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Just Winging It posted:Oh for sure, but I would've figured that even if she's not the smartest stick in the bundle that she'd not voice public approval of the two worst publicity dumpster fires in the West. Apparently I was wrong. At this point I think her social media has been entirely run by Stone for like 2 years at least, but she's still signing off on this. I just bring that up because recently some other niche internet micro celeb went to a jorp thing/got free tickets and I swear their post was like 95% identical, which makes me think there's some influencer junket they give you if you get a freebie.
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Just Winging It posted:For a career opportunistic grifter that's a remarkably poor choice of horse to hitch their cart to. If anything it kinda fits the profile of “get canceled, pander to people mad about cancel culture” which seems to be pretty common.
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Coolness Averted posted:At this point I think her social media has been entirely run by Stone for like 2 years at least, but she's still signing off on this. Scientology does that for actors/celebrities, and it seems to work so Peterson stealing that model doesn't seem far fetched. Also, this is the only place I can think of to ask this. I like the Glass Cannon podcast, has there ever been anything beyond being friends with Erik Mona/Paizo bad? I haven't seen anything, but I may have missed stuff.
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seaborgium posted:Also, this is the only place I can think of to ask this. I like the Glass Cannon podcast, has there ever been anything beyond being friends with Erik Mona/Paizo bad? I haven't seen anything, but I may have missed stuff. I don't think anything particularly heinous has come out about them, no.
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https://twitter.com/Levelupdice/status/1595508333066465280 The bespoke dice industry has finally found a way to go too far:  Honestly, I was expecting dice made from real human bones first.
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Nuns with Guns posted:https://twitter.com/Levelupdice/status/1595508333066465280 the part where it says "we did not understand the trauma of the holocaust" is very https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/apr/19/wayne-hennessey-is-desperate-to-learn-about-the-nazis-roy-hodgson-crystal-palace energy
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Dexo posted:Wait this is from 5 years ago 2017 was a very different era, before the world learned that nazis were bad and we probably shouldn't make and sell memorabilia celebrating them
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Tism the Dragon Tickler posted:Why are they just now apologizing for this? Probably caught wind of people noticing it and wanted to get ahead of it
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they did loving what and it took them HOW LONG to learn that Holocaust bad what the gently caress
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Tism the Dragon Tickler posted:Why are they just now apologizing for this? The cultural fallout from the Ukraine conflict has caused some re-examinations of things that might have skated-by in previous years (in this case the re-examination is, in my opinion, towards the positive, as opposed to something like expressing distaste for a Stalingrad boardgame released in 2022 because it supposedly "both-sides" the Eastern Front)
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gradenko_2000 posted:The cultural fallout from the Ukraine conflict has caused some re-examinations of things that might have skated-by in previous years Is that the zombie game with the spiral bound map book? Can't remember the name but I definitely found it worrying that the players were half Russian and half Nazi.
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Lumbermouth posted:Is that the zombie game with the spiral bound map book? Can't remember the name but I definitely found it worrying that the players were half Russian and half Nazi. 
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I mean they prooobably knew that Holocaust bad, but like a number of wargamers I've talked to, even ones who I know aren't Nazis or fasc, can get a weird obsession with the machinery of war finding it cool and would probably consider buying this stupid poo poo. They probably didn't think past "cool dice made of war poo poo" Which is a massive institutional problem of course.
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historical war games are not on the same level as nerd bait made from SS tanks jesus christ
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Comstar posted:Unrealized opportunity- melt down Russian t-90’s and make into 15mm wargame miniatures. I endorse this, especially if you melt down ones in active service.
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Dexo posted:I mean they prooobably knew that Holocaust bad, but like a number of wargamers I've talked to, even ones who I know aren't Nazis or fasc, can get a weird obsession with the machinery of war finding it cool and would probably consider buying this stupid poo poo. I could even see someone thinking it was a "swords to plowshares" kind of thing, but still just naw, man. Naw.
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moths posted:Ffffff is this from a third party review or promotional material? Polygon.com: Playing Nazi Germany against Soviet Russia is a tough sell in the year of our lord 2022 Undaunted: Stalingrad could be the best wargame of the year — just hold your nose
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Wait, like... dice actually made from Nazi tank scrap?? NGL, I would also have expected human bone dice first, in terms of really bad bespoke die material choices. (Maybe ashes suspended in resin? Something with human remains.) How do you even loving get to making dice out of scrapped Nazi tanks??
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Antivehicular posted:Wait, like... dice actually made from Nazi tank scrap?? it was a partnership with an Australian war museum
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Antivehicular posted:Wait, like... dice actually made from Nazi tank scrap?? It was in collaboration with some war museum. They got some tank side armor to melt down and cast as dice as limited "collector's pieces."  Given how long ago this all was, whatever stock the had has to have sold out forever ago? Maybe they realized they'd have to throw out some CYA ahead of another gimmick dice sale?
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Nuns with Guns posted:It was in collaboration with some war museum. They got some tank side armor to melt down and cast as dice as limited "collector's pieces." Oh, so the apology is five years later in anticipation of next month’s Human Bone Dice on Kickstarter.
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CitizenKeen posted:Oh, so the apology is five years later in anticipation of next month’s Human Bone Dice on Kickstarter. I looked around a bit and apparently they first got heat back in August after it was mentioned in a Polygon article and they put up an even worse apology back then: https://twitter.com/levelupdice/status/1560338547374059520 So I guess they decided they needed to slot this in ahead of Black Friday to make sure it didn't hurt sales too bad.
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Dang, I have no idea how I would have worded that release if I'd had to, but that geeking out about "the chosen tank of elite SS Panzerdivisions" is just... just dreadful.
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lol christ "we're sorry people might have been hurt by the news that we were making dice out of a Tiger, but actually it was out our hands cuz it's the museum that gets to pick the tank we can make dice out of... ... and instead we're making one out of a Panzer IV, and we're going to highlight that Panzer IVs were still used by the SS, so don't worry about losing that elite mystique!!!"
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One more fun detail to mull over ahead of this lovely Thanksgiving weekend: https://twitter.com/nonagondice/status/1595589197133496320
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Nuns with Guns posted:One more fun detail to mull over ahead of this lovely Thanksgiving weekend: What a shocking and unexpected twist.
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Nuns with Guns posted:One more fun detail to mull over ahead of this lovely Thanksgiving weekend: It's a very short list the kind of people who would've had an S.S. Tiger to donate. It's pretty much a few very tired and put-upon serious history people and Nazis.
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If this was dragging your rear end across Nazi poo poo and saying "Your war machines sucked and now your reich is gone, you fucks, we play games with your scrap" I could almost see it. That does not appear to be what this is.
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Just out of curiosity, because I really know nothing about historical wargames or their marketing: what are the ethical techniques for marketing and writing ad copy involving historical factions and events of this gravity? (Which I suppose could really be any historical war, but I'm mostly thinking of stuff on the Nazi scale, where things are still broadly within living memory with meaningful political implications.) How do companies not staffed by raging assholes square the circle of "for the game to work, players have to want to play both sides, so we have to hype them both as cool/powerful/exciting to play" with "this group is reprehensible and glorifying them in any way is morally inappropriate even for our morally-acceptable goal of selling people on playing this fun game we made?" This tank-dice poo poo is obviously grotesque, but how do the better voices in this hobby handle this issue?
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I'm not anywhere in the industry but if I were designing something like this I'd make it a game where all the players took the Allied side and an automatic system calculated how to move the Nazis, and then use it to simulate the historical scenarios where a much smaller Allied side defeated a greater force of Nazis (while also providing historical context notes explaining how battles like this were the exception rather than the rule because for the most part fascist logistics and supply chains are clownshoes stupid)
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Playing the bad guys is part of the buy-in for historical wargaming but the ethical way to do it is to not glorify any particular ideology. Chain of Command is a WW2 game I've played and enjoyed and the publishers never use the word Nazi in their product descriptions, simply referring to the German forces as... well, the Germans. They largely write and publish mini campaigns and pretty much just present it as 'Hey, here's a chance for you to play out what might've happened in reality or a wholly alternate result.'
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