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LividLiquid posted:They were freakin' awesome and I'm sorry you didn't enjoy them, but don't tell me what I should or should not find embarrassing in a franchise that also features a racist cartoon stepping in poop. edit: loving page snipe. I Luthen to be a washed out jedi. Not a sith, not a jedi, just a failed padawan.
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Soonmot posted:edit: loving page snipe. I Luthen to be a washed out jedi. Not a sith, not a jedi, just a failed padawan. going to laugh when Luthen turns out to be like Petro from Clone Wars And also, I love the idea of the Mod kids, but like most things in Boba Fett that wasn't the Tusken Raiders/Mando S2.5 stuff, it was handled and executed like absolute poo poo.
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zoux posted:Boba Fett was just wildly inconsistent, turning him into a balls-out, zero-complications good guy made no sense and was absolutely not what the audience wanted to see out of a Boba Fett series. I didn't think Obi Wan was that bad, I really liked the stuff involving just Obi wan and Vader. This actually would have been good if they'd bothered to commit. If they'd pulled a Black Sails and had Boba Fett take over Mos Espa at the head of a joint Tusken Raider anti-colonial rebellion and an alliance of criminals. The worst mistake of BoBF was killing off the Tuskens for cheap pathos.
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tony gilroy in interviews has casually mentioned the kind of difficulties luthen has to overcome in pulling together disparate groups, so i think luthen getting got is out of the question
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Soonmot posted:edit: loving page snipe. I Luthen to be a washed out jedi. Not a sith, not a jedi, just a failed padawan. He's a clone of Plagueis, the entire rebellion was just part of a complicated revenge plot against sheev
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Dexo posted:And also, I love the idea of the Mod kids, but like most things in Boba Fett that wasn't the Tusken Raiders/Mando S2.5 stuff, it was handled and executed like absolute poo poo. The idea of street punks who entwine their identities with investing in and maintaining fancy bikes is an interesting one, but they were just so out of place in Tatooine. The bike designs didn't make sense in the context of Star Wars, and the outfits all looked like bad cosplay. Not to mention that dumb-as-hell little spin the guy did before firing his blaster, and the god-awful chase scene that was only outdone by the sheer incompetence of the foot chases in Obi-Wan. Star Wars has always been pulpy space opera action, but then there's... whatever the gently caress Robert Rodriguez slapped together for BoBF
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Remember when she was sort of interesting and were trying to figure put what angle she was working, what they'd do to develop her character, when we'd find out more, how she fit into everything and it turns out the answer was "well bad guys come and blow her up?" https://twitter.com/Katankryze2477/status/1594078251604901889?s=20&t=Surivy3eP-qsLutkSwsMxw
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404notfound posted:The idea of street punks who entwine their identities with investing in and maintaining fancy bikes is an interesting one, but they were just so out of place in Tatooine. The bike designs didn't make sense in the context of Star Wars, and the outfits all looked like bad cosplay. Not to mention that dumb-as-hell little spin the guy did before firing his blaster, and the god-awful chase scene that was only outdone by the sheer incompetence of the foot chases in Obi-Wan. Star Wars has always been pulpy space opera action, but then there's... whatever the gently caress Robert Rodriguez slapped together for BoBF Cutting out your bike designs bit below, but everything else I agree with. In the end they sucked. I think a lot of the suckyness of Boba comes down to execution and the fact that it was plotted like horseshit and the characterizations weren't right. Everything you list as a negative actually works, logically, with the kind of counter culture they were cribbed from. Young punks rebelling against the tatooine aesthetic makes perfect sense. There is just so much more they could have done to show what these people were about that they didn't end up doing and so ultimately they failed. Like you give the Andor crew the same concept and even the same bike designs and I bet it is executed just 100x more brilliantly and lands. Whatever the gently caress was going on with Rodriguez and COVID and LFL during filming will remain a mystery. 404notfound posted:The bike designs didn't make sense in the context of Star Wars This bit is just untrue and I fully disagree with it!! Jerkface posted:I'm home now so I can properly go back over these scooters. Anyone saying the scooters in BOBF are not "star wars" is almost 100% complaining about the metallic color finish on them. They have classic star wars speeder bike elements every where else. The one two punch of Book of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan will always be just a crazy weird run of very bad star wars. Its just inexplicable!!!
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404notfound posted:The idea of street punks who entwine their identities with investing in and maintaining fancy bikes is an interesting one, but they were just so out of place in Tatooine. The bike designs didn't make sense in the context of Star Wars, and the outfits all looked like bad cosplay. Not to mention that dumb-as-hell little spin the guy did before firing his blaster, and the god-awful chase scene that was only outdone by the sheer incompetence of the foot chases in Obi-Wan. Star Wars has always been pulpy space opera action, but then there's... whatever the gently caress Robert Rodriguez slapped together for BoBF I disagree there, Tatooine is like the perfect spot for that subculture to pop up. Bunch of Kids modifying themselves and bringing some color to a planet of dirty broken down things, is theoretically a cool story. Most of the problem is still in just how bad the like general lighting and cinematography was in Boba Fett. That did them absolutely no favors. Like Boba Fett's armor looked like poo poo and that is something that we know is supposed to work well there.
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zoux posted:God I hope not. Not just because I love Skarsgard and would hate to lose another season of him, but I don't think Mon Mothma is at a place where she could credibly assume the lead of the rebellion. Plus, the pay off of her story is going to relate to her family, and she's probably going to cross some rubicon that binds her irrevocably to her path I could be down for a season of internal power struggle for control (both ideologically and materially) of the Rebellion, ending with Mothma leading the "main" rebel coalition and Saw and others eventually being excommunicated (leading to his marginalization/death in Rogue One). Mothma playing financial hardball with the more extreme factions would be fun.
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The bikes literally look like bumper cars from the old days.  They looked like something from an entirely different universe. E: and just as slow 😅
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The people of Tatooine don’t make aesthetic fashion choices. They’re literally dirt poor lol.
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I dunno, the Lars homestead, seemingly everyday farmers, could afford to buy a few slaves, had at least two cars, and their kid even had a racing aircraft.
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The mods would have worked literally anywhere else, but these smart and clean looking kids who have bright and immaculate candy painted bikes somehow also couldn't afford water...
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CubanMissile posted:The people of Tatooine don’t make aesthetic fashion choices. They’re literally dirt poor lol. lol. Being dirt poor in industrial society is literally the basis for the emergence of subcultures. Parkingtigers posted:The mods would have worked literally anywhere else, but these smart and clean looking kids who have bright and immaculate candy painted bikes somehow also couldn't afford water... What do you think they were using the water for? How do they keep their scooters so clean? WhiskeyWhiskers fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Nov 20, 2022 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:lol. Being dirt poor in industrial society is literally the basis for the emergence of subcultures. Tatooine isn’t quite LA.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I dunno, the Lars homestead, seemingly everyday farmers, could afford to buy a few slaves, had at least two cars, and their kid even had a racing aircraft. Yeah, and the relatively well off yeoman farmer's car had faded rear end paint cuz that's what happens to paint in the desert, very quickly. The pastel scooter gang could not be anything other than bored rich kids.
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CubanMissile posted:Tatooine isn’t quite LA. It doesn't need to be LA, you still see emergent youth subcultures in places like Botswana.   
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Fair enough, but everything that got translated to the screen was still cringe as hell in my opinion.
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Posts bashing production design and plot holes pop up when the writing, acting, and directing aren't enough to cover for them. BoBF tried a wild strategy of building up to an Avengers-style showdown finale with a show that was 25% flashback and 25% a different show, leaving almost no time to establish any meaningful connections with a bunch of characters you're supposed to root for.
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The mod squad are a good concept but they needed to either be background characters or to have actual development and personalities. You only have to look at Chief Inspector Hyne or Syril's mum or the imperials on Aldhani or Brasso to see that Andor's done a stellar job of characterising minor characters in a short amount of screen time, and the mods needed to have that level of care or to be something like the bell ringer.
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Azhais posted:He's a clone of Plagueis, the entire rebellion was just part of a complicated revenge plot against sheev Plagueis wasn’t human, he was a Muun, so that would just raise further questions!
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the mod squad should have been sold as cringe instead of cool, the same way "we" would cringe at a 'white trash' subculture of monster energy drink, fox clothing, and eminem
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:It doesn't need to be LA, you still see emergent youth subcultures in places like Botswana. All these people could be on BoBF and would fit in.
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Vintersorg posted:All these people could be on BoBF and would fit in. No, they'd stand out too much for being actually badass.
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I wonder what Jeans Guy is up to
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Parkingtigers posted:No, they'd stand out too much for being actually badass. lmao You’re right.
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Owlbear Camus posted:Remember when she was sort of interesting and were trying to figure put what angle she was working, what they'd do to develop her character, when we'd find out more, how she fit into everything and it turns out the answer was "well bad guys come and blow her up?" all that buildup for a Untouchables gag, smh
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Another bummer about BoBF is that the mod leader was played by Sophie Thatcher, who previously starred alongside Pedro Pascal in the movie Prospect, which is much better than that series. 
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Prospect is a great movie and absolutely insane given the budget
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Are they going to swap Maarva's brick for a brick of C4 and put that in the wall of the hotel?
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thank you all for reminding me about the interminable droid factory sequence, can't believe i forgot about that so droids aren't truly sentient, they're just programmed to seem that way?
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my cat is norris posted:thank you all for reminding me about the interminable droid factory sequence, can't believe i forgot about that The general canon seems to be that they start out being basically interchangeable tools with a stimulated personality to make it easier to work with them, and if they don't get their memories wiped they develop more elaborate and complex sapience over time. So some droids are fully sapient people and others are basically roombas with a Siri interface and some basic machine learning.
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Droids are the product of their trauma, just like humans! Hakuna robota.
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They're either sentient or capable of convincing others and themselves that they are. At the start of the first movie, C3PO and R2D2 argue with each other when nobody is around to hear them, and then C3PO mutters angrily to himself when he's alone. So if they're pretending to be sentient they're doing it for nobody's benefit.
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Left to their own devices long enough, they eventually develop their own religion and proselytize. Gonk. Gonk. Gonk ko kyenga see.
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CubanMissile posted:Fair enough, but everything that got translated to the screen was still cringe as hell in my opinion.
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