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comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

this is at least the second ratings bug where players are rated lower than they should be confirmed by blizz


it's possible there are other ratings bugs if there's been this much nonsense

also a 3rd:
"Addressed multiple leaderboard issues causing inaccurate placement and ordering"

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Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


Decided to try a comp game in tank (haven't bothered doing placements) and it was crazy fun, ended up 4v5 as someone in our team left just as we capped first point in Kings Row in overtime, then managed to eke out a win as the other team C9ed.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

WE MUST RETURN TO THE DANCE! THE NIGHT IS OURS!

BabyRyoga posted:

Give it a couple days

Dont think so. Winston takes a good amount of skill to get the max utility out of him and RH is still an ult sponge and easy to play around. I'm sure they could be the top picks, especially winston at high levels but they arent OP, easy to play (dominate with little thought) and can easily out damage every dps like Zarya could

edit: would be great if Blizzard could release a patch without the match servers going to poo poo

Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Nov 17, 2022

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/overwatch/23875435/overwatch-2-developer-blog-season-1-updates-with-new-executive-producer-jared-neuss

tldr: they may rework the battlepass a little in future because they're worried about how even their tame streamers are trashing it

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.
Last night got me so down. I was playing at like 2:00 Arizona time on PS5 which was a really weird time to play OW1 and now that the population is ticking down a bit in OW2 I think is now as well but the game just couldn't find me any equally (un)skilled opponents so I'm just trying to tank or DPS against the same platinum tank that kept getting matched against me (maybe he avoid teammated me in an early match I was with him for sucking so much who knows) after like 10 minutes of wait time and he was just absolutely wrecking and no one on my team including me had the skill to beat this Grandmpa Munster motherfucker Sigma and like I just felt like such a loser because I couldn't compete. I managed to eliminate him twice over four matches. I was trying to eliminate the healers but he'd always get the barrier up whenever my charge shot was ready and never let me get anywhere close when I was a tank or tried reaper. Just wrecked wrecked. Glad I had a morning meeting and didn't spend all night chasing a win I guess.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

comedyblissoption posted:

this is at least the second ratings bug where players are rated lower than they should be confirmed by blizz


it's possible there are other ratings bugs if there's been this much nonsense

also a 3rd:
"Addressed multiple leaderboard issues causing inaccurate placement and ordering"

how the gently caress does a bug like that even happen

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Gravitas Shortfall posted:

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/overwatch/23875435/overwatch-2-developer-blog-season-1-updates-with-new-executive-producer-jared-neuss

tldr: they may rework the battlepass a little in future because they're worried about how even their tame streamers are trashing it

it's pretty clear they flubbed it on the battlepass, which is unusual considering that it's become a complete industry standard at this point. i think it's likely they floated it as a trial balloon to see how much milk they could get with a minimum of moo, but i wouldn't be surprised if they pivoted back more into something like what league or apex do with more free content stapled on

i'm genuinely curious what their big ideas for support are, because i can't really see anything working outside of playing support giving you priority tank/DPS queues on your next game. aside from the usual multiplayer game hero syndrome thing where people don't want to play supports, the support role has some big structural issues, namely:
  • it's an outrageously high pressure role due to you being the #1 priority target, and you dying has a considerably higher impact on the ability for your team to maintain a coherent line and not fall into staggered respawn hell
  • it demands much higher concentration and focus than either tank or DPS, since you're constantly being forced to monitor two completely different groups and balance your attention between them in a way that won't let other people die but which also won't get you killed
  • a lot of the support heroes require a specialist mindset or a lot of work to eke value and enjoyment out of them. lucio is undeniably strong, but he's only strong if you're willing to practice wallriding extensively, and he's otherwise just a rollerskating TF2 dispenser with a fart gun. mercy is similarly undeniably strong, but she's boring as piss to anyone who plays an FPS predominantly to shoot other people within the frame of the first person. brigitte is (probably?) strong in the right hands, but she's a huge lead weight if you don't know how to position properly in a role that can't really afford to have lead weights in it. that's nearly 40% of the extant support roster in just those three heroes
i obviously enjoy a lot of the aforementioned, but it's clear that most people playing OW2 don't, and you can't really do too much about the first two with how the game is currently structured. the third can be addressed with more supports that appeal to a broader cross-section of the playerbase, and i think kiriko is their first real stab at that, but the glacial pace of hero releases blizzard's had in the past doesn't inspire much confidence

Herstory Begins Now posted:

how the gently caress does a bug like that even happen

the answer a lot of the time in programming is some combination of "legacy code we forgot about" and "someone didn't put the right number down"

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

I dreamt... I was a butterfly

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Giving you one priority que for every 3 support games would go a long way to fixing que times.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

they already tried that

priority queue for playing the least desired roles doesn't help queue times at all

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



i'm still seething, malding, etc. however many years later that they took the incredibly cool mechanic of matrix wallrunning and paired it with the guy whose primary fire has all the force and power of a sternly written letter

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

Bread! BREAD! BREAD!
I logged in to Overwatch this morning and got a little award notification in the main menu for something relating to Sojourn, but I can't see it anywhere in the hero customization/player avatar/etc screens. Any idea what it could be?

e: Oh, it's a new highlight intro, I guess?



But uh, how am I supposed to know what I'm unlocking just by logging in without context or a recent unlock history? I swear, this game is frustratingly opaque at times. :psyduck:

E2: Seriously, TF2 did this aspect way better years ago. If you got a random unlock, you would get a clear notification that would wait for you to click on it, then give you a full screen info box on what exactly you unlocked.

Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Nov 18, 2022

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!

Vermain posted:

i'm still seething, malding, etc. however many years later that they took the incredibly cool mechanic of matrix wallrunning and paired it with the guy whose primary fire has all the force and power of a sternly written letter

this is no doubt fully intentional though, they very clearly don't want DPS to have particularly engaging movement options, especially something that isn't explicitly a "press L-Shift to Do The Thing". the wallclimb is like the closest thing and that's not really something you practice or particularly "techy". maybe pharah and junk's sorry excuses for explosive/conc jumping, and that's really stretching it.

btw this is exactly why the next support just needs to straight up be the Soldier from TF2, blizzard is obviously cool with support classes having more advanced movement tech so just give one straight up rocket jumping. make his rockets hit like a wet noodle i guess, and idk his M2 shouts heals at people. then you can pop his banner for an ult that gives everyone big lifesteal.

Just Chamber
Feb 10, 2014

WE MUST RETURN TO THE DANCE! THE NIGHT IS OURS!

So how can they fix Junker Queen? Because my god she feels so bad and honestly I'd rather any other tank on my team except her right now.

teagone
Jun 10, 2003

That was pretty intense, huh?

Make her self-healing wound mechanic more powerful/last longer maybe. Also change something with her shout again, lol. Also maybe make carnage cooldown reset after getting an elim like Genji dash. I wanna be swinging that axe constantly.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Why is there a delay on the axe swing? Makes it impossible to land.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Why is there a delay on the axe swing? Makes it impossible to land.

I think the idea is the enemy is being propelled to you by your throwing axe as you start the big swing.

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
A good buff to supports is a button that you press that doesn't let your DPS leave spawn after a lost fight until everyone is grouped up

SadisTech
Jun 26, 2013

Clem.
What about a support ability like some sort of nano-bomb that set up a zone of light team healing and light enemy healing reduction? Like ana nade but over time instead of splash AOE. They could get a lot more interesting with stuff than they currently are.

Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
sometimes i feel like the way people talk about playing support is a psyop aimed to keep the queue times down by making people think it's miserable instead of actually cool

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Countblanc posted:

sometimes i feel like the way people talk about playing support is a psyop aimed to keep the queue times down by making people think it's miserable instead of actually cool

Yeah, I don't understand the bellyaching I really enjoy playing support. It can get frustrating because you have to rely on your team to get actual results but no position can actually accomplish anything useful by itself anyway.

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

I fight with
my brain
and with an
underlying
hatred of the
Erebonian
Noble Faction
I don't think support is necessarily harder to play as. I think you'll eat a disproportionate amount of blame for every problem. And I think there are too few of them compared to other roles. That's it. You want queue times down? Either add more supports or find a way to cut DPS in half.

Edit
Make different roles queues with different selections of characters on different seasons. Balance around the new queues. It'd be a ton of work, but it'd also be less stagnant.

Overwatch hosed itself trying to be League of Legends instead of Team Fortress.

Veryslightlymad fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Nov 18, 2022

Mister Fister
May 17, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
KILL-GORE


I love the smell of dead Palestinians in the morning.
You know, one time we had Gaza bombed for 26 days
(and counting!)
Extensive reinhardt guide. I like this content creator because he aggregates a lot of tips from the best streamers/coaches (like spilo).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHCaY4dtHtk

Rick
Feb 23, 2004
When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.
Love that the first game I play feature's a Mei actively icing the party off from contesting the truck with a number's advantage.

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

people just have to come to terms with the fact that support aren't 'healers' they're bang bang gunpeople like everybody else. they just happen to have some support abilities. once you realize this support is great

BabyRyoga
May 21, 2001

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
The PREMIUM battle pass is about equal to what I would expect to get out of a free battle pass.

They need to make the current premium what the free BP gets and give more poo poo to premium pass holders. Maybe make it so you can't buy the BP with the in game currency and award 2000-3000 in game currency over the course of a pass.

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺
Mei's back baby

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Yeah, I don't understand the bellyaching I really enjoy playing support.

Have you tried Zenyatta.

Veryslightlymad
Jun 3, 2007

I fight with
my brain
and with an
underlying
hatred of the
Erebonian
Noble Faction

Calibanibal posted:

people just have to come to terms with the fact that support aren't 'healers' they're bang bang gunpeople like everybody else. they just happen to have some support abilities. once you realize this support is great

The only "support" I trust is Soldier 76, and that's because I can force him to heal me by letting him also take damage.

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺
I dont play a lot of dps or even tank nowadays but when i do i win more and rank higher than i do on support and i assume its because i pick around my supports and just let them do their thing. Even a dps moira can be played around but when youre on support trying to pick based on your team is frustrating as hell

SadisTech
Jun 26, 2013

Clem.
so here's something interesting: I have my primary/secondary fire keys swapped for Mei so LMB is icicle, and after the patch doing that has also swapped build/cancel on Ice Wall which made the game I just had on her very confusing indeed. Doesn't look like there's any way to swap it back, either.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Support is ALWAYS the number one priority target in any teamfight.

They have removed half of the tanks.

Tank roster in general has less ability to protect teammates than they did in OW1.



All of the above is just straight up facts.
Couple that with the idea that Supports aren't designed to be able to do much to advance the objective on their own, because they have half the damage output of everyone else, and no wonder nobody wants to play Support.

It's the most stressful role with absolutely zero payoff.

They need to allow every tank to protect their healers somehow because most of them can't do poo poo about opponents just walking/shooting past them to get at their healers.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Calibanibal posted:

people just have to come to terms with the fact that support aren't 'healers' they're bang bang gunpeople like everybody else. they just happen to have some support abilities. once you realize this support is great

Is this what kids these days call "copium"?

Sure you can "bang bang" with your 50-100 dps loving nerf guns as much as you want but outside of Bronze you're going to be nothing but dead weight if you do that.

BabyRyoga
May 21, 2001

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

Jack Trades posted:

Support is ALWAYS the number one priority target in any teamfight.

They have removed half of the tanks.

Tank roster in general has less ability to protect teammates than they did in OW1.



All of the above is just straight up facts.
Couple that with the idea that Supports aren't designed to be able to do much to advance the objective on their own, because they have half the damage output of everyone else, and no wonder nobody wants to play Support.

It's the most stressful role with absolutely zero payoff.

They need to allow every tank to protect their healers somehow because most of them can't do poo poo about opponents just walking/shooting past them to get at their healers.

And as I mentioned before,

as a support you have eyes on the team more so than non-supports, so it's easy to get tilted at all the dumb poo poo people do.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

BabyRyoga posted:

And as I mentioned before,

as a support you have eyes on the team more so than non-supports, so it's easy to get tilted at all the dumb poo poo people do.

I'm not talking about people playing badly.
I'm talking about the way the game is designed right now creating an absolute hell for Support players purely mechanically.

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺

Jack Trades posted:

They need to allow every tank to protect their healers somehow because most of them can't do poo poo about opponents just walking/shooting past them to get at their healers.

I dunno how op zarya actually is but one of the things that feels satisfying about her and the only reason i actually pick her atm is because of the sheer amount of dive protection she offers supports.

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

Veryslightlymad posted:

The only "support" I trust is Soldier 76, and that's because I can force him to heal me by letting him also take damage.

Telling people to switch to soldier if they want heals is one of my favorite things to do

Gravitas Shortfall
Jul 17, 2007

Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.


Jack Trades posted:

Sure you can "bang bang" with your 50-100 dps loving nerf guns as much as you want but outside of Bronze you're going to be nothing but dead weight if you do that.

a lot of the things you say are right but not this one, literally every tips video from high-ranking support players constantly says things like "you can't just be a healbot" and they're right.

it's just real loving difficult and your team is going to scream at you for anything other than jamming heals up their rear end.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Gravitas Shortfall posted:

a lot of the things you say are right but not this one, literally every tips video from high-ranking support players constantly says things like "you can't just be a healbot" and they're right.

it's just real loving difficult and your team is going to scream at you for anything other than jamming heals up their rear end.

Alright, yeah. That's probably right.
Either way it still reinforces my main point that Support is the most stressful role to play with little to no pay-off.

I've just read that blog post Blizzard made and they are pretty much confirming the same idea there too.

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Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
what if they added a second tank who could bounce back and forth between protecting the first tank and, if needed, the supports? It would also give something else for the DPS to play around and could help contest the point

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