mlmp08 posted:

speng31b posted:

the assignment was to write about a confounding experience arguing from a place of expertise, not just another post about how all your war opinions are right and other posters are wrong. D-

V. Illych L. posted:

this is more or less the most respectable position one can have in my country. again, coverage on the issue was mostly restricted to "while russia protests her innocence, our experts say that it could be a means of applying further pressure on the european energy supply in order to get concessions" - with all the obvious objections simply left unstated and unexplored.

fits my needs posted:

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1596147307749281793?s=20&t=2Te3H4gffBy-XK6rizvXhg

quote:

We asked Hodges if he believed that could work — if Russia could be trusted.

"Absolutely not," replied the long-time U.S. Army officer, adding that he would ask those people "which part of their country or their home state are they willing to give up if Russia said, 'Hey, look, we just want a little bit of Florida, or let us have New England, and then we'll promise not to use nuclear weapons.'"

quote:

The mayor of Kharkiv Terekhov was fined for using the Russian language during appeals to citizens.

Kharkiv mayor Igor Terekhov was fined 3,400 hryvnia for using non-state speech in social networks and speaking on the air of the telethon.

This was reported by Censor.NET with a link to the Facebook page of the Commissioner for the Protection of the State Language Taras Kremen .

"The Commissioner passed a resolution on the imposition of an administrative penalty in the form of a fine for violating the Law of Ukraine "On Ensuring the Functioning of the Ukrainian Language as the State Language" by Kharkiv Mayor Igor Terekhov. United News" used a non-state language, which violated the first part of Article 12 of the Law," the report says.

Terekhov must pay a fine of UAH 3,400.

In addition, Commissioner Taras Kremin issued a resolution imposing an administrative penalty in the form of a warning for violation of part 6 of article 27 of the Law of Ukraine "On Ensuring the Functioning of the Ukrainian Language as the State Language", according to which the official Internet representations of the Kharkiv mayor on Facebook and Telegram should be presented on state language.

The rulings will enter into force upon the expiration of the deadline for their appeal - December 4, 2022.

mlmp08 posted:

That was similar to my experience early on and throughout summer when dealing with people convinced of the wisdom of Russian Deep Operations or convinced this would be the war where more indiscriminate firepower would equal destruction of national will of defending armies and civilians, or who were convinced that the Ukrainian military was a rotten door waiting to collapse or that the Russians won the air war early or were convinced that any evidence that the Russian army was stalling was actually good news for Russia, just off screen. Or whatever other poorly justified idea held on a mix of faith or just reading garbage accounts all day and losing grips with very easily verifiable info.

Similar feeling when talking with the overly wishfully pro-Ukraine crowd who convinced themselves that Russia’s failure in attacking Kyiv by land equaled “Ukraine already won” in back March. Or are waiting for Ukraine to literally retake every square centimeter of previously held territory, with a confidence of inevitability.

sube posted:

https://censor.net/ru/news/3382770/mera_harkova_terehova_oshtrafovali_za_ispolzovanie_russkogo_yazyka_vo_vremya_obrascheniyi_k_grajdanam

speng31b posted:

Jel Shaker posted:

ukraine is a big place, are they serious about the “big israel” thing and in 20 years we’re going to see news reports about illegal settlements in the east with a russian speaking “palestinian” population under constant harassment

Jel Shaker posted:

ukraine is a big place, are they serious about the “big israel” thing and in 20 years we’re going to see news reports about illegal settlements in the east with a russian speaking “palestinian” population under constant harassment

quote:

"We will become a ‘big Israel’ with its own face. We will not be surprised if we have representatives of the Armed Forces or the National Guard in cinemas, supermarkets, and people with weapons. I am confident that the question of security will be the issue number one for the next 10 years. I am sure of it.”

sube posted:

What Zelensky said on the matter specifically:

Frosted Flake posted:

lol I realize that doesn't void the proportionality or military necessity required for targeting those under LOAC, but saying "we will have combatants in cinemas, supermarkets" is more than a bit reckless, all things considered.

Frosted Flake posted:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XLGAOYGYA

РБК posted:

The annexation of Donbass to Russia should have happened earlier, President Vladimir Putin said at a meeting with the mothers of servicemen participating in a special military operation.

"We proceeded from the assumption that it might be possible to agree that Luhansk and Donetsk could reunite with Ukraine within the framework of the Minsk agreements. We were sincerely working towards it," the president said.
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He noted that at the time, the Russian authorities "didn't fully feel the mood of the people. "It was impossible to understand what was going on there," Putin specified.

"Now it has become obvious that this reunification [with Russia] should have happened sooner. Maybe there wouldn't have been so many civilian casualties, there wouldn't have been so many children killed by shelling," the president concluded.
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Al Jazeera posted:

Ukraine’s leaders will have to be “far-sighted” to secure peace, Pope Francis says, suggesting that Kyiv would have to make concessions.

The pope earlier this month called for a ceasefire to avert the risk of escalation of the conflict and asked God to “hurry up” to end it.

In an open letter to mark the nine-month anniversary of the Russian invasion, Francis praised the strength of Ukrainians in the face of the onslaught.

“The world has recognised a bold and strong people, a people that suffers and prays, cries and struggles, resists and hopes: A noble and martyred people,” he wrote.

He also said he was praying for Ukraine’s rulers.

“On them lies the duty to govern the country in tragic times and to make far-sighted decisions for peace and to develop the economy during the destruction of so much vital infrastructure.”

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-planned-attack-japan-2021-fsb-letters-1762133

Lmfao at this article, but atleast we get this image out of it.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-planned-attack-japan-2021-fsb-letters-1762133

Lmfao at this article, but atleast we get this image out of it.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

sube posted:

https://censor.net/ru/news/3382770/mera_harkova_terehova_oshtrafovali_za_ispolzovanie_russkogo_yazyka_vo_vremya_obrascheniyi_k_grajdanam

Cao Ni Ma posted:

This is the law that passed years ago that makes it so any official that speaks russian without being directed to use the language can be fined/imprisoned. That is, if you hear people speaking russian and you engage them in russian then you are violating it, they have to tell you to speak to them in russian. Of course that was the first version of it and I'm sure that they'll implement an even crazier version of it in the coming months/years and you'll idiots pop up saying that ukraine doesnt discriminate against russian speakers or "gently caress around and find out"

speng31b posted:

who was that guy who argued for multiple pages in the old thread that there was no evidence of discrimination targeting Russian speakers

speng31b posted:

the assignment was to write about a confounding experience arguing from a place of expertise, not just another post about how all your war opinions are right and other posters are wrong. D-

January 6 Survivor posted:

FF if it makes you feel better if we were at a dinner party and you started talking about artillery I'd just listen

Weka posted:

In some ways mlmp's post is more interesting, it's hardly surprising that FF knows more than people or that those people refuse to accept his argument from authority when it conflicts with the 'experts' on the news, but I feel confident in asserting mlmp understands what's going on far better than 90% of people and that's truly disturbing.