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I guess how I would describe it is that foils always *could* curl, but nowadays they're basically guaranteed to, and oftentimes will be curled even before you open the product. It's pretty BS.
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Grifter posted:I am going to draft at a LGS tomorrow. This is only the second time I have done an LGS draft and the first one was about fifteen years ago. How do these things typically go and are there any helpful tips? I know how to draft (I used to draft cubes with friends regularly) and play on arena, I just don't normally go into shops. As mentioned, bring a notepad and writing utensil for life tracking(much better and a lot easier to avoid anything getting messed up than with dice), and bring dice for counters, etc. If you've got them, bring some sleeves and basic lands of your own. Sleeves you could pick up at your LGS I'm sure(or just run your stuff unsleeved), but save yourself some effort, and I've always just found it easier to bring my own basics rather than deal with having to get them from the store(and remember to return them afterward). Aside from those 2, it's draft. You say you're already good there, so anything else would have to be answered by the LGS/person running the event. Glhf!
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Nov 24, 2022 18:21
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:I guess how I would describe it is that foils always *could* curl, but nowadays they're basically guaranteed to, and oftentimes will be curled even before you open the product. It's pretty BS. Foils from china are basically incredible in comparison.
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Nov 24, 2022 18:24
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I can't find it now but they had a post from their vp of manufacturing on the mothership that deflected and claimed it wasn't an issue. This was during the height of when it was really really bad, maybe ixalan era? That guy was eventually let go and things got somewhat better for a while but I feel they're almost as bad as that again. It's ironic because they keep inventing new foil treatments to induce demand for the many many extra variants that they can overcharge for but for me it's a nonstarter if you can't even put them in a loving deck. What a joke.
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Nov 24, 2022 18:32
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i do think all the different attempts at foiling techniques are partially to find a new technique that people both like and doesn't curl as badly, and i think some of them are much better at not curling than others? i've never held a foil card in my life though so this all secondhand to me
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Nov 24, 2022 18:54
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You can practice foiling techniques in a lab before you start mass producing 20 different ones that all don't work
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Nov 24, 2022 19:13
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Sickening posted:Foils from china are basically incredible in comparison. It would be pretty funny to get caught with counterfeit cards not because they were poor quality, but because they were too good and the foils just didn't curl at all as a result
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Nov 24, 2022 19:20
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Curling is an issue that's already been solved, is the thing. Older cards and foils from other card games just do not come pre-curled like new magic cards do, and hold up way better. I guess using better cardstock would cut into secret lair profits too much or something.
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Nov 24, 2022 19:24
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The methods of foiling aren’t the issue and continuing to post like it might be is very confusing. The reasons mtg are curling at the rate they are is because the card stock is cheap poo poo. That’s it. They can’t do anything but choose to not be cheap assholes when printing the cards. That’s it. Mystery solved.
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Nov 24, 2022 19:41
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Syenite posted:Curling is an issue that's already been solved, is the thing. Older cards and foils from other card games just do not come pre-curled like new magic cards do, and hold up way better. I guess using better cardstock would cut into secret lair profits too much or something. Modern standard foils look a lot better than those old ones. The decision wasn't entirely cost driven.
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Nov 24, 2022 20:24
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Amazon has started their black Friday sale. Midnight Hunt draft boxes are $60, KND are $70 and DomU boxes are $80. Ooh thanks for the heads up, may snag a few precon commander decks for some staples
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Nov 24, 2022 20:48
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Obviously anecdotal but my group started drafting again this summer for the first time in a while, and while going through some of the sets we missed in lockdown some of them just felt lovely. Like oddly smooth or oily feeling, and slightly thin and bendy. I wanna say maybe Strixhaven was particularly bad, but I could be misremembering.
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Nov 24, 2022 22:08
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My 30th anniversary countdown secret lairs arrived. They sent me 15 extras and didn't charge me for them. WOTC is an absolute clownshow
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Nov 24, 2022 22:32
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how many did you *buy* if they sent you 15 extras, dude
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Nov 24, 2022 22:40
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Captain Invictus posted:My 30th anniversary countdown secret lairs arrived. Can I have one
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Aphrodite posted:Modern standard foils look a lot better than those old ones. The decision wasn't entirely cost driven. Other card games than Magic have foils that don't curl. It's partially the material they use and partially that they foil the entire fuckin card. They could essentially JUST use the foiling on the art and the cards wouln't be bendy messes Koopa Kid posted:Obviously anecdotal but my group started drafting again this summer for the first time in a while, and while going through some of the sets we missed in lockdown some of them just felt lovely. Like oddly smooth or oily feeling, and slightly thin and bendy. I wanna say maybe Strixhaven was particularly bad, but I could be misremembering. I don't know about those sets in particular, but I have two Warhammer 40K commander decks that REEK. Like the cards smell like poo poo Charity Porno fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Nov 24, 2022 |
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flatluigi posted:how many did you *buy* if they sent you 15 extras, dude
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Nov 24, 2022 22:53
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There are a lot of cards where the whole thing is a dull level of shiny, and then the art has specific highlights that are extra shiny. If they just had those shiny highlights in the art, but didn't foil the rest of the card at all, it wouldn't curl. The curl is because the card back absorbs moisture and expands while the foil layer stays the same size.
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Nov 24, 2022 22:53
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Captain Invictus posted:I ordered 15, some to open, some to sit on. they duplicated the order, I mulled over and decided to not cancel the duplicate order when they offered it to me. So they charged me for two orders of 15 and sent me a third order of 15 for free because wotc is terrible at managing this poo poo apparently. Pablo Nergigante posted:Can I have one
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Nov 24, 2022 22:58
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In a way it's a relief that all of the secret lair stuff is such a goof. I would have bought in on the countdown but they sold out so fast it saved me from myself.
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Jabor posted:There are a lot of cards where the whole thing is a dull level of shiny, and then the art has specific highlights that are extra shiny. Yeah this is how most card games traditionally do foils and it not only doesn't curl, it also doesn't add enough weight to "feel" or cut to it so you can actually, you know, play them
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Nov 24, 2022 23:06
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I'm thinking I might flip some to goons at their retail price, shipped, and maybe do some kind of charity thing with some of them. I'm aiming to pay off a significant home repair loan asap, so these extras will help a good bit towards that.
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Nov 24, 2022 23:19
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Love that a product that sold out so fast many people who wanted to buy one couldn't also shipped 45 to someone. Great anniversary celebration.
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Nov 24, 2022 23:46
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I'm definitely not the only person who had their order duplicated multiple times and sent to them for free, someone upthread also got 8 instead of the 4 they ordered, I believe. wouldn't surprise me if they did this to a bunch of people. was there even a limit to the amount you could possibly order? it should've been capped at 4 at the most(for people who would want playsets I guess), and really shouldn't have been a limited run item in the first place.
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Captain Invictus posted:I'm thinking I might flip some to goons at their retail price, shipped, and maybe do some kind of charity thing with some of them. Well I'm extremely down for one. Let us know in the thread when/if you do whatever.
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Captain Invictus posted:I'm definitely not the only person who had their order duplicated multiple times and sent to them for free, someone upthread also got 8 instead of the 4 they ordered, I believe. wouldn't surprise me if they did this to a bunch of people. Imo limited run products should cap at 1 but I guess they don't care who buys how many
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the age of NEW SECRET LAIR ALERT
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What's this, Scryfall? An outer space land Secret Lair? https://scryfall.com/card/sld/472/strip-mine
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I brought my Drake posted:What's this, Scryfall? An outer space land Secret Lair? https://scryfall.com/card/sld/472/strip-mine Already missed it. Was in the most recent drop.
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Framboise posted:Already missed it. Was in the most recent drop. Oh yeah, the one that just happened, derp. I'm spending my vacation time this week working on card presents so I've been staring at a lot of fanmade card art and I've forgotten about the official cards. XD
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I brought my Drake posted:Oh yeah, the one that just happened, derp. It was only available in foil which lead pretty much everyone in my group to not buy it after seeing it and immediately going "oooooh I want that"
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Dan Frazier brown border artifacts are about the only cards I don't like in foil. It's me. Everything you hate about the physical Magic product, it was made for me. Love me some foils.
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TheLawinator posted:Well I'm extremely down for one. Let us know in the thread when/if you do whatever. so far, TheLawinator has dibs on one, and if Pablo wants to buy one, he has dibs on an 8th one I guess
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Why is the Vintage deck called "Golos Shops"
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Lol as I mentioned, I ordered one and got an extra one for free (SL)
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Other than amazon, any places to keep an eye on for black friday deals? Just started playing a bit of mtg with friends after a 15 year hiatus, looking for cheap boosters / jumpstart to play with, not looking for fancy cards or investments.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Why is the Vintage deck called "Golos Shops" Because it plays golos and mishra's workshop? There's a wild bolas' citadel deck that people were talking about this week that looks fun. Vintage seems like a nutso format
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Oh that makes sense, I guess I didn't see them play a workshop in this video. Ok, how about "Xerox" ilmucche posted:There's a wild bolas' citadel deck that people were talking about this week that looks fun. Vintage seems like a nutso format Oh is it this list https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX1UKqLJuOs
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Xerox is all about copying. Xerox was the first really big name in photocopying. This is my guess based on the now outdated term “xeroxing” in everyday life, not mtg stuff.
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