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Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1593997906691907584

"Polish patriot", huh? wonder what else Jozef Pilsudski stood for

he stood for anti-racist

quote:

As Zimmerman recounts, Piłsudski had a vision of a multilingual and multiethnic Poland that respected the rights of minorities, especially Jews. That earned him the enmity of nationalists who wanted a Poland run for ethnic Poles.

# ? Nov 20, 2022 19:49

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# ? May 26, 2024 00:27

Calibanibal: Aug 25, 2015

Starsfan posted:

The idea of Russian Orcs fouling the soil of Ukraine with their corpses is deeply upsetting to me, a true Ukrainian patriot

Yup. Spores. Give it 5 years these invader cemeteries will be crawling with baby orclings

# ? Nov 20, 2022 19:56

Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

they shooting up the nuke plant again today for some dumb rear end reason

# ? Nov 20, 2022 19:57

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

V. Illych L. posted:

i'm increasingly coming around to the view of fascism as the violent insistence of the capitalist system in the face of that system's failure. even when there's no credible alternative, one has to be invented because the failures are obvious

Hard to see it as anything else now tbh.

Used to think it was reactionary to socialism/communism or even powerful trade unions. But no, it's reactionary to capitalist internal contradictions increasing and remaining unresolved.

On the bright side, that means humanity might be rid of it once capitalism is stamped out. On the less bright side, it means we will never be rid of it unless capitalism is stamped out.

# ? Nov 20, 2022 20:06

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Atrocious Joe posted:

he stood for anti-racist

Yeah, there was open discrimination against Jews across the interwar period, it just hardened in the run up to the war.

��

Arguably it took 3 crises in the space of a generation for capitalism to resolve itself. The first two (WW1 and the Great Depression) created the deterioration needed for fascism while the Second World War resolved it by ending European economic autonomy from the US.

More recently the Great Recession and COVID have shown some parallels with previous crises but arguably the result is indecisive. There is an obvious split between the American elite who believe China will allow continuity for Western capitalism this avoiding a crisis and those who are ready to hit the panic button.

I would say Ukraine is fairly indicative of the way things are going.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 20:34 on Nov 20, 2022

# ? Nov 20, 2022 20:12

Zeroisanumber: Oct 23, 2010; Nap Ghost

Calibanibal posted:

Yup. Spores. Give it 5 years these invader cemeteries will be crawling with baby orclings

Orcs are born full-grown with genetic memory making them capable warriors upon emergence you rube, you loving ignorant!

# ? Nov 20, 2022 21:00

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Stumbling over random Russia watcher poo poo when looking up names lol. A tragedy made of multiple tweets.

https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1579134861839040512

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1579197343802720256

https://twitter.com/StdOlga/status/1538475156426960896

quote:

In my opinion, the change of commanding officer in the Russian Airborne Troops was passed unnoticed. Perhaps it was for the best. For those in the know, the news is good. The troops were headed by Hero of Russia Mikhail Teplinsky. He received the Hero's Star for Chechnya. For the first Chechnya....

@voenkorKotenok

https://twitter.com/antiputler_news/status/1537792985106096137

quote:

Russians killing Ukrainians will now be commanded by...a Ukrainian

Colonel-General Mykhaylo Teplinskyy is likely to be appointed as the new commander of the Airborne Forces.

He is a native of the Donetsk Region.

https://twitter.com/Unknown73711911/status/1591259758488883200

Putin finding no name generals who are very good at their jobs and putting them in charge so they can be later blamed for all the not screwing things up they're doing.

# ? Nov 20, 2022 21:21

PoontifexMacksimus: Feb 14, 2012

Honest Thief posted:

https://twitter.com/Tr0llyTr0llFace/status/1594049374916870144

the turn from a non-crypto guy to a nafo is wild

https://twitter.com/Penguinr90/status/1594027859038769154?t=a9nQXMjFjqdDlnUni1ARkQ&s=19

Not even counting the dead Nazis!

# ? Nov 20, 2022 21:41

PoontifexMacksimus: Feb 14, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1593997906691907584

"Polish patriot", huh? wonder what else Jozef Pilsudski stood for

Ban the AP and put them on trial

# ? Nov 20, 2022 21:45

PoontifexMacksimus: Feb 14, 2012

V. Illych L. posted:

it is a bit impressive that they're working themselves back into fascism by militant anti-communist revisionism at a time where *there is no credible communist movement*. your house is falling apart on its own merits, stop insisting that it's the fault of the monster under the bed

genericnick posted:

Yeah, the idea that the threat of Communism pulled the political center into fascism might have been a bit charitable, as it turns out.

What the fascists are being mobilised against isn't Communism but the last remaining compromises of 19th and 20th century bourgeois democracy. We already have de facto Gulf State migrant labor apartheid in most Western countries, soon the rest of the Third World package of colonial governance will come home to roost

# ? Nov 20, 2022 21:52

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

Военный Осведомитель posted:

Гранатомётчики из числа мобилизованных военнослужащих с выстрелами ПГ-7ВР на Чебаркульском полигоне в Челябинской области.

@milinfolive

_{(from t.me/milinfolive/93582, via tgsa)}

short guys carry the rpg ammo

# ? Nov 20, 2022 21:56

January 6 Survivor: Jan 6, 2022; The
Nelson Mandela
of clapping
dusty old cheeks

( o(

I don't think those backpacks were really made to carry the tandem warheads rockets but good job on stuffing high explosive where it's not really meant to go

# ? Nov 20, 2022 22:05

PoontifexMacksimus: Feb 14, 2012

V. Illych L. posted:

i'm increasingly coming around to the view of fascism as the violent insistence of the capitalist system in the face of that system's failure. even when there's no credible alternative, one has to be invented because the failures are obvious

I still maintain my opinion that at least radical or revolutionary fascism actually represents an attempt to humanise capitalism by dressing an identical system of brutal extraction in a moral and mythological garb. In that way it's related to the White Man's Burden, except the desperation of crisis reduces the moral horizon to just the national in-group.

# ? Nov 20, 2022 22:08

PoontifexMacksimus: Feb 14, 2012

Zeroisanumber posted:

Orcs are born full-grown with genetic memory making them capable warriors upon emergence you rube, you loving ignorant!

Hang on, then what are Snotlings?

# ? Nov 20, 2022 22:14

Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Hang on, then what are Snotlings?

i googled it and read 2 paragraphs of the wikia page:

one of several fungal species in the ork ecosystem responsible for agricultural fungus production and squig husbandry and serving as punchingbags for their larger cousins. legends say they are all thats left of the original ork species, da brain boyz, who cultivated the different types of ork before mysteriously disappearing.

# ? Nov 20, 2022 22:19

Zeroisanumber: Oct 23, 2010; Nap Ghost

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Hang on, then what are Snotlings?

Orcish subspecies designed to be the muck-rakers and possible food source.

# ? Nov 20, 2022 22:25

iCe-CuBe.: Jun 9, 2011

Ardennes posted:

Yeah, there was open discrimination against Jews across the interwar period, it just hardened in the run up to the war.

��

Arguably it took 3 crises in the space of a generation for capitalism to resolve itself. The first two (WW1 and the Great Depression) created the deterioration needed for fascism while the Second World War resolved it by ending European economic autonomy from the US.

More recently the Great Recession and COVID have shown some parallels with previous crises but arguably the result is indecisive. There is an obvious split between the American elite who believe China will allow continuity for Western capitalism this avoiding a crisis and those who are ready to hit the panic button.

I would say Ukraine is fairly indicative of the way things are going.

Yeah China is just gonna keep making all our poo poo for ultra cheap in smogstack factories while we design new emojis for them to use on Slack. To be honest we should be getting more out of them.

# ? Nov 20, 2022 23:42

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

Zeroisanumber posted:

muck-rakers

investigative journalism has its place

# ? Nov 20, 2022 23:54

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

iCe-CuBe. posted:

Yeah China is just gonna keep making all our poo poo for ultra cheap in smogstack factories while we design new emojis for them to use on Slack. To be honest we should be getting more out of them.

Don't worry the increasingly poorly educated generations of westerners will soon only be able to communicate using emojis because the lowering standard (no child left behind) will eliminate the written word from the curriculum.

# ? Nov 20, 2022 23:56

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

if imperialism is the final state of capitalism, fascism can be thought of as what capitalism turns into when outward expansion fails and has to turn inwards

# ? Nov 21, 2022 00:13

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Lostconfused posted:

I see someone is mad that Germany lost WWI.

More that Poland lost the areas it conquered shortly after I think.

SplitSoul posted:

*Austrian

That's a type of German.

euphronius posted:

The Roman empire was a pretty big deal

Yeah I'd like to see figures for the Turkish empires too.

# ? Nov 21, 2022 00:13

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

DancingShade posted:

Don't worry the increasingly poorly educated generations of westerners will soon only be able to communicate using emojis because the lowering standard (no child left behind) will eliminate the written word from the curriculum.

Functional societal illiteracy is the future, just think the money to be made with more advanced pictograms

# ? Nov 21, 2022 00:15

Atrocious Joe: Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/KyleSimchuk/status/1594113562091610112?s=20&t=4hwmlOhYfTM-Y4bVKrbKCw

# ? Nov 21, 2022 00:21

lobster shirt: Jun 14, 2021

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/KyleSimchuk/status/1594113562091610112?s=20&t=4hwmlOhYfTM-Y4bVKrbKCw

it be like that sometimes

# ? Nov 21, 2022 00:29

Calibanibal: Aug 25, 2015

PoontifexMacksimus posted:

Hang on, then what are Snotlings?

they call em tankies now

# ? Nov 21, 2022 00:31

Proust Malone: Apr 4, 2008

crepeface posted:

if imperialism is the final state of capitalism,

# ? Nov 21, 2022 00:39

Ferdinand Bardamu: Apr 30, 2013

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/KyleSimchuk/status/1594113562091610112?s=20&t=4hwmlOhYfTM-Y4bVKrbKCw

lol

# ? Nov 21, 2022 00:39

F Stop Fitzgerald: Dec 12, 2010

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/KyleSimchuk/status/1594113562091610112?s=20&t=4hwmlOhYfTM-Y4bVKrbKCw

lmao

# ? Nov 21, 2022 00:42

Cpt_Obvious: Jun 18, 2007

crepeface posted:

if imperialism is the final state of capitalism, fascism can be thought of as what capitalism turns into when outward expansion fails and has to turn inwards

If imperialism is the final stage of capitalism, fascism is the terminal stage.

# ? Nov 21, 2022 00:48

Cpt_Obvious: Jun 18, 2007

It's when every liberal attempt to compensate for the internal contradictions have been exhausted, and the only options left are to do the same thing but more so.

# ? Nov 21, 2022 00:50

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

https://twitter.com/GabrielCSGavin/status/1593677538152386561

# ? Nov 21, 2022 00:50

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

genericnick posted:

https://twitter.com/GabrielCSGavin/status/1593677538152386561

what in the world lol

# ? Nov 21, 2022 01:01

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

genericnick posted:

https://twitter.com/GabrielCSGavin/status/1593677538152386561

this sounds like buying russian gas with extra steps

# ? Nov 21, 2022 01:04

Mandoric: Mar 15, 2003

DancingShade posted:

Don't worry the increasingly poorly educated generations of westerners will soon only be able to communicate using emojis because the lowering standard (no child left behind) will eliminate the written word from the curriculum.

And then we simply replace the emojis with hanzi.

# ? Nov 21, 2022 01:08

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/this-is-hell-they-torture-us-the-town-vladimir-putin-desperately-wants-20221117-p5bz7f.html

For a Western media article this has a surprising amount of interviews with Ukrainians unhappy with their government. Not surprisingly, the general opinion of Ukrainian civilians stuck on the front lines in Bakhmut is 'this loving sucks' and 'our government and Russia are both poo poo, all we care about is just getting them to stop fighting'

quote:

He says all the trouble comes from the fact that Ukraine and Russia can’t come to a peace agreement.

“Everyone sticks to their position,” he says.

“You need to look for a compromise and you have to repent. And that’s when you can have dialogue. You have to forgive all the evil that you have done to each other and repent.

“It’s very hard for us all, a lot of people have been killed, buildings destroyed. We don’t want war … This is my home town and now look at it. Nobody would wish this on his hometown.”

Serhiy, 46, lives in an apartment building with his wife and children on the west side of the city, but spends most of his time in a tent out the front where he and his neighbours have constructed a makeshift stove.

He served in the Ukrainian army in the 1990s, which he says makes it easier to tell whether a hit is nearby or not and if it is incoming or outgoing.

“When there’s a hit nearby, my son starts panicking and runs down to the basement,” he says. “But my daughter and my son-in-law have adapted already. They follow my commands.”

Serhiy says his relatives elsewhere in the country now look down on him because they believe he doesn’t show support for Ukraine in the war.

“Because of their media, they have a cold attitude towards us because they think we’re separatists now,” he says. “Look at me, the separatist!”

He says his mother lives in Russia, and he occasionally goes to a place in the city where he can get mobile reception to talk to her.

“Just like me she doesn’t care about politics, all she cares about is our family,” he says.

“She doesn’t see the difference between Ukraine, Russia, China or Japan. Just like the language, it doesn’t interest her.”

His neighbour Anatoli, 56, says he has a brother in the annexed territory Crimea and they both hope the war will end soon.

He lays the blame on both Russia and the United States for the war.

“As long as Russia and the United States don’t come to some sort of agreement, the war will go on,” he says.

We find two local council workers, Kateryna, 69, and Mykola, 63, working on a garden in the centre of town. They say turning up to work each day and cleaning up their city gives them strength amid the shelling.

“We were born here, our ancestors were born here, this is our city. We went to a Ukrainian school and we had Ukrainian classes,” Kateryna says.

“Everything is OK.”

About 500 metres away, the body of a 76-year-old lies under rubble from a shelling attack the previous day.

...

Oleksandr, 69, and his wife Lidia, 69, both blame Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for escalating the war.

“It’s been going on for eight months, we are living in a hell. There are lot of you [media] here but you don’t help at all,” Lidiya says.

“The president [Zelensky] should have brought us peace, we trusted him … he needs to take responsibility for the people. Why did 73 per cent of Ukrainians vote for him? Because he promised peace.”

The couple say previous attacks have come from the Ukrainian side, not the Russians, and suggest the attack on their building came from the Ukrainian soldiers.

“On the radio I keep hearing it’s all Russia. But the khokhols are lying,” Oleksandr says using a derogatory Russian term for Ukrainians.

“Take Zelensky away and take Putin away. Get new people to sit down and negotiate. You need to start negotiations straight away, but these guys won’t come to an agreement.”