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Can a coaster reasonably increase attendance if they’re putting a cap on attendance? I don’t know how close they were to cap before and after though. I would think the goal isn’t to increase attendance as much as not lose attendance to Universal.
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Disney has long passed trying to increase attendance generally, which is why single day pricing is about 1.5x-2x what it was like a decade ago. They’ve basically maxed out capacity for demand without building a 5th gate.
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Hey all, x-posting from all Japan and Disney related threads, so hopefully this is okay… This is a long-rear end shot in the dark, but would anyone here happen to be going into the Tokyo Disney Parks over the next few days? I was just there and didn’t realize that a hoodie I wanted would only be available inside the park gates and not even available in Ikspiari or Bon Voyage. Would be super appreciative if anyone would be willing to grab a couple of hoodies for me and my wife and meet me somewhere at a point of convenience to get them and Venmo or whatever.
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Nov 25, 2022 04:05
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Bottom Liner posted:Disney has long passed trying to increase attendance generally, which is why single day pricing is about 1.5x-2x what it was like a decade ago. They’ve basically maxed out capacity for demand without building a 5th gate. Park capacity is the sum of attraction capacity. There is plenty of room in all of the parks. They could just put more attractions in the existing parks.
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Nov 25, 2022 04:11
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Dren posted:Park capacity is the sum of attraction capacity. There is plenty of room in all of the parks. They could just put more attractions in the existing parks.
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Nov 25, 2022 04:30
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Arquinsiel posted:It's a little more complicated than that. They need to have enough food places to match the attraction capacity, enough merch and food storage to keep the food places and gift shops stocked, enough bins to deal with the crap that those generate, and enough toilets to make sure the queues for those don't get out of hand. It's probably possible to put a couple more attractions into each park, but after a while you'll run up against something else starting to need more attention. Even more importantly, security and the ability to evacuate the park if poo poo goes down. Incidentally, the latter is what puts a soft cap on just how big you can build one theme park.
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Nov 25, 2022 13:14
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Supposedly Epcot has no capacity limit like the other parks. Maybe it technically does but it's so high there is no chance of reaching it. However if you have ever been to Epcot on New Year's Eve you would see how huge crowds just make the experience miserable. Just people packed shoulder to shoulder. It took me 30 mins just to push through the UK.
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Nov 25, 2022 14:38
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Arquinsiel posted:It's a little more complicated than that. They need to have enough food places to match the attraction capacity, enough merch and food storage to keep the food places and gift shops stocked, enough bins to deal with the crap that those generate, and enough toilets to make sure the queues for those don't get out of hand. It's probably possible to put a couple more attractions into each park, but after a while you'll run up against something else starting to need more attention. Magic Kingdom: 43 current attractions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Magic_Kingdom_attractions Disneyland: 53 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disneyland_attractions size of disneyland: 100 acres size of magic kingdom: 107 acres they got plenty of room the other parks at WDW are just as big, or bigger, and have less attractions plus there are still unused expansion pads in DLR. they could put more into their densest park, if they wanted.
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Nov 25, 2022 15:38
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Current figment ride now that's a flop Give figment a good ride please
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Dren posted:Magic Kingdom: 43 current attractions https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Magic_Kingdom_attractions
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Nov 25, 2022 18:38
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If they can fit 10 more attractions, plus all the supporting stuff necessary for them into a smaller space, they can fit at least 10 more attractions and the supporting stuff into the bigger space. They just don’t want to invest in CapEx at WDW to keep up with attendance. Whether that means a fifth gate or adding attractions. They are happy to slow roll attractions out and fight demand by jacking up ticket prices faster than ever before.
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Nov 25, 2022 19:14
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I'm headed back next week for Universal but I'm doing an Epcot day because, well, Epcot. I was curious if they were doing a holiday mix so hopefully it won't be too rough trying to get into the virtual queue.
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Dren posted:If they can fit 10 more attractions, plus all the supporting stuff necessary for them into a smaller space, they can fit at least 10 more attractions and the supporting stuff into the bigger space.
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Nov 26, 2022 01:03
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 you're probably right but you could just say the thing you want to say rather than going through all the work of saying it backwardsy
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I've also lost track of the position in all the sarcasm - is your position actually that Disney is spending enough money at this point that the ways they've devised to increase cost to consumer justified? Or is it just a narrow "well actually in addition to building a new ride they also have to build another bathroom and a couple more food carts." In which case, who cares then, do that in addition to building another quiet mid level dark ride. It's all just a matter of "money needs to flow in from both directions." At bottom, it simply does not feel like the company is investing appropriately given the amount they're asking guests to contribute, especially when their road map puts "a copy of an animatronic on one attraction" literally on the same level as entire new lands at overseas parks. Boxman fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Nov 26, 2022 |
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Yeah, fair. I've gone way too deep into the sarcasm well chasing some shifting goalposts. We don't actually know if Disney does want to expand capacity or is just happy to squeeze existing capacity for more pennies and call that "growth".
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Zero One posted:Supposedly Epcot has no capacity limit like the other parks. Maybe it technically does but it's so high there is no chance of reaching it. I did NYE 2014 into 2015 at Epcot and when I got there, the park seemed fine, and was pretty much tolerable until about 40 minutes until Midnight, and it was like the crowd tuned into jello. I watched crowd control cast members just give up because there wasn't anything they could do. and then getting out of the park and back to my college program housing was a 2 hour ordeal.
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What's involved in the college program? Due to silliness me and my wife both ended up heading back to education at the same time in our 30s, so we were joking about doing it at the time if not for the lack of an Ireland pavillion in Epcot.
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Arquinsiel posted:What's involved in the college program? Due to silliness me and my wife both ended up heading back to education at the same time in our 30s, so we were joking about doing it at the time if not for the lack of an Ireland pavillion in Epcot. Living in lovely dorms, working the worst jobs for less than minimum wage, and waiting 3 hours for the bus to take you to Target or Disney springs But you can go to the parks a lot and probably have a lot of sex
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They get paid $14 an hour now. Some of the jobs you might get are awful, some will be a blast and you'll have a ton of memorable experiences and stories. It reaaalllly heavily depends on what job you get. Do not ever do food services.
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It's way past being an option now anyway, but we were under the impression that we'd have to find our own living space and get cars etc, so that made it less than attractive. We also had no idea how it'd tie into our degrees at all, so that was a pretty big stumbling block. Might have been worth it for the stories alone though.
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Yeah even back in 2011 I was making more than minimum wage. Not much more but Florida was 7.24 an hour haha. I look back fondly on my CP. I bummed around working the pirates ride for six months before finishing up my degree. I came back on a professional internship after graduation which led me down my meandering Disney career. PI’s are more focused on your field - there are graphic design pi’s, engineering ones, marketing ones, etc. Easier to end up in a backstage role after that, which I did.
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I would definitely read this article before considering living anywhere near Orlando https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/kissimmee-star-motel/
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Cais posted:Yeah even back in 2011 I was making more than minimum wage. Not much more but Florida was 7.24 an hour haha. The below min wage comment was mostly tied to the fact that they take housing directly out of their pay if they're in the CP housing, which definitely makes up a majority of their pay now.
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Bottom Liner posted:The below min wage comment was mostly tied to the fact that they take housing directly out of their pay if they're in the CP housing, which definitely makes up a majority of their pay now. Yeah, I think Chatham was like $105/week or 15ish hours of your weekly paycheck then. Doesn’t look like that’s changed much. Still half of what I paid for my last college apartment so cheap as hell.
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I ended up at The Commons in my second half of my program after they opened it up to regular CPs instead of just international CPs, and my paycheck took a beating. I almost never struggled with money on my CP prior to that, but that made me the model of "poor struggling CP CM" would not recommend. But I loved my job, and it got me, eventually, to my dream job in the parks, so it worked out well. I am sad my body basically fell apart and prevented me from continuing because I'd have stayed a lot longer, even with all the covid nonsense.
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Cais posted:Yeah, I think Chatham was like $105/week or 15ish hours of your weekly paycheck then. Doesn’t look like that’s changed much.  I think at the exchange rate of the time that's about 30% of what I was paying at home. Might have been worth doing just to save money 
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Cais posted:Yeah, I think Chatham was like $105/week or 15ish hours of your weekly paycheck then. Doesn’t look like that’s changed much. So you’re saying the monthly rent was 420? Checks out.
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TheBigBudgetSequel posted:I ended up at The Commons in my second half of my program after they opened it up to regular CPs instead of just international CPs, and my paycheck took a beating. I almost never struggled with money on my CP prior to that, but that made me the model of "poor struggling CP CM" would not recommend. If you don't mind sharing, what was your job when you worked there? Working at Disney just seems neat to me (at least for a few moments while I pretend they pay people enough to live).
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It's worth saying the unions are currently winning the fight towards $20 min. That might finally catch up to the cost of living here.
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are the new magicbands waterproof? with the charging port on the back I am planning on taking an old one to swim with if needed, but I can't find good info on the internet
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Bottom Liner posted:It's worth saying the unions are currently winning the fight towards $20 min. That might finally catch up to the cost of living here. That would be great but I’m sure the agreement will be something like “…by 2030.”
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Nah, they already got 18 and are pushing for 20 faster now from what I understand.
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Off-topic question, but anyone familiar with the Orlando area to give recommendations on other interesting things to do nearby? A family member bought a house in the area and it'd be nice to have a list of places to go to during short visits with them. Already have the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex on my list. Would also love any smaller, goofy roadside tourist traps to check out. And the best mini-golf in the area.
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The best mini golf is at Universal or Disney. Downtown Orlando has lots of cool stuff depending on what you like (theaters, museums, clubs, etc). For tourist trap stuff there is I Drive but outside of that you can go to Gatorland. Fantasy of Flight is a cool aviation museum closer to Lakeland (https://www.fantasyofflight.com/collection/). There are some nice state parks further north of Orlando with natural springs you can swim or see manatees (look up Blue Spring or Wekiwa Spring).
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Don't forget there's also Legoland in the area, I think a lot of people overlook it.
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Since you mentioned the Cape, what qualifies as “nearby”? I don’t think I’d usually call a ~90 minute drive nearby, but if a person did then you’d also include everything in Tampa and also St. Augustine.
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Have they said if it’s going to be part of the New Orleans theme area yet? I think everyone is assuming because IMO it makes perfect sense, but where would that leave my precious Winnie the Pooh section? I’m glad they’re re-theming it, I never saw the movie it’s currently based on so have no love for the hillbilly animals. Princess and the Frog is really good and I think more kids will like that, plus it still has southern-talking animals so it’s not like it’s totally different anyway. If Splash was already called “dark nawlins bayou journey” it would still fit and make perfect sense. They could just throw a tiana animatronic in there and call it a day, and it would totally work. Also I posted a few months ago about being too chicken to go on Splash and since then I go on just about every time I visit DLR, and I just went on the incredicoaster too. Someone in this thread pointed out that Disney is in the business of family fun, not so much super scary thrilling rides. It’s definitely true. They are very creative in how they make these things *look* intense on the outside, but making the actual ride experience more of a rollicking fun time. My magic key expires in January and I’m not renewing, so I’m very happy to have come to this realization before then and get a chance to try everything (except mission breakout - looks too scary😬) E: wait I forgot DisneyWorld has Splash too - is that closure for just one of them or both?
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