking, if we factor in the interest rate?
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Nov 16, 2022 23:12
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there’s another story out now where atle antonsen apparently called a 20 year old in a wheelchair a loving vegetable and demanded they got up and walked like a normal person, then proceeded to grab the wheelchair and run towards a flight of stairs while yelling he’d throw them down it
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Nov 17, 2022 06:29
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I think Sweden should just give into all Turkish demands and join NATO. Then once they're in they'll just say gently caress no, we changed our minds about all that. Like what's turkey gonna do?
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Nov 17, 2022 09:02
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His Divine Shadow posted:I think Sweden should just give into all Turkish demands and join NATO. Then once they're in they'll just say gently caress no, we changed our minds about all that. Probably keep a bunch of formerly free Swedish citizens in prison for forever.
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Nov 17, 2022 09:50
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His Divine Shadow posted:Like what's turkey gonna do? Wait until sweden gives them what they want before they sign it?
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Nov 17, 2022 10:14
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TheRat posted:Wait until sweden gives them what they want
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Nov 17, 2022 10:43
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TheRat posted:Wait until sweden gives them what they want before they sign it? The point is to go back on your word after they've signed. But I forgot they wanted Sweden to hand over individuals, that's more difficult to renege on.
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Nov 17, 2022 11:03
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Yeah, un-torturing people is rather difficult.
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Nov 17, 2022 11:25
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repealing the expansions to the security state would probably hot happen either
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Sweden is already putting the kneepads on in preparation for an extended polishing of Erdogan's knob.
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Nov 17, 2022 11:35
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Jack Trades posted:Sweden is already putting the kneepads on in preparation for an extended polishing of Erdogan's knob. This is a lie. Ulf is short enough that he could slobber all over him while just standing during his visit to Turkey.
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lilljonas posted:This is a lie.  quote:Ulf is short enough that he could slobber all over him while just standing during his visit to Turkey. 
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Nov 17, 2022 12:06
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the turks are not stupid about this stuff, they've chosen some specific pre-accession concessions which would be very visible and unambiguous probably precisely because they don't trust sweden and finland to actually do what they want once their direct leverage is gone - rightly, as appears, given the apparent gap between the interpretations of the countries in question as to what they signed. the direct compliance may be reduced through other means, like fighter aircraft deals or something, but imo there's going to have to be some visible concessions on the nominal issues at hand, since those have been hyped a fair bit and the AKP doesn't want to give the MHP any more reasons to be mad than they have to.
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Nov 17, 2022 14:09
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Sweden can't legally hand over anyone. If they could, then the judicial system already would have handled it.
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i think you somewhat underestimate the degree of flexibility accorded to security services for matters of state, even if this isn't one of those rules that can be easily changed
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Nov 17, 2022 14:30
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Feliday Melody posted:Sweden can't legally hand over anyone. If they could, then the judicial system already would have handled it. Even if they could, it would just go all the way to European Court of Human Rights and I don't think that Sweden will leave EU and all European agreements to join NATO. Britain tried to send boat refugees to Rwanda, and that was shot down by the European Court. After all the Brexit huff and puff they still abide what the Euro lizard people tell them 👽
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Nov 17, 2022 14:54
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Nenonen posted:Even if they could, it would just go all the way to European Court of Human Rights and I don't think that Sweden will leave EU and all European agreements to join NATO. I wish the media could emphasize this. Instead of "Uh oh! Ulf is going to hand over those journalists!" They also connect this with the constitution change. Which won't even take effect for 4 years. Even then. On a European level. Is the suggested constitution change controversial? Or is it just Sweden that was unique to begin with?
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Nov 17, 2022 15:59
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People seem to have a lot more trust than I expected that SD/M/KD will care about laws when there is a chance to do some arms sales and ethnic cleansing.
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Unfortunately there's precedent for deporting innocent people to certain torture, no matter what the constitution, the EU or the UN Human Rights Commission has to say about it after the fact. All that's necessary is that the right country asks. The cabinet is perfectly capable of ignoring the constitution if they feel like it. The mechanism that's supposed to prevent this is konstitutionsutskottet, but that's just a parliamentary subcommittee so unless the misconduct is so blatant that there's a vote of no confidence against the cabinet, the worst thing that's likely to happen is a slap on the wrist.
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Was about to say, it wouldn't be the first time if they black bagged some poor fuckers for Erdogan.
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Well that's good then, no need to change any laws!
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