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I'll selfishly vote Everworld, since I know I'll only ever read them in the context of a thread like this, whereas Oz I'll probably take a look at on my own at some point.
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 03:49 |
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# ? May 27, 2024 06:33 |
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I have no opinion one way or the other, now that Tripods are out of ths running. I just really like the word Applegrant.
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 03:57 |
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I'd like to stay on the Kapplegrant train as well. If memory serves the final Animorphs book ends with a preview for Remnants, which is the only bit of it I've ever read.
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 04:15 |
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freebooter posted:I read Everworld but went off it near the end and never finished it, so that would be neat. I do think it missed the sweet spot that Animorphs hits - it's unrelentingly bleak and miserable, there are no thermals or thermal-equivalent moments if you get what I mean, and the way it manages the "leading a double life" aspect is neither as fun not interesting as Animorphs. This is me too. I similarly fell off near the end, but I have like the first dozen books or so. I don't even know how long it ran. And I'm more interested in Remnants, too. I'd never heard of it, but it seems to get universal praise from places like this thread that discuss Applegrant's work.
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 04:23 |
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I'm going to put in a vote for Oz because holy hell Oz is WEIRD.Epicurius posted:Finally, if you want to get away from Applegate for a while, there are L Frank Baum's Oz books, which if your only familiarity with Oz is the 1930s movie with Judy Garland, is weirder and more magical than you'd think. Good movie, kind of a bad adaptation! The movie only covers like half of the original book and still leaves out stuff from that first half! I'd kind of love it if someone in Hollywood would take a crack at adapting the original book again.
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 05:49 |
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Oh, speaking of fantasy movie adaptations that only cover the first half of their books, if possible let's also throw in an outside pick for The Neverending Story by Michael Ende. The second half is basically a German version of a Isekai and kind-of rad.
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 05:52 |
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Fuschia tude posted:This is me too. I similarly fell off near the end, but I have like the first dozen books or so. I don't even know how long it ran. There are only 12. But Applegrant did all of them rather than farm them out to ghostwriters, and because they're aimed at slightly older readers (or at least, the protagonists are 16ish) the books are also individually longer.
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 06:47 |
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I absolutely fuckin love the Everworld books and I want everyone else to love them too
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 07:05 |
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So I've made a poll to determine what we read next of the three choices. I'm keeping it open until New Years, because it will probably take us that long to be done with these books (and because there will probably be people who are going to be busy for the holiday. I'm doing this as a webpoll because even though i appreciate everyone's input, i know that there are probably people who read the thread and don't contribute a lot, and i want them to have a voice too. So, please vote, and we'll see what we come up with: https://linkto.run/p/UGO2F096
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# ? Nov 25, 2022 22:44 |
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I voted for Everworld but Remnants is a loving trip and certain aspects of it really got under my skin as a kid (baby’s first cosmic horror lmao) so I’ll be happy if that one wins too.theCalamity posted:I voted for Remnants only because I started reading it long ago, but dropped off. Got to like book 5 of it. Jim the Nickel fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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I voted for Remnants only because I started reading it long ago, but dropped off. Got to like book 5 of it. It’s a loving trip
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# ? Nov 26, 2022 23:18 |
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Book 52-The Sacrifice Chapter 1 quote:<Heads up. Something’s definitely going down> Rachel, in bald eagle morph, braked and swooped and circled. So, as you can see, it's an Ax book. He's, to a large extent, restating what's happened to this point, but doing it in a very Ax voice, which i like. The book was ghostwritten by Kimberly Morris, who had also written the Cassie book with the morphing cube, the David returning book, and the Ax book where the Andalite hit squad comes to earth, and i really like hrer authorial voice. Chapter 2 quote:<Okay. No doubt about what’s going on,> Rachel said angrily. <I see a pair of Hork-Bajir directing people into a subway station. And the people don’t want to go. This is a Yeerk operation.> Just as a note, there's an editorial error here. One of the characters that became an auxiliary animorph in book 50 was named Timmy. He's called Tuan here, because he was originally named Tuan in the first draft of book 50 before his name was changed in the final product. That change got missed here. Also, for those who celebrated it, i hope you had a happy Thanksgiving.
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 04:33 |
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Hyper advanced aliens don't have any airborne weapons more advanced than just sending a falcon after them.
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 06:32 |
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kiminewt posted:Hyper advanced aliens don't have any airborne weapons more advanced than just sending a falcon after them. This is one of the few setups where I think it really works, what with the Yeerks being one generation away from being cavemen and almost all their stuff being copied or stolen tech. If anything their tech base should be even more patchwork, with super effective stuff bought off the intergalactic grey market paired with the equivalents of using stolen assault rifles as clubs after the ammo runs out.
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 07:58 |
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Roadie posted:This is one of the few setups where I think it really works, what with the Yeerks being one generation away from being cavemen and almost all their stuff being copied or stolen tech. That's still one of the more mildly mind boggling things about the series is that it's only been roughly 30 years, 40 tops, from the day Seerow landed on the Yeerk homeworld for the first time to "today" in the series, that being basically early 2001, maybe 1999 if we go by that whole "we've been fighting for three years now" and assuming the series starts the same year Book 1 is published in 1996. Either way, it kind of feels like the Yeerks and the Andalites have been at war for centuries sometimes, given how universally deep each races' cultural hatred is for the other at times. And yet this is also a universe where the original Star Wars movie is almost as old as the conflict between them.
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 08:44 |
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I don't remember if it's ever touched on but do the Yeerks even really have an industrial base? None of the Ged/Taxon/Hork Bajir had one from memory. They seem to make a limited amount of fighters and blade ships as well as plenty of small arms but otherwise you don't see a lot of advanced tech other than the occasional macguffin.
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 09:53 |
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nine-gear crow posted:That's still one of the more mildly mind boggling things about the series is that it's only been roughly 30 years, 40 tops, from the day Seerow landed on the Yeerk homeworld for the first time to "today" in the series, that being basically early 2001, maybe 1999 if we go by that whole "we've been fighting for three years now" and assuming the series starts the same year Book 1 is published in 1996. Either way, it kind of feels like the Yeerks and the Andalites have been at war for centuries sometimes, given how universally deep each races' cultural hatred is for the other at times. And yet this is also a universe where the original Star Wars movie is almost as old as the conflict between them. Yeah! I absolutely got the impression the Yeerk/Andalite war had been going for centuries or more and covered most of the galaxy. It was weirdly... relieving?? isn't that strange... to find out the war spanned only a few decades and dozens of star systems.
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 10:04 |
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Saros posted:I don't remember if it's ever touched on but do the Yeerks even really have an industrial base? None of the Ged/Taxon/Hork Bajir had one from memory. They seem to make a limited amount of fighters and blade ships as well as plenty of small arms but otherwise you don't see a lot of advanced tech other than the occasional macguffin. No one really seems to have a major industrial base as we understand them, humans are notable in-universe because we number in the billions while there are multiple spacefaring races with multiple planets colonized who never get above a few million people total. The Andalites have completely decentralized and artisanal production for literally everything, Ax relates that his mother makes subspace transceivers and this kind of work is done solo or in small groups across the planet. As for the Yeerks, the majority of their species was on the homeworld which has been blockaded since the war started. Though presumably most Yeerks have actually been born since and in space. They don't seem to have developed anything novel, all their tech is explicitly just modified versions of stuff the Andalites gave them (Dracon beams, their interfaces with their slug forms) or created/stolen from third parties. The Taxxon don't seem to have the capacity to work beyond basic survival without some kind of uplift and the Hork-Bajir were genocided down to a few thousand members. Honestly the closest we get in the series to any other species that has the capacity to mass produce weapons of war is the Arn and possibly the Leera? In general I kind of like the reveal as we slowly expand out that the Andalite/Yeerk war is ultimately a fairly small thing that matters because of the damage it keeps doing to everyone else slowly being dragged in. But the existence of things like other species supplying the Yeerks means that there's a large part of the galaxy that doesn't really see this as some kind of struggle for survival but as a war between two uh 'nations' Zore fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Nov 29, 2022 |
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The Skrit Na probably have industry. We know that the Yeerks trade with them for technology.
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 16:38 |
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The thing about the Skrit Na is that they can't be used as hosts, which is why they're able to deal with the Yeerks from a position of neutrality. We do get suggestions throughout the series that the Yeerks have infested aliens other than the Hori Bajr and Taxxons. Tom's old Yeerk mentioned that they had also taken over the Ssstram and the Mak, for instance, but they don't show up in the series.
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 16:49 |
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I suppose you could also argue that Yeerk tech is lopsided and they invested a lot in space travel/warfare and Kandrona-related fare but not in any of the rest. They might have not had the need nor time to develop atmospheric flying drones, for instance. It doesn't seem like they even have a huge fleet of the bigger bug fighters near earth. Anyway, cool bird fights
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 17:39 |
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Plus remember the top Yeerks all have their flights of fancy. (Former) Visser One's big plan to subjugate Leera involved genetically modifying earth sharks to use as melee troops remember
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 18:52 |
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Yeerks definitely have the "The War Will Feed Itself" vibe, but someone's gotta be making the Bug fighters sufficiently evil looking so we don't have any friendly fire issues.
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 21:29 |
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Epicurius posted:Just as a note, there's an editorial error here. One of the characters that became an auxiliary animorph in book 50 was named Timmy. He's called Tuan here, because he was originally named Tuan in the first draft of book 50 before his name was changed in the final product. That change got missed here. This poo poo drove my thirteen year old brain absolutely insane
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# ? Nov 29, 2022 21:40 |
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Chapter 3quote:Rachel and I streaked down toward the crowd of people being hustled into the subway station. Several of the uninfested humans saw us and screamed. Others ducked and covered their heads with their arms. This seems like a bad idea. Chapter 4 quote:The train roared beneath me. I swept my wings forward to kill air speed. It didn’t slow me down much. The drag was too great. I'm pretty sure falcons can't vomit. i don't know, though.
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# ? Nov 30, 2022 05:40 |
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I'm convinced that they really should be taking out human-controllers now. It might even be easier when they're a "faceless" animal attacking them. The war is turning really bad so the Animorphs need every advantage they can get. Morph-capable controllers are too big a threat to treat lightly. And when the Controllers are a group of easily breakable birds attacking them in an enclosed space it feels like a missed opportunity not to permanently get rid of them.
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# ? Nov 30, 2022 11:28 |
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dungeon cousin posted:I'm convinced that they really should be taking out human-controllers now. It might even be easier when they're a "faceless" animal attacking them. Ax probably just killed one in that last chapter.
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# ? Nov 30, 2022 14:13 |
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Epicurius posted:Ax probably just killed one in that last chapter. Two, honestly. "No longer a problem" is a hell of an euphemism.
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# ? Nov 30, 2022 14:27 |
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Being grounded doesn't protect you from electrocution, Ax man. Actually it's the opposite. Maybe he was distracted by an attractive female the day they taught that.
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# ? Nov 30, 2022 14:51 |
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Re: murder and squeamishness, I'm pretty sure Marco killed a human-human in the last book when he shot down that helicopter.
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# ? Dec 1, 2022 02:36 |
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Yeah, we also haven't seen them going out of their way to spare human controllers like they did earlier in the series so there's the vague implication that they've been killing people the last few books we just haven't really drawn attention to it.
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# ? Dec 1, 2022 03:07 |
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Sorry about this, but new chapters coming tomorrow.
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# ? Dec 1, 2022 04:19 |
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It's ok I could use the time to process Ax just straight up mercing some Human Controllers. Man there are a lot of innocent host bodies that get killed in this series.
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They knew the risks, they knew what they signed up for when they got infested involuntarily.
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# ? Dec 1, 2022 04:44 |
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mind the walrus posted:It's ok I could use the time to process Ax just straight up mercing some Human Controllers. Man there are a lot of innocent host bodies that get killed in this series. Comrade Blyatlov posted:They knew the risks, they knew what they signed up for when they got infested involuntarily. Well sure, that's how it's gotta be, you know. Killing "defenseless" Yeerks in a pool instead of a host, that's a war crime. It's only acceptable if you kill them in their innocent host bodies while they're being forced to try to kill you. Wait--
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# ? Dec 1, 2022 05:30 |
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Pretty sure the next chapter has one of my favourite bits in the series. Can't wait.
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# ? Dec 1, 2022 05:41 |
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CidGregor posted:Well sure, that's how it's gotta be, you know. Killing "defenseless" Yeerks in a pool instead of a host, that's a war crime. It's only acceptable if you kill them in their innocent host bodies while they're being forced to try to kill you. I mean it's annoying, but that is a pretty excellent object lesson in how framing matters.
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# ? Dec 1, 2022 19:40 |
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Chapter 5quote:It took her only moments. And then she was a great horned owl. Honestly, one of the most brutal chapters in the series so far, i think. Chapter 6 quote:<Aaaaaahhhh!>
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# ? Dec 2, 2022 04:43 |
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Oh yeah, they are absolutely falling apart at the seams at this point. And this is probably the first few chapter where everyone talking up Rachel being bloodthirsty and reckless really feels shown rather than told, Jesus that was a brutal few scenes.
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# ? May 27, 2024 06:33 |
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I think I feel worst for the poor human not only trapped as a bird forever now but STILL being controlled by a Yeerk who probably couldn't even leave anymore if it wanted to. That's a whole new layer of hosed up, good lord.
CidGregor fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Dec 2, 2022 |
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