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hazardousmouse
Dec 17, 2010
poo poo, get you a niche and excel at it. well done, hyper specific italian industry. much better than my last workplace that had an engineer shrug and describe their manufacturing process as a black box because all the knowledgeable people quit

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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Cthulu Carl posted:

I saw a thing on the Science Channel where there's like one small Italian company that somehow makes all the door locks for washing machines in Europe - like that's all they do or have ever done, just cranking out washer and dryer door locks for decades upon decades.

All European washing machine brands that I know are from the same company, so it's not that weird. (Same with other "white" aplliances like refrigerators. They all have interchangeable parts apart from the front panel/door.)

e: One of those brands used to be Italian (Zanussi).

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Things that definitely aren't genocidal
https://twitter.com/PeterCorless/status/1595427647844032512?t=JXc7NlUhoHQRP2fClzox9Q&s=19

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

Just your next door blogger
https://twitter.com/thebell_io/status/1595106024842825736
Since the war broke out, Rybar has grown fast and landed some big advertising deals. That drew the attention of the intelligence services. While continuing its work, the channel is now obliged to publish material on behalf of the FSB, one source told The Bell

Sashimi
Dec 26, 2008


College Slice
What in the everloving gently caress? iirc that works out to about ten percent of Ukraine's pre war population?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Sashimi posted:

What in the everloving gently caress? iirc that works out to about ten percent of Ukraine's pre war population?

Their goal was ethnic cleansing and wiping out Ukrainian culture.

So this is entirely by design and they would've done it to the rest of the country had they taken Kyiv.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

the popes toes posted:

Just your next door blogger
https://twitter.com/thebell_io/status/1595106024842825736
Since the war broke out, Rybar has grown fast and landed some big advertising deals. That drew the attention of the intelligence services. While continuing its work, the channel is now obliged to publish material on behalf of the FSB, one source told The Bell

If you post a comment to a tweet it will include the previous comment. (E: thought it would include op but was mistaken)

https://twitter.com/thebell_io/status/1595108435800252416?s=20&t=dRz7x2vkGLqm8VJvVO4_Og

large hands
Jan 24, 2006

fish and chips and dip posted:

UK sending helicopters for Ukraine. Not exactly helicopter gunships, but it's something.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1595314635103682562



Would be a shame if they left all the anti submarine warfare electronics, sonobouys, torpedoes and depth charges on those "search and rescue" helicopters

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

10,000 shells is like what two days of shelling or so?

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Cthulu Carl posted:

I saw a thing on the Science Channel where there's like one small Italian company that somehow makes all the door locks for washing machines in Europe - like that's all they do or have ever done, just cranking out washer and dryer door locks for decades upon decades.

Maybe Russian washer door locks can't compete with Italian door lock science?

I should note that this is true for many industries and appliances. There are tons of mid-scale companies in Europe, but especially Germany, that are absurdly specialised in some tiny niche. You will never have heard about those companies, and they are typically headquartered in some completely unremarkable little town with 10-40 employees, and they make something without which entire production chains of modern products break down completely.

Dig a little into common appliances and you'll find components that have only a handful of suppliers worldwide, sometimes only one or two.

And this extends to factories themselves. Production lines the world over would slowly grind to a halt if some tiny company in Hintertupfingen (or the Italian or French or Dutch equivalent) stopped supplying them.

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Antigravitas posted:

I should note that this is true for many industries and appliances. There are tons of mid-scale companies in Europe, but especially Germany, that are absurdly specialised in some tiny niche. You will never have heard about those companies, and they are typically headquartered in some completely unremarkable little town with 10-40 employees, and they make something without which entire production chains of modern products break down completely.

Dig a little into common appliances and you'll find components that have only a handful of suppliers worldwide, sometimes only one or two.

And this extends to factories themselves. Production lines the world over would slowly grind to a halt if some tiny company in Hintertupfingen (or the Italian or French or Dutch equivalent) stopped supplying them.

I seem to remember china having to steal the tech to make ball bearings.

I just find it amazing that in the 30 years of the fall of the USSR, russia never tried to devople domestic production for those key things. like IC's and micro processors etc.

shadow puppet of a
Jan 10, 2007

NO TENGO SCORPIO


Imagine it’s your job to enforce the rules inside a Russian clean room for photolithography. What a treat that would be. You’d surely not end up dead in a week with a 5 kg block of fish frozen using ultra pure water sent to your parents.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Ups_rail posted:

I seem to remember china having to steal the tech to make ball bearings.

I just find it amazing that in the 30 years of the fall of the USSR, russia never tried to devople domestic production for those key things. like IC's and micro processors etc.

They did have a processor industry but they ended up buying better western stuff instead and their own electronics industry mostly withered on the vine.

edit: think this was in the 70s-80s.

Karma Comedian
Feb 2, 2012

70 missiles today. Send more AD

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1595437553393766400?t=MxbVkVEbPVcvQysAjbY5IA&s=19

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

https://twitter.com/kolezev/status/1595451117814484992

an old photo of the owner of Wagner being a good waiter serving a fellow war criminal

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

fatherboxx posted:

https://twitter.com/kolezev/status/1595451117814484992

an old photo of the owner of Wagner being a good waiter serving a fellow war criminal

Prigozhin: "poison mr president bush?"

Putin: "nyet not now"

Bush: "yes"

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Ups_rail posted:

I seem to remember china having to steal the tech to make ball bearings.

I just find it amazing that in the 30 years of the fall of the USSR, russia never tried to devople domestic production for those key things. like IC's and micro processors etc.

If they could have, they would've. It's something a middle income petro country of 140 million people genuinely just can't do. The Soviet Union did have some domestic semi conductor industries, but those were technologically very primitive. After the collapse they weren't competitive in a free market and without a massively oversized 80s tech military industrial complex buying the products, there was no point to keeping them around.

China has been spending vast resources over the last decade to try and build their own semi conductor industry and they are still not producing any high end components that are competitive. The west has some pretty substantial technological edge here.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



I wonder how the Kinburn Spit operation is going, and if they've actually gained any ground there

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007


I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.
Hell Gem

Ups_rail posted:

regarding the washing machines

not having one sucks.

I m suprised no one in russia has sought to build them domestically

Russia skipped toilets and washing machines in the tech tree to rush communism.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Ups_rail posted:

I seem to remember china having to steal the tech to make ball bearings.

I just find it amazing that in the 30 years of the fall of the USSR, russia never tried to devople domestic production for those key things. like IC's and micro processors etc.

You manage an appliance manufacturer. Do you:

a) spend many years and lots of money reinventing the wheel for a tiny part of the thing
b) buy the 2€ part from the company that has spend decades perfecting it

That's why Russia had a trade deficit with Germany, for example. It's a bit of a capitalism thing, outside of state intervention the latecomers face gigantic hurdles because all the product niches are already so well covered. And on top of that Russia has structural problems that drive away the kind of people you need to make the good stuff, so attempts to reach parity will run into systematised corruption that actively works against attempts to get better.

Tarquinn posted:

Russia skipped toilets and washing machines in the tech tree to rush communism.


The USSR was a lot better at basically anything compared to today's Russia.

Bacon Taco
Jun 8, 2006

Now with extra narwhal meat!
HAIKOOLIGAN
Dinosaur Gum

Antigravitas posted:

I should note that this is true for many industries and appliances. There are tons of mid-scale companies in Europe, but especially Germany, that are absurdly specialised in some tiny niche. You will never have heard about those companies, and they are typically headquartered in some completely unremarkable little town with 10-40 employees, and they make something without which entire production chains of modern products break down completely.

Dig a little into common appliances and you'll find components that have only a handful of suppliers worldwide, sometimes only one or two.

And this extends to factories themselves. Production lines the world over would slowly grind to a halt if some tiny company in Hintertupfingen (or the Italian or French or Dutch equivalent) stopped supplying them.

I worked for years at a medical device manufacturing company, and some of the parts we needed were so hard to manufacture that there would be 1 (maybe 2) places in the world that could make them. 75% of the time they were within a 300 mile radius of Chicago.

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
nposter
Nap Ghost

fatherboxx posted:

https://twitter.com/kolezev/status/1595451117814484992

an old photo of the owner of Wagner being a good waiter serving a fellow war criminal

whats with the kids in the creepy oversized butler uniforms

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1595325914056990721

Karate Bastard
Jul 31, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 12 hours!
Soiled Meat

Liquid Chicken posted:

Loot or Loo, same difference.

Lootin for Pootin

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Just Another Lurker posted:

They did have a processor industry but they ended up buying better western stuff instead and their own electronics industry mostly withered on the vine.

edit: think this was in the 70s-80s.

Also, something like 40% of it was in Bulgaria, so lol

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

GABA ghoul posted:

China has been spending vast resources over the last decade to try and build their own semi conductor industry and they are still not producing any high end components that are competitive. The west has some pretty substantial technological edge here.

When I ve read up on it, The chinese goverment set aside billions to developed their own domestic IC. A son of a connected CCP member lead a group took the money basically presented a Intel cpu with marking scratched off. Basically the funds for the project were stolen.

Also you dont need advanged IC for simple miltary poo poo.

This dude can make a 40 year old IC in his garage,


Antigravitas posted:

Russia has structural problems that drive away the kind of people you need to make the good stuff, so attempts to reach parity will run into systematised corruption that actively works against attempts to get better.


Good point, though if you want to run a world power you have chain the corruption up some how. Or try to gently caress around with your neighbors

RBA-Wintrow
Nov 4, 2009


Clapping Larry

Lord Stimperor posted:

When will an attractive Russian spy ever try to groom me? SMH.

Do you have security clearance? Asking for a comrade.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

mic go BRRRRRRR
https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1595470186991198208?s=20&t=o-fMlLplZqGRquank8yzsw
Edit: Also the Euro Parliment declared Russia a state sponsor of terror today and near-immediately came under cyber attack by KILLNET, a russian-sponsored hacking group
https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1595443471518777345?s=20&t=o-fMlLplZqGRquank8yzsw

Angry BIerds
Nov 3, 2022

by Fluffdaddy
Looking at Twitter and seeing a lot of stuff I'm not liking... not least this:

https://twitter.com/mattia_n/status/1595405943143104512

Considering much of the electrical grid uses Soviet-era parts and infrastructure, the duration of blackouts is likely to increase as that equipment becomes scarcer and harder to replace.

Surely the west can send electrical engineers to help with installing new equipment (as well as the equipment itself), as they are not in any way combatants?

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

KitConstantine posted:

....
Edit: Also the Euro Parliment declared Russia a state sponsor of terror today and near-immediately came under cyber attack by KILLNET, a russian-sponsored hacking group
https://twitter.com/EP_President/status/1595443471518777345?s=20&t=o-fMlLplZqGRquank8yzsw

I heard it was a DDoS attack, not exactly a sophisticated option but it gets the job done i suppose.

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
Playing with the thought of what to do when there's suddenly no more water and electricity.

Icochet
Mar 18, 2008

I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~

Grimey Drawer

Power Khan posted:

Playing with the thought of what to do when there's suddenly no more water and electricity.

Play Thirsty In The Dark, an old soviet parlor game

naem
May 29, 2011

Power Khan posted:

Playing with the thought of what to do when there's suddenly no more water and electricity.

1 gallon of drinking water per person per day for your household is a survivable goal to set if you want to get prepping

a five gallon bucket with an airtight lid and a big bag of cat litter can make an improvised temporary loo if it is unsafe to leave your house and there is no water service

some ready to eat high calorie canned food and you can be safe for a few weeks if needed.

longer than a few weeks and it is going to get very uncomfortable for a lot of people and my thoughts go out to them

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019


"I can't believe the USA has done this"

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Also lol "The MSM"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT0dF0PvLMQ

Pekinduck
May 10, 2008
https://www.electropages.com/blog/2022/04/manufacturer-resorts-salvaging-chips-washing-machines

There's a company out there that resorted to buying brand new washing machines just to desolder a chip they needed for their own stuff. If I had to guess I bet its a microcontroller, shortages of those have been real bad.

Lucky Guy
Jan 24, 2013

TY for no bm

Tarquinn posted:

Russia skipped toilets and washing machines in the tech tree to rush communism.

The decadent west spent millions of dollars to develop a toilet, the Russians just used... literally anywhere and everywhere, apparently

Oldsmobile
Jun 13, 2006

Ups_rail posted:

regarding the washing machines

not having one sucks.

I m suprised no one in russia has sought to build them domestically

Soviet Union had communal laundromats that would wash everyone's clothes.

There's a funny anecdote about a laundry that scrapped it's machines and got new ones. This was recorded and noticed in the 5 year plan and so every year after that they would have to come up with a laundromat's worth of scrap metal, which they then had to do in addition to washing everyone's clothes.

Oldsmobile
Jun 13, 2006

Power Khan posted:

Playing with the thought of what to do when there's suddenly no more water and electricity.

The biggest problems are heating, cooking and water.

If you just own some water jugs, you can use those and almost any governmant (probably not Russian) can start offering water from tankers after a few days unless you're right on the front lines of a war.

Cooking is harder, but you could use camping gear and make do for quite a while.

Heating is the hard part. Most apartments have minisplits or district heating and those will be out of commission right away. If apartment buildings had fireplaces, you could burn wood to stay warm, but they rarely do. A kerosene heater might work, but those are risky to use and need good ventilation.

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B-Rock452
Jan 6, 2005
:justflu:
In incredibly stupid Twitter news, someone tweeted a photo of Post Malone shooting with a well known Instagram shooter and said it was two Wagner soldiers in Ukraine and Newsweek somehow picked it up and ran a fact check on it.

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