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You are thinking of storytelling. There’s a difference. See yesterday I posted in this thread, at night, while working. That is a story. It’s recounted events. How I tell it is storytelling and that’s the actual craft with all the ups and downs and techniques and tropes.
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Mazerunner posted:if sports aren't stories on the basis of they are just things that happen, and the story is what we do to them in recounting, sure fine. If "things that just happen" are stories than literally everything that ever happens has happened or will happen is a story and the term is completely meaningless. It is the dumbest and shallowest loving argument because if your definition of something is that broad your own argument makes it worthless as a descriptor in the first place. Edit: look no further than the post above me for the exact navel gazing meaningless pedantry I am talking about. Jesus Christ.
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Nov 26, 2022 22:09
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You're all putting a lot of legitimacy on the idea of a story when it's really not that complicated or special. You're all really thinking of fiction, or writing, or storytelling as an art form. Not the very basic idea of a story, which it's official definition is just 1. an account of imaginary or real people and events told for entertainment. "an adventure story" Like that's it. THAT'S IT! If I talked about the process of how cheese was made, thats a story. If a news report tells what happened last night, thats a story (lol they call it "our top story ffs).
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Nov 26, 2022 22:14
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No drama? In sports?! That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard in my life.
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Nov 26, 2022 22:27
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it's a funny joke that the show explicitly states to not think about
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Nov 26, 2022 22:38
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I havent seen the episode, I'm more on the people who think stories are this important and very legitimate thing instead of everything from a Scorsese Picture to a person telling you their dream.
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Nov 26, 2022 22:40
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I had fun with the episode, as a standalone thing. Some of the characters made me laugh. With that said, this show's obsession with wanting not to be taken seriously has become its main gimmick and is as exhausting as is childish, but I must congratulate it that by shouting "I'm not pretentious" it has done a 360 to pretentious all the way back to being just banal. That's all I can think about it.
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Nov 26, 2022 22:47
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Yeah they should really do some more season 1 type adventures.
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Nov 26, 2022 23:02
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They always had.
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Nov 26, 2022 23:13
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Mister Speaker posted:Is the nightly news a story? Mister Speaker posted:Is an instrumental piece of music a story? No, no, yes, yes, yes.
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Nov 26, 2022 23:15
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:So stories are only stories if they're fake? Nothing that happens in real life counts as a story because it wasn't planned?
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Nov 26, 2022 23:19
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for the record, I don't really think the show is trying to do all these things people are saying it tries to do, the show really didn't change that much from day one, it's always been crazy zany sci fi concept of the week paired with a bunch of character drama, it's really what the show has been from the start and it's pretty much how the show describes itself on several occasions, people make a bigger fuss about the show doing or not doing canonical stories than the show does, like we had the original story train episode showing an alternative take on the culmination of the birdperson saga laughing at the whole notion that this is even interesting but then we had a proper episode full of actual birdperson and rick lore paired with epic music and actual drama, the show has no problem doing both, and it never had.
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Nov 26, 2022 23:20
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Adder Moray posted:Things that happen in real life aren't stories.  
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Nov 26, 2022 23:23
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"Is Sports Story" - the worst thread in the history of forums, locked by a moderator after 12,239 pages of heated debate,
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Nov 26, 2022 23:32
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Wait hang on, I got this: Stories are sports.
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Nov 26, 2022 23:33
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Wait hang on, I got this: Stories are sports. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MpyHBoiTwk
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Nov 26, 2022 23:43
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You are such a desperate pedantic weirdo lol
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Nov 27, 2022 00:07
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"An account of..."Adder Moray posted:Things that happen in real life aren't stories. They're things we tell stories about.
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Nov 27, 2022 00:12
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Now reality itself doesn't have stories?!
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Nov 27, 2022 00:18
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To teach all these nerds that stories are sports simply punt their fuckin' books through the giant fork thing at the end of the touchdown turf.
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Nov 27, 2022 00:19
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How about them smash cut grenades?
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Nov 27, 2022 00:25
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kas posted:If "things that just happen" are stories than literally everything that ever happens has happened or will happen is a story and the term is completely meaningless. It is the dumbest and shallowest loving argument because if your definition of something is that broad your own argument makes it worthless as a descriptor in the first place. uh yeah exactly dude. if sports aren't stories, neither is anything else just from life. That's what I said. History, crime, news. None of it. Sports aren't uniquely special as 'the opposite of stories'. But it's still a funny joke to say they are. But 'story' is just a retelling. You don't have to tell massage the events to make them more dramatic. They don't have to include twists, or retcons, or sudden dramatic reveals of tragic backstories, etc. like some were claiming earlier. You probably should, to tell an interesting story, but you don't have to. ps. all the posts about posting are the opposite of story
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Nov 27, 2022 00:27
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white men can’t jump is a story
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Nov 27, 2022 00:31
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kas posted:You are such a desperate pedantic weirdo lol
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Nov 27, 2022 00:34
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CelticPredator posted:That’s a story! Harsh but fair.
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Nov 27, 2022 00:37
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The real story was the sports we made along the way.
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Nov 27, 2022 00:40
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Lotta posts in this thread for a Sunday afternoon, did the episode leak early or something? Oh. Ooohhhhh  I think the real point people are confusing is story vs events. In Harmonspeak a Story or Drama is something that someone sat down and wrote, giving some thought to structure and rising/falling action etc etc. We tell stories about sports after the fact, but as they're happening they're just events. Unless you believe the fix is in and all sports are being puppetmaster'd to maximize viewer engagement and advertisement revenue, in which case well you're probably not wrong...
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Nov 27, 2022 00:54
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I just don’t agree with Harmon I guess and I do think that a story doesn’t need to be sat down and written. It’s just a retelling of something. I’ll agree that you going to the store isn’t a story as it happens. It can be after the fact. But I disagree that sports can’t be a story as they happen because despite being live and happening they are framed in such a way that does fit into a narrative. There’s two sides. There’s a goal. There’s stakes. Theres characters and often development in regards to a player being an MVP or whatever. There’s even act breaks if you want to get deep with it. I ain’t seen the episode I just was shocked at the posts suggesting that these things which are framed in such a very story driven way can’t be stories.
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Nikumatic posted:To teach all these nerds that stories are sports simply punt their fuckin' books through the giant fork thing at the end of the touchdown turf. drat now that’s what I’d call a home run!
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Nov 27, 2022 01:07
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dan harmon sucks and should let other people do the show for him
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Nov 27, 2022 01:10
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The show is good as is imo
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Nov 27, 2022 01:15
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imo it could use a few more incest jokes
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Nov 27, 2022 01:17
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Mantis42 posted:dan harmon sucks and should let other people do the show for him i don't want to blow your mind but there are other shows that dan harmon isn't a part of
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Macaluso posted:i don't want to blow your mind but there are other shows that dan harmon isn't a part of *turns on the Quantum Leap reboot* nahhhhhhhhhhh
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CelticPredator posted:I just don’t agree with Harmon I guess and I do think that a story doesn’t need to be sat down and written. It’s just a retelling of something. I said it before but sports are explicitly designed to create a narrative. They're role-playing games, like instead of actually having a war between two sides, where people get shot and killed, you play make-believe, but you still get to have the conflict and the heroes and the tragedies. Dan Harmon fully understands this, see: paintball It's like Ghost in the Graveyard, the game little kids play. Ghost in the Graveyard is both a sport, but also a social device to create a story, in exactly the same way D&D is, just much simpler. D&D isn't, in itself, a story, but the individual sessions and campaigns are. XboxPants fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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Macaluso posted:i don't want to blow your mind but there are other shows that dan harmon isn't a part of every writer on rick and morty who isn't dan harmon is tolerable, he personally sucks
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Nov 27, 2022 01:29
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I can't believe a jail cell made of sports that keeps in a character called Rhett Con is what finally broke peoples' brains
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Macaluso posted:I can't believe a jail cell made of sports that keeps in a character called Rhett Con is what finally broke peoples' brains Um yes, that's it. My brain was fine and sane before that. Absolutely.
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It's just an improv comedy level gag, what's the opposite of story? sports! huh, that would be a pretty funny bit for someone to pull in this context, the episode even frames it as a throwaway gag. Replace "sports" with "reality TV" and you get pretty much the same gag, and probably also similar arguments, but I think sports is more concise and funnier. It's just a bit.
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and of course harmon studied improv and the show had multiple improv comedy gags, now I'm tempted to make a third reply cause shitposts always come in threes, quick someone yes and me.
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