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KPC_Mammon posted:My insane conspiracy theory is that we are playing a spy for a second chaos faction and most of the maps and plot are under embargo because they involve loving up imperial guard. All of the player voice acting is highly heretical in nature, with what are clearly Khornate zealots and Tzeentch psykers. People keep talking about how they can't trust us and everyone is suspicious of each other. The game could pull a KOTOR. that would be amazing but theres no way
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Sharkopath posted:Same in darktide, according to that trailer. Oh gently caress yeah.
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Medicae are cool, I had one say something about healing my ravaged body.
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terrorist ambulance posted:i mean, sort of. I don't mind waiting, but if they can't keep the population up, it's a lot less fun. these types of games are fun when a bunch of people are playing them and queue times are short. so let's hope they get it fixed up in time to keep people interested Yes? Yes.
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KPC_Mammon posted:My insane conspiracy theory is that we are playing a spy for a second chaos faction and most of the maps and plot are under embargo because they involve loving up imperial guard. All of the player voice acting is highly heretical in nature, with what are clearly Khornate zealots and Tzeentch psykers. People keep talking about how they can't trust us and everyone is suspicious of each other. The game could pull a KOTOR. The most unrealistic part of this is that there's going to be any more maps
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Considering the ship you do the prologue on doesn't blow up or anything when you leave it(and indeed appears to be mostly intact) I will not be surprised if we return to it in a future update or DLC for some missions to try and reclaim it
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Kobal2 posted:The ogryn's job is to be in front of you. look, the ogryn actively moving in the way of my shots while I'm trying to shoot the gunner murdering the team is going to be unhelpful every time. I don't see what's controversial about this. Either way it's mostly moot from where I stand, I play zealot with a flamer or psyker 99% of the time.
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CODChimera posted:what do you guys think of the pilot? Ammo!
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This is all picking nits. People are going to block shots, hoover ammo, and shoot when it's suboptimal. You can either internalize your mental boogeyman and inch closer to the disconnect button every time an ogryn blocks you or a vet shoots an enemy when maybe he shouldn’t, or you can rip the bong and chill. Like yeah there are people who do those things but I've seen people jump to conclusions about the quality of their team mates over a couple of bullets or a single mistake. Don't internalize the negativity. Hit more chaos.
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What's the good axe with the cleave again?
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drat the force sword rules. The alt charge-up followed by a strong can delete maulers instantly. The force push is very useful too. The crowd clearing is just barely adequate but that's a fair price to pay.
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Started an Ogryn character playing whatever the easiest difficulty level is called just to get a feel for things. Got a party with two lvl 20 something zealots both carrying flamers and chainswords. On the easiest difficulty level. Don't think I killed an enemy the entire run, just kinda jogged behind the rolling wave of destruction thinking "Is this fun? Is this what fun is?"
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Random Integer posted:Started an Ogryn character playing whatever the easiest difficulty level is called just to get a feel for things. Got a party with two lvl 20 something zealots both carrying flamers and chainswords. On the easiest difficulty level. Don't think I killed an enemy the entire run, just kinda jogged behind the rolling wave of destruction thinking "Is this fun? Is this what fun is?"
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Random Integer posted:Started an Ogryn character playing whatever the easiest difficulty level is called just to get a feel for things. Got a party with two lvl 20 something zealots both carrying flamers and chainswords. On the easiest difficulty level. Don't think I killed an enemy the entire run, just kinda jogged behind the rolling wave of destruction thinking "Is this fun? Is this what fun is?" Theres a bunch of level 20+'s just chain running level 2 difficulty missions because its barely a challenge and you can crank them out in like 15 minutes, the contracts system is kind of stupid in that it requires a ridiculous amount of missions done as a weekly which incentivizes just picking short missions (Manpart/Horn of Magnus all over again). Edit: Ogryn is by far the roughest start though. That newbie shotgun is just awful Fishstick fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Nov 23, 2022 |
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I shoot all the drat time. That ammo raid map with the security gate you have to defend? You bet I'm emptying my las rifle into the mob as they come from the hall and up the stairs, because every basic zombie I kill before they get to the main line is less pressure I have to deal with when I pull out my axe. Ammo is plentiful enough and most of my groups have a psyker anyway so there's less competition.
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Does the ogryn 1-1 feat gives 100% thoughness regen to the whole team or just the player? It's not really that clear.
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Fishstick posted:Theres a bunch of level 20+'s just chain running level 2 difficulty missions because its barely a challenge and you can crank them out in like 15 minutes, the contracts system is kind of stupid in that it requires a ridiculous amount of missions done as a weekly which incentivizes just picking short missions (Manpart/Horn of Magnus all over again). My main issue with the mission system is that it feels like a complete downgrade from established systems, lots of people bring up Deeprock and they're 100% right. Secondary missions are a complete afterthought and very clearly display a mentality of "well Vermitide had these so we should too". A month ago during the beta you didn't even get partial credit for 1 grim. What should have been done is some kind of basic reward where if you exit with all 3 scriptures or both grims you get an extra item drop reward, the most basic incentive. What makes it worse is that 3 scriptures is like 480xp and 2 grims are 760xp? But grims are an order of magnitude worse to do in terms of risk, for barely 300 extra xp? In fact my main assumption about the mission system was that there would be a daily and weekly "raid" type mission that you would be working towards as you play. An unlockable challenge mission that you earned progress for as you completed missions on the map.
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Demiurge4 posted:I shoot all the drat time. That ammo raid map with the security gate you have to defend? You bet I'm emptying my las rifle into the mob as they come from the hall and up the stairs, because every basic zombie I kill before they get to the main line is less pressure I have to deal with when I pull out my axe. Ammo is plentiful enough and most of my groups have a psyker anyway so there's less competition. Pretty much my thoughts on the matter, if your gun has a decent ammo pool it rarely hurts to trim down a wave of enemies a little before you engage in the mosh pit
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On difficulty 3+ or endless horde missions you pretty much have to shoot the crowds because there will no doubt be about eleveny billion gunners who will open fire within a second of being alerted and then scatter behind every piece of scenery around.
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Did a couple 3 ogryn missions yesterday. 10/10 would run again, lotsa smashing around and chain charges
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KPC_Mammon posted:The complaints I read from people about Ogryn makes me think most vets have never switched to melee and don't know how to dodge melee attacks to avoid getting murdered. You can't just stand still off to the side while in melee. You absolutely can if someone with a decent gun is firing into the horde.
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Either I got really lucky with latency spikes, or you can jump over mutants instead of dodging them. Twice now ive accidentally jumped over a mutant instead of side-dodging as ogryn, and twice it worked. I don't know if thats intended but I'm glad it works because it's fuckin hilarious.
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This isn't Vermintide, ammo is legit plentiful unless you're all running basic autoguns/shotties/whatever ammo inefficient poo poo. Especially if you're running lasguns, which do capture the feel of being ludicrously ammo-efficient in lore. I've hardly seen dudes run out of ammo in my games; if anything, most of the time you don't get to magdump because of stragglers/teleporters.
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Insert name here posted:Hey what's around this corn-- The emperor gave you those grenades for a reason
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toasterwarrior posted:This isn't Vermintide, ammo is legit plentiful unless you're all running basic autoguns/shotties/whatever ammo inefficient poo poo. Especially if you're running lasguns, which do capture the feel of being ludicrously ammo-efficient in lore. I've hardly seen dudes run out of ammo in my games; if anything, most of the time you don't get to magdump because of stragglers/teleporters. yeah that's one of the reasons i like the flashlight lasgun, 70 round mag and 700 ammo i finally tried the shotgun, 9 round mag and like 50 ammo??? and the alt fire reloads one shell but you can cancel the normal reload after one shell anyway? seems really bizarre and strange. it could be because i have a purple axe, which i assume that means its good, and melee always felt better/safer than the shotgun. i'm just going by vibes though
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CODChimera posted:yeah that's one of the reasons i like the flashlight lasgun, 70 round mag and 700 ammo The shotgun special is loading up a shell with a different, horizontal spread pattern, intended for use against hordes: 
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toasterwarrior posted:This isn't Vermintide, ammo is legit plentiful unless you're all running basic autoguns/shotties/whatever ammo inefficient poo poo. Especially if you're running lasguns, which do capture the feel of being ludicrously ammo-efficient in lore. I've hardly seen dudes run out of ammo in my games; if anything, most of the time you don't get to magdump because of stragglers/teleporters. I think ammo is generally pretty easy to manage, but that being said I just finished a mission at the smelter where there was 1 small ammo box in the entire final arena. We ran around prior to kicking off the event looking for ammo and thats all we could find, and we had to kill like 3 dogs, a trapper, 2 flamers, and some mutants while doing it which further depleted our ammo. When it got to the final wave holding part I was down to 5 bolter rounds and had to bank on getting the ammo back from elite killing to be able to kill the next elite, it was hairy! Was the scarcest I've seen ammo pickups be in a level, as there was hardly any on the run up to the final arena too.
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Perestroika posted:The shotgun special is loading up a shell with a different, horizontal spread pattern, intended for use against hordes: oh cool thanks. will try that out next time Fishstick posted:I like playing vet with ogryns around. If theyre manhandling an elite or a group of shooters I dont need to shoot it, and I can do other things like focusing solely on specials. Pop the gunners and enemies that they don't have the special eyes to see, and let them slap around the trash while you dump a grenade in their slap-pile every so often. Also bodyblocking works both ways, what you can't hit because of Ogryn flab, can't hit you. With 3 ogryns you have mobile cover everywhere even if theyre using starter equipment. yeah and there's also tons of elevation to use. Ogryns are probably my favourite class to see on my team
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Jerkface posted:I think ammo is generally pretty easy to manage, but that being said I just finished a mission at the smelter where there was 1 small ammo box in the entire final arena. We ran around prior to kicking off the event looking for ammo and thats all we could find, and we had to kill like 3 dogs, a trapper, 2 flamers, and some mutants while doing it which further depleted our ammo. When it got to the final wave holding part I was down to 5 bolter rounds and had to bank on getting the ammo back from elite killing to be able to kill the next elite, it was hairy! Yeah, ammo woes are usually overstated, unless you've got some rear end in a top hat pub firing like, two shots of his pistol and picking up more. Or picking up the deployable box and then just never putting it down despite multiple asks in text and voice saying "bro could you use that? All four of us are out". That being said, people get weird about the vet. Had a guy say i was shooting too much on the bridge horde defence (I had a braced autogun and I was having the time of my life, with more than enough ammo to spare). Had another dude get angry that i wasn't marking specials because "that's your loving job". I wasn't marking them because I was killing them, I only mark them when i'm reloading or can't otherwise deal with it right then and there. I'm also on the side of "its a bit rude to jump in front of a guy who's shooting specials". You don't even need to do that to "protect" them, just swing your giant rear end knife or whatever near me for the half second it'll take for me to finish murdering the gunner.
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 So uhhh. Starting from today my shop has only looked like this. Only ever two weapons, almost always out of my Trust level. Anyone got a fix? Because it is even harder trying to get an Evicerator now and it is literally all i want 
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Man, why does the sword for Zealot feel so much worse to use than the axe, or even the dagger.
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Heard a lot of hype for the power sword for the veteran and yeah, it lives up to the hype, I see no reason to touch any other veteran weapon because it is a pure upgrade over every other melee weapon and trivializes both hordes and elites with infinite 1 shot cleave for the cost of just a very short special action windup that costs nothing, should cost like 50% overheating each time you do it to be remotely balanced.
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Broken Cog posted:Man, why does the sword for Zealot feel so much worse to use than the axe, or even the dagger. Yeah I'm in the same boat.
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Cowcaster posted:zealots are the only class that has any benefits at all to not having max health and therefore the slimmest shred of an excuse to not use a medicae station that has four charges, right? it’s bolted to the wall folks you can’t take it with you and we’re not coming back to it later, just use the stupid thing Always use the medicae if no on else needs it, especially to remove corrupt. I've been playing zealot to 18 and I don't even think of the bonus damage from low health, it looks like you take health damage even if you have toughness up. Like maybe 1 hp per hit depending on what you're dealing with. The bonus damage from low health is hard to appreciate until it gets you downing mob with 1 less attack. And I'm not certain if it applies on ranged attacks but sure hope it does!
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