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Dec 4, 2002

Are there enough former Warsaw Pact-now NATO members to get spare parts?

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Full Collapse posted:

Are there enough former Warsaw Pact-now NATO members to get spare parts?

Talk to your local F-4.

Beef Of Ages
Jan 11, 2003

Your dumb is leaking.

hobbesmaster posted:

It feels like even the CRJ-200 is rare.

Not as rare as it should be. Hateful loving thing.

Dr.Smasher
Nov 27, 2002

Cyberpunk 1987

Full Collapse posted:

Are there enough former Warsaw Pact-now NATO members to get spare parts?

Mr. Isaacman is apparently a billionaire so I'm sure paying for engines is a minor inconvenience

This MiG-29 sat in Paul Allen's museum until he passed way, so getting to see it fly in person was the 2nd best part of AirVenture 2022 for me. My only disappointment was that it didn't get parked in Boeing Plaza where I could take close up pictures of that beautiful paint job.

It was surplus'd out by Ukraine shortly after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. It actually took several years to get it from Ukraine to Paul Allen's museum, just due to miles and miles of red tape.

Absolute best part of AirVenture 2022 was sitting in the bombardiers seat on B-29 Fifi for a full ride

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Dr.Smasher fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Nov 23, 2022

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

Trips me out to see the engines pumping heat with the flight intakes fully closed. 29s are neat, the bush planes of the fighter world.

E: MiG-29s, though now I'm curious if a MiG-29 and a B-29 have ever flown in formation. :v:

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

hobbesmaster posted:

It feels like even the CRJ-200 is rare.

They are very much not. A million of them come out of DEN each day flying to all the middle of nowhere BFE places in Wyoming/Nebraska/Kansas/etc...

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
The prototype of Turkiye's TF-X fighter is taking shape.

https://twitter.com/Acemal71/status/1595390482699403264

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Does it have a better chance of being real compared to the 7/8 scale Iranian "stealth" fighter from years ago?

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
Well, the canopy doesn’t look like it was vacformed from a sheet of acrylic from the Home Depot, at least.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

fknlo posted:

They are very much not. A million of them come out of DEN each day flying to all the middle of nowhere BFE places in Wyoming/Nebraska/Kansas/etc...

Compared to what delta was doing with them 20 years ago they are rare.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.

slidebite posted:

Does it have a better chance of being real compared to the 7/8 scale Iranian "stealth" fighter from years ago?
I'm going to say yes, on the basis that unlike Iran, they're not under a massive embargo so they can find a partner to actually have some engines.

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006


Dr.Smasher posted:

Absolute best part of AirVenture 2022 was sitting in the bombardiers seat on B-29 Fifi for a full ride

I've only seen Fifi from the outside, but it was my second favorite airshow experience ever, second only to the first time I saw the Thunderbirds when I was like 7. As An Old Person, I like seeing warbirds fly, but it's become familiar. You see some fighters, you see a B-17, maybe you see a B-24, it's all cool. Then Fifi goes up and the noise is the same, but that thing just moves. It's one thing to read specs and say sure, faster than a B-17, higher ceiling, more bombs, whatever. It's another to see the speed difference when it's zipping around in front of you.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



I took a ride in the waist of FIFI in 2013. Amazing.



INTJ Mastermind
Dec 30, 2004

It's a radial!
Can the average paying passenger in 2022 fit down that tunnel?

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



I, a large fatbody, was thinking that very thing as I set-up the shot. I figured I could be pulled through, but there was insufficient room for me to frog-crawl/propel myself.

Pretty sure they'd frown on the attempt in any event.

Psion
Dec 13, 2002

eVeN I KnOw wHaT CoRnEr gAs iS

Dr.Smasher posted:

This MiG-29 sat in Paul Allen's museum until he passed way, so getting to see it fly in person was the 2nd best part of AirVenture 2022 for me. My only disappointment was that it didn't get parked in Boeing Plaza where I could take close up pictures of that beautiful paint job.

It didn't just sit in the museum, thankfully. They put it up in the air at least a few times, one of those happened to be when I was visiting.



sure put out some thoroughly non-delicious smelling exhaust though, let me tell you.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

INTJ Mastermind posted:

Can the average paying passenger in 2022 fit down that tunnel?

I seemed to recall WWII aircraft having surprisingly low height limits as well but quickly found that there was hurricane squadron commander that was 6’6” (?!)

I did find that the total crew weight limit for a B-17 was 1200lb. I wonder if everyone under a certain height just got assigned as a tanker or bomber crew.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

hobbesmaster posted:

I seemed to recall WWII aircraft having surprisingly low height limits as well but quickly found that there was hurricane squadron commander that was 6’6” (?!)

A lot of anthropometric restrictions in aircraft are based on more fine-grained measurements like seated height, arm reach, leg length and such. So every now and then you can get a freakishly tall person who has the right min/max stats to make it workable.

I'd imagine in WWII there was also an element of "well just scrunch down and make it work", especially when your squadron is switching to a new model of aircraft every six months.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor
Wasn't that a whole thing in Catch-22? It's been a while since I read it.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

6'8" Masochist flies across Canada exclusively on dash-8s.

https://youtu.be/BUSzqFdbdsc

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Air Canada: we will use every mile of range Bombardier gives us and you can’t stop us.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

hobbesmaster posted:

Air Canada: we will use every mile of range Bombardier gives us and you can’t stop us.

9 separate flights across Canada in a Dash isn’t really that bad, I flew YYC to IAH in a loving CRJ, and whoever is responsible for making that a thing that could happen, deserves suffering. I would never book such a flight, but the United A320 I was supposed to be on had a MX issue, so rebooked onto the long, thin torture chamber I go!

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

hobbesmaster posted:

Air Canada: we will use every mile of range Bombardier gives us and you can’t stop us.

There’s Dash-8 and Dash-8. Anybody who complains about the Q400 has never been in a 100 doing a milk run.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I have and I will :colbert:

The 400 is much better though, no question. Does AC still fly them up here? I think they still have a couple?

Beef Of Ages
Jan 11, 2003

Your dumb is leaking.

slidebite posted:

I have and I will :colbert:

The 400 is much better though, no question. Does AC still fly them up here? I think they still have a couple?

They do, MKE-YYZ being a notable local option for me (that I will never voluntarily take).

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Wingnut Ninja posted:

A lot of anthropometric restrictions in aircraft are based on more fine-grained measurements like seated height, arm reach, leg length and such. So every now and then you can get a freakishly tall person who has the right min/max stats to make it workable.

I'd imagine in WWII there was also an element of "well just scrunch down and make it work", especially when your squadron is switching to a new model of aircraft every six months.

Yup, I was all lined up in my head to be a fighter pilot when I was in school. But when I was doing some pre-entry tests I failed the 'sitdown' test as it was called. So career diversion to Avionics Tech and from Chair Force to Army.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Wingnut Ninja posted:

A lot of anthropometric restrictions in aircraft are based on more fine-grained measurements like seated height, arm reach, leg length and such. So every now and then you can get a freakishly tall person who has the right min/max stats to make it workable.

https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2016/01/16/when-us-air-force-discovered-the-flaw-of-averages.html

quote:

Using the size data he had gathered from 4,063 pilots, Daniels calculated the average of the 10 physical dimensions believed to be most relevant for design, including height, chest circumference and sleeve length. These formed the dimensions of the “average pilot,” which Daniels generously defined as someone whose measurements were within the middle 30 per cent of the range of values for each dimension. So, for example, even though the precise average height from the data was five foot nine, he defined the height of the “average pilot” as ranging from five-seven to five-11. Next, Daniels compared each individual pilot, one by one, to the average pilot.

Before he crunched his numbers, the consensus among his fellow air force researchers was that the vast majority of pilots would be within the average range on most dimensions. After all, these pilots had already been pre-selected because they appeared to be average sized. (If you were, say, six foot seven, you would never have been recruited in the first place.) The scientists also expected that a sizable number of pilots would be within the average range on all 10 dimensions. But even Daniels was stunned when he tabulated the actual number.

Zero.

Out of 4,063 pilots, not a single airman fit within the average range on all 10 dimensions. One pilot might have a longer-than-average arm length, but a shorter-than-average leg length. Another pilot might have a big chest but small hips. Even more astonishing, Daniels discovered that if you picked out just three of the ten dimensions of size — say, neck circumference, thigh circumference and wrist circumference — less than 3.5 per cent of pilots would be average sized on all three dimensions. Daniels’s findings were clear and incontrovertible. There was no such thing as an average pilot. If you’ve designed a cockpit to fit the average pilot, you’ve actually designed it to fit no one.

...

By discarding the average as their reference standard, the air force initiated a quantum leap in its design philosophy, centred on a new guiding principle: individual fit. Rather than fitting the individual to the system, the military began fitting the system to the individual. In short order, the air force demanded that all cockpits needed to fit pilots whose measurements fell within the 5-per-cent to 95-per-cent range on each dimension.

Fornax Disaster
Apr 11, 2005

If you need me I'll be in Holodeck Four.
John Deere started working with an industrial design firm in the mid 30s, before that they had not paid much attention to ergonomics. The industrial designers asked them how they had designed their tractor seats which were not comfortable for anyone.

John Deere’s engineers replied that they found the fattest guy who worked in their factory and designed the seat to fit his rear end.

Beef Of Ages
Jan 11, 2003

Your dumb is leaking.

Fornax Disaster posted:

John Deere started working with an industrial design firm in the mid 30s, before that they had not paid much attention to ergonomics. The industrial designers asked them how they had designed their tractor seats which were not comfortable for anyone.

John Deere’s engineers replied that they found the fattest guy who worked in their factory and designed the seat to fit his rear end.

I've offered my 6'5" giant fatass to airlines as a seat tester multiple times, only to be rebuffed at every turn.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless
One of the fun things about flying Hawkeyes is that it tends to get people who were too short or too tall for fighter jets. One of my friends was an inch too short for the minimum seated height measurement when she showed up to flight school, so they had her focus on doing squats for a month and she was able to pass. Another very tall friend had to figure out how to order a custom tailored flight suit through the supply system (which can be done, it turns out) because none of the standard issue ones fitted his weird proportions.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Beef Of Ages posted:

I've offered my 6'5" giant fatass to airlines as a seat tester multiple times, only to be rebuffed at every turn.

hey there fellow 6'5" 300 pound goon

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Wingnut Ninja posted:

One of the fun things about flying Hawkeyes is that it tends to get people who were too short or too tall for fighter jets. One of my friends was an inch too short for the minimum seated height measurement when she showed up to flight school, so they had her focus on doing squats for a month and she was able to pass. Another very tall friend had to figure out how to order a custom tailored flight suit through the supply system (which can be done, it turns out) because none of the standard issue ones fitted his weird proportions.

Wait doing a bunch of squats makes you taller how?

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

It wasn't to make her taller, it was to make her butt fatter so that her eyeline was an inch higher when she was sitting in the cockpit.

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Ahhhh that makes sense.

Carth Dookie
Jan 28, 2013

Also lol at the air force for having a booty requirement to fly.

After The War
Apr 12, 2005

to all of my Architects
let me be traitor
Ballast requirement left over from the airship days.

Wingnut Ninja
Jan 11, 2003

Mostly Harmless

Sagebrush posted:

It wasn't to make her taller, it was to make her butt fatter so that her eyeline was an inch higher when she was sitting in the cockpit.

Yup. Seated height. A little extra in the butt was enough to make the difference.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



lmao didn't know Harrison Ford was in town:
https://twitter.com/rawsalerts/status/1597009982016585728

Pilot and passengers are supposedly okay.

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

The plane looks remarkably intact -- you'd think it'd be in pieces after a tower impact. Even if it was crawling along at just above stall speed, that's still something like 65 or 70 knots. (My car wouldn't look that good if I rammed a tower at 70-80 mph.)



Image stolen from https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/27/us/maryland-small-plane-crash-power-lines/index.html

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The Real Amethyst
Apr 20, 2018

When no one was looking, Serval took forty Japari buns. She took 40 buns. That's as many as four tens. And that's terrible.
Are those steel beams? :tinfoil:

e: oops I thought I was in GBS

The Real Amethyst fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Nov 28, 2022

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