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Blockhouse posted:I'm glad romance is going to be a thing because it shows the game isn't going to be 100% grimdark bullshit Don't rule out 100% grimdark romance.
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CottonWolf posted:Don't rule out 100% grimdark romance. It'd depend on your definition of grimdark- it is my strongly-held opinion that watching a traitor planet burn in nuclear fire, while holding hands with your Sororitas waifu, is neither grim nor dark in both the figurative and literal senses 
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Nov 17, 2022 21:08
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pentyne posted:For $200 you should be able to gently caress the statue
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Went to look at the new Steam page to see if there was anything otherwise new, and man the content warning sure is something lol quote:MATURE CONTENT DESCRIPTION
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Anno posted:Went to look at the new Steam page to see if there was anything otherwise new, and man the content warning sure is something lol 
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Blockhouse posted:I'm glad romance is going to be a thing because it shows the game isn't going to be 100% grimdark bullshit Of the companions currently revealed, definitely the navigator. Strange always gets folk's attention. pentyne posted:The thing about Chaos corruption is when you go deep into it, it's everywhere, and literally tears open holes in reality around you at it's worst. Speaking of, I wonder how they plan to handle this since the lore means that the "Chaos" path is actually four different paths depending on the patron. Wonder if they'll opt to let you align with either of the four or pick one and really flesh out that path. The Pathfinder games would imply they prefer to go wide, rather than deep, but those were Kickstarters and they got locked into a lot of underdeveloped feature because of stretch goal promises.
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This Wenduag line of talk is confusing me, as I've never seen her viewed as the fan favorite character or the fan favorite romance. She might be more popular than Lann - and even that feels like a stretch - but it very much feels more like a very vocal minority rather than most fans actually liking her. On the RT side, actually reading through their listed articles makes it look like the next companion introduced is going to be an Inquisitor. The newest article is "How to: Inquisition" and similar articles ("How to: Warp Travel", "How to: Imperial Creed" and "Nature of the Aeldari") have immediately preceded the reveals of Cassia, Sister Argenta and Yrliet. Plus, you know, ending with a mention of an Interrogator of Holy Ordos boarding the ship.
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Nov 17, 2022 21:48
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Anno posted:Went to look at the new Steam page to see if there was anything otherwise new, and man the content warning sure is something lol Now that is a content warning.
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Nov 17, 2022 21:51
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Lord Koth posted:On the RT side, actually reading through their listed articles makes it look like the next companion introduced is going to be an Inquisitor. The newest article is "How to: Inquisition" and similar articles ("How to: Warp Travel", "How to: Imperial Creed" and "Nature of the Aeldari") have immediately preceded the reveals of Cassia, Sister Argenta and Yrliet. Plus, you know, ending with a mention of an Interrogator of Holy Ordos boarding the ship. I don't think an Inquisitor would be a companion, they're too powerful for that. Having an Interrogator seconded to a Rogue Trader though? That sounds perfectly possible.
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Nov 17, 2022 21:53
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You could have an Inquisitor working with you in a mutually beneficial partnership, as long as they weren’t subordinating themselves to you. It would actually be an interesting dynamic, it’s rare that CRPG companions are equally as powerful as the PC.
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Nov 17, 2022 21:55
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Oh gently caress, I'm a dumbass- it's also possible that the Inquisitor might be an important NPC, like Hilor was in Wrath- someone you can get respecs and generics from. Inquisitorial Acolytes would be good for skilled-yet-expendable fodder, after all.
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Nov 17, 2022 22:01
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Yeah, inquisitors are barely even subordinate to the Inquisition ordo they serve. If anything an inquisitor might attempt to ensnare a new, naive rogue trader and put them under the inquisitor's thumb somehow.Zephro posted:I like how a pile of sandbags can stop a lascannon shot dead. It must be special super-tough Future Sand! Pretty sure that's a multi-laser turret. They were a thing in the Dawn of War games. The model looks basically identical, too.
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Nov 17, 2022 22:02
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Yeah, it's not unheard of for Inquisitors to lean on Rogue Traders as resources or even partners. If nothing else, it's handy to know somebody with a ship capable of interstellar travel who also does not show up in any paperwork. Apart from that RTs can be a good source for xeno artifacts for the more radically inclined inquisitors.
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I believe "Here's your warrant of trade, go have fun!" is an acceptable form of retirement for an Inquisitor. Whether voluntarily or the equivalent of being 'kicked upstairs' if your rivals want you out of the way.
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It's also harder to underemphasize the authority an Inquisitor has. Literally everyone except Space Marine chapters have to accept the orders of an Inquisitor without question, including things like "Hey, Battlefleet officer, go glass this planet" The key source of conflict for the Space Wolves wrt the Imperium is solely due to them pissing off some Inquisitors and having a fleet sent to attack their homeworld, and the only way it ended was the Inquisitors agreeing to leave, telling the Wolves "don't ever expect help" and the Wolves promising to shoot any Inquistor ship on sight. Meanwhile the ruling council of Inquisitor power brokers decided "lets just be slow when it comes to responding to any Tyranid/Chaos/Ork attacks on Space Wolves territory" It's also worth noting the only reason things ended as well as they did for the Wolves was that one of the original OG Space Wolves, Bjorn who personally knew the Emperor, was woken up and put into his Dreadnought because even the Inquisition would hesitate to attack him.
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pentyne posted:It's also worth noting the only reason things ended as well as they did for the Wolves was that one of the original OG Space Wolves, Bjorn who personally knew the Emperor, was woken up and put into his Dreadnought because even the Inquisition would hesitate to attack him. Eh, that's one big reason to be sure, but the other reason has to do with that authority you mentioned. Technically, an Inquisitor of any rank does have the power to order anyone short of the First Founding Chapters, High Lords and God-Emperor around, but practically, that power is a lot more fluid. Sure, a newly-minted Inquisitor can attempt to order the captain of an Imperial warship around, but unless that Inquisitor has resources outside a bunch of fresh-faced Acolytes, they're going to suffer an unfortunate 'accident' sooner or later. An Inquisitor Lord accompanied by veteran Acolytes, and who regularly plays regicide with the local Segmentum Battlefleet admiral on the other hand, is going to get a warmer reception to their orders- sorry, 'polite requests'. All this is to say that I have no doubt that the Inquisition would have willingly done a whole lot more damage to the Wolves had Bjorn not been there, the reactions from the other First Founding chapters be damned. Especially since the Wolves don't have any known Successor Chapters to their name, nor a lot of political power or acumen (compare and contrast to the Ultramarines, who have all three in spades). This is also why most Inquisitors tend to play things safe with Rogue Traders, as RTs and their retinues are some of the few people who might have the ability to take on an Inquisitor and their retinue one-on-one. Furthermore, unlike Inquisitors, RTs are used to handling things by themselves away from any kind of Imperial support, which is the exact opposite of how the Inquisition operates. An RT onboard their ship is the master of a massive domain with the size, population and military power of a small city, while an Inquisitor is just a dude*. *EDIT: Not that a lone Inquisitor isn't a badass, let's be clear- after all, becoming an Inquisitor by definition means that you're not just a badass, but a badass several times over. It's just that a lot of an Inquisitor's power is derived from the Imperium's institutions and their soft power within those institutions, while a Rogue Trader has a lot of hard power that extends absolutely, but only as far as their voidship, and not much further. CommissarMega fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Nov 17, 2022 |
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I just want to pit the Xenos and Hardliners against each other in my party while traveling around
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CottonWolf posted:Don't rule out 100% grimdark romance. There's a decent chance someone will be infected by genestealers at some point. And that someone will probably be very interested in making xenos-hybrid monster babies.
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Agreed. There's a vast gulf between 'Inquisitors have unlimited authority' in law and the actual realities of 'How far can an Inquisitor push, before someone pushes back' which very much depend on his status, reputation and current circumstances.
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the wolves bodied two entire legions before the crusade even kicked off, so an individual inquisitor might act up they'll never get the institutional support to take on a pre-heresy strength 'chapter'. also, tarantula turrets being completely incapable of killing anything is totally board and rules accurate.
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one of the bits of Judge Dredd DNA that has stuck around in 40K fiction is that in the fascist nightmarescape of the Imperium the Dawn of War voice line is 100% accurate: there is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt. if you are an imperial bigwig, you are guilty of heresy. no exceptions. the imperium is a mass of contradictory laws that nobody can feasibly obey all of even if they wanted to, and most of the time for good reason they don't want to. A Rogue Trader who doesn't carry any obvious signs of heresy is a million times more suspicious than the guy wearing a couple pieces of eldar jewelry, because you know Captain Goody Two Shoes is trying to keep the inquisition away from his REAL bullshit.
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Hype for this game despite never managing to finish either Pathfinder videogames.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Hype for this game despite never managing to finish either Pathfinder videogames. I just turned on cheats for the last arc of Wrath of the Righteous tbh
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boo boo bear posted:the wolves bodied two entire legions before the crusade even kicked off, so an individual inquisitor might act up they'll never get the institutional support to take on a pre-heresy strength 'chapter'. That has never been confirmed and going by the words of BI authors, never will. And Space Wolves do not have "pre-heresy strength" numbers, they were absolutely decimated when Russ made a hail-Mary run at Horus. They are generally assumed to have at most roughly double the numbers of regular chapter (13 Great Companies). And the Wolves were not up against an individual inquisitor but dozens of them, under the nominal control of an inquisitor lord who called in another chapter of Space Marines, who were suspiciously subordinate to the Inquisition and oddly worshipful of the Emperor as a god... It's the Black Templars who have far greater numbers than would normally be allowed. Also, basically all Dark Angels successors ("the Unforgiven") are secretly under the chain of command of their progenitor and will come if called.
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The backstories presented by Darktide are pretty good examples of the poo poo going on in the Imperium. I played a Veteran Guardsman who was put on a prison ship to be executed for the crime of saying lunch tasted bad. (Other potential backstories for the arrest were stuff like, not moving out of the way quick enough when a magistrate was walking by, or saying this wealthy priest is probably a bit too flashy with his wealth)
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Warden posted:Also, basically all Dark Angels successors ("the Unforgiven") are secretly under the chain of command of their progenitor and will come if called. The Ultramarines, for all their talk of Codex compliance, are also suspiciously close to their Successors.
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Warden posted:That has never been confirmed and going by the words of BI authors, never will. it's been confirmed. see my previous post for confirmation. one hundred thousand wolves. MonsterEnvy posted:The backstories presented by Darktide are pretty good examples of the poo poo going on in the Imperium. I played a Veteran Guardsman who was put on a prison ship to be executed for the crime of saying lunch tasted bad. (Other potential backstories for the arrest were stuff like, not moving out of the way quick enough when a magistrate was walking by, or saying this wealthy priest is probably a bit too flashy with his wealth) the character creator is awesome, everyone looks so tired and dead inside.
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boo boo bear posted:it's been confirmed. see my previous post for confirmation. one hundred thousand wolves. What are you babbling about? Is this a bit?
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boo boo bear posted:it's been confirmed. see my previous post for confirmation. one hundred thousand wolves. I thought it was the details of the two lost legions that would never be confirmed.
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CommunityEdition posted:I thought it was the details of the two lost legions that would never be confirmed. You are right, the details of the two legions will never be fully confirmed. The most we have is that their Primarchs did something so super-bad that the other Primarchs had their memories altered to hide the details in addition to full-blown damnatio memorium, and that was a compromise negotiated by Guilliman and Dorn in return for not having the two lost legions completely purged. What was done with the lost legion marines has never been confirmed, but it is hinted that they might have been taken in by Ultramarines after being mindwiped. However, the second part about "100 000 wolves" is simply not true. The Wolves got almost completely destroyed during the Heresy (they made a suicide run at Horus and almost pulled it off, but Russ messed up at the last moment) and barely had the numbers for one successor chapter (the Wolf Brothers) who came to a bad end. The wolves do not follow Codex Astartes (10 companies of 100 marines each organized into ten-marine squads, plus the specialists, drivers and pilots), being instead organized into 13 Great Companies with varying numbers, with a Great Company having a couple of hundred marines, tops.
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I hope instead of corrupting your companions to Chaos, most of which would not be down, you just get like, Chaos style replacements. Like instead of a Space Wolf you get a Red Corsair or somethinf
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Buschmaki posted:I hope instead of corrupting your companions to Chaos, most of which would not be down, you just get like, Chaos style replacements. Like instead of a Space Wolf you get a Red Corsair or somethinf The issue is giving the replacements time to shine/develop themselves before the end-game. Swapping Space Wolf  and  for Red Corsair  and  wouldn't be as entertaining. Plus it may be a bit tiring/weird if, effectively, a whole new game starts half-way (or however far along) through a 'regular' game should you choose to go a Chaos-corrupted route.
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It’s an Owlcat game; halfway through still leaves several normal games worth of playtime to get through. Actually, is there a sign of how long it will be? The last two games benefitted from having entire published campaigns to build from, so I don’t know how much extra legwork will be needed here. Unless this game ends up encompassing a huge chunk of already published Rogue Trader material and they’ve just been keeping it on the down-low, of course.
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CommunityEdition posted:It’s an Owlcat game; halfway through still leaves several normal games worth of playtime to get through. If the 100 GB of min requirements in the steam page are any indication of game size and not just a random filler number of everything being uncompressed, it will be pretty big.
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Zephro posted:I like how a pile of sandbags can stop a lascannon shot dead. It must be special super-tough Future Sand! Obviously all the sand got superheated into glass. The next shot will destroy the cover!
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LashLightning posted:The issue is giving the replacements time to shine/develop themselves before the end-game. Swapping Space Wolf I would imagine any Chaos route would probably look like the Lich route from WotR.
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Warmachine posted:I would imagine any Chaos route would probably look like the Lich route from WotR. Or Swarm, though I suppose Lich would be closer, yeah. That said, I don't think they'd go down the routes of individual Chaos Gods, at least to start with. Maybe something for an expansion pack, or Black Crusade 
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Warmachine posted:I would imagine any Chaos route would probably look like the Lich route from WotR. You'd have to take to 100x further. Canon Lore is now (I think) that Chaos is so powerful that a single person exposed to it could bring about the ruin of an entire planet given enough time. It's like a psychic meme, but it takes over and corrupts like a literally 100% effective virus. The lore has been pretty inconsistent in the past. The Cain novels have the protagonist as being educated and fully aware of the Chaos gods, to the point of knowing that they fight each other all the time, and the troops should stay back and let the opposing Chaos troops fight it out before stepping it. It's treated as a big deal and even some of the other Commissars try to execute him for knowing about it/talking about it. Then you get the Space Wolves thing, where literally everyone that comes into incidental contact with Chaos is purged, and Space Marines are mind-wiped. The story had the Inquisition Leader glassing an entire planet because the Wolves stopped to refuel at a orbital space station due to "risk of chaos contamination". Then you have the Grey Knights, who are specifically trained to fight Chaos, but also so secret that learning about them gets you killed or mind wiped. I'd prefer more of the Cain novels lore, where the educated/upper class is aware of Chaos and it's a thing but not like, "Hey, ever heard of Khorne" results in the planet getting sterilized days later.
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The Rogue Trader books have a powerboard that is so rad people "refuse" to believe it exists and I demand it shows up in the game tia
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JamMasterJim posted:If the 100 GB of min requirements in the steam page are any indication of game size and not just a random filler number of everything being uncompressed, it will be pretty big. Yeah, file size is hard to go by in these days of uncompressed audio. There's a lot of something, but it could be grimdark diaries.
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