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Schnitzler posted:I was ready to hate the darkness modifier, mostly because I found that Vermintide mission in the mine where you carry the torch through pitch black darkness to be just terrible. But they managed to make it pretty fun here, a noticeable change of pace without being overly irritating. At least on level 3, hopefully it does not become unmanageable on the higher difficulties. I keep thinking that they nailed the environment aesthetics that games like Aliens: Fireteam Elite need to really be stellar. A Tyranid faction investing these levels would look amazing too
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JBP posted:Counterpoint: the ogryn can just stand there immune to damage from a daemonhost while you hit it in the back with power weapons.
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Regarding my posts about the braced autogun being accurate as hell earlier in the thread: I didn't realize there are 2 braced autoguns MKII: Extremely accurate on first shot, maintains high accuracy on followup shots even full-auto (as long as you are stationary and braced, on both counts) MKVIII: Trash. Trash, trash, trash. Doesn't have pinpoint accurate first shot, struggles with recoil, doesn't maintain accuracy at full-auto. Zero advantages over the MKII. (It's not actually trash but it is FAR worse than the MK2 at dealing with long range combat and I will never buy one again) deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 03:56 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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JBP posted:Counterpoint: the ogryn can just stand there immune to damage from a daemonhost while you hit it in the back with power weapons. Literally did this on my 2nd dark mission tonight and it was loving tasty. God help you if the Ogryn doesn't have aggro tho, someone is dying.
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Nov 27, 2022 03:53
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deep dish peat moss posted:Regarding my posts about the braced autogun being accurate as hell earlier in the thread: I didn't realize there are 2 braced autoguns There are in fact three, for whatever reason. Graia is the other and while not Incredible is a lot of fun.
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Nov 27, 2022 03:57
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SplitSoul posted:What's the trick to the grenade one? Just gotta dial in the angle and get a little bit of luck. I feel like I was looking up at a 45-50 degree angle and just chucked one toward a crowd. It was on the new map, one of the larger open areas.
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cerebral posted:I can understand the Ogryn hate when people play him as a tank that always has to be in front of everyone blocking doors and sight-lines. I play as more of a sheep-dog role, making sure that my special killers are clear to do their jobs, using my height to mark enemies, and using my grenade gauntlet to kill distant specials/carry Veterans who couldn't find their rear end with both hands and a map. This is how it was intended to be played I am sure, this is what I do and every other good Ogryn player I've seen does as well.
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Orv posted:There are in fact three, for whatever reason. Graia is the other and while not Incredible is a lot of fun. Wait, is there a Graia Braced autogun? I think I've only seen the Graia Infantry Autogun. e: This game really needs better weapon names.
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So what's the trick to the ogryn's "charge 75m" penance? Take the long-charge talent and hope your boys kill enough elites to speed up Bullfighter?
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Nehru the Damaja posted:So what's the trick to the ogryn's "charge 75m" penance? Take the long-charge talent and hope your boys kill enough elites to speed up Bullfighter? Yep!
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deep dish peat moss posted:Regarding my posts about the braced autogun being accurate as hell earlier in the thread: I didn't realize there are 2 braced autoguns Is the MKII the one where even on ADS it has a sort of shotgun spread pattern for its reticle? People like that one?
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terrorist ambulance posted:Is the MKII the one where even on ADS it has a sort of shotgun spread pattern for its reticle? People like that one? All of the Braced Autoguns have that, but the MK2 in particular (compared to the MK7) has a very accurate, tight spread within that reticle while the MK7 is wild and all over the place. The MK2 can easily pick off snipers across the map, the MK7 could never hope to. e: I don't mean the specific MK2 and MK7 in that screenshot either, I mean all MK2s are high-stability, tight spread, lower damage per bullet but larger capacity. All MK7s are low stability in exchange for higher damage/stopping power - which are unnecessary because the Braced Autogun's damage and stopping power are through the roof already. The Mk7 is better for hipfiring at close range and can't handle long-range at all, vs. the Mk2 which is better at long range and can still handle close-range hipfiring very well. The MK2 is useful in all situations and can be a primary weapon that carries you through an entire mission, the MK7 is still a solid gun but it can't handle long range and leaves you forced into melee more often. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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deep dish peat moss posted:Wait, is there a Graia Braced autogun? I think I've only seen the Graia Infantry Autogun. There is, it is also SMG-ish.
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deep dish peat moss posted:These dark missions are pretty tough but the worst map condition is still having an Ogryn with a shield on your team. At least in the dark maps you can use your guns. Counterpoint: More Ogryns, From another goon streaming the other night: https://www.twitch.tv/vatthammer/video/1663029490
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Orv posted:There are in fact three, for whatever reason. Graia is the other and while not Incredible is a lot of fun.
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SplitSoul posted:What's the trick to the grenade one? At the end of a mission that has you get to extraction but there's a long distance to the tunnel you came out of, and hordes are coming after you, chuck grenades. But really chuck a few grenades in a mission and note that they do have a time before they detonate. Huck 'em across a map into a horde and you should do it.
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Uuuuuh, I think the "Lacerate" trait on daggers is bugged and triggers off its own bleed ticks. Try hitting an enemy once with it, and watch the bleed damage ticks become higher and higher until it hits the max (seems to be 30).
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Moose King posted:SAME, first time seeing one and it showed up twice in the same mission. It auto killed two of us and we sat there while our level 2 Vet who never pulled out his melee weapon slowly CODed his way through the dark map, only to get pounced by a hound right as the bot ally was replaced by a Psyker, who head popped the hound but then exploded themself doing further head pops instead of getting the Vet up and failed the mission for us. The AI is absolutely incapable of reviving people and it's the loving worst
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Broken Cog posted:Uuuuuh, I think the "Lacerate" trait on daggers is bugged and triggers off its own bleed ticks. It does! It leads to some pretty silly things at the moment.
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SplitSoul posted:What's the trick to the grenade one? Aim high.
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Good tip on the Butcher MK3 knife for the Ogryn, that thing is great. I do miss the shield though when I'm getting peppered from a distance by machineguns.
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Is there any chance lore-wise that we'll get a Space Marine execution target? This might be the first WH40k game that would be capable of doing the concept of a Space Marine justice and it would be rad to see one included that was a true honest space marine rather than a chaos marine (which would also be cool, maybe even as a mid-mission monstrosity?).
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I dunno if they added it this patch or if I somehow just missed it before today, but I noticed the medicae servitor asks if it can heal your ravaged body. GOTY.
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Medicae Servitors have great lines in general. Once they're out of juice they start muttering about how worthless and useless and depressed they are
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So you know the nurgle juice the Beast of Nurgle leaves behind? It slows you down, but you can slide forever on it.
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Broken Cog posted:So you know the nurgle juice the Beast of Nurgle leaves behind? It slows you down, but you can slide forever on it. What the gently caress!? Got to try this
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deep dish peat moss posted:Is there any chance lore-wise that we'll get a Space Marine execution target? This might be the first WH40k game that would be capable of doing the concept of a Space Marine justice and it would be rad to see one included that was a true honest space marine rather than a chaos marine (which would also be cool, maybe even as a mid-mission monstrosity?). Fatshark has been quite clear that there will be no spess marines. I'm not sure if that allows for the loophole of Chaos space marines.
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Yeah, but in those same statements they also emphasized that they don't want the players to play as a space marine, this doesn't sound like it fully excludes the possibilty of enemy space marines: "There are actually no Space Marines in this game," Head of Design Victor Magnuson told Shacknews. "That was a choice we did early on. We want to focus on the human side or like a more day-to-day person and how would it be to be stuck in a hive city full of Poxwalkers and you have to fight to survive as a normal human being, instead of being this mega godlike Space Marine." A space marine execution target would emphasize just how small the humans are compared to the space marine which is why I want to see it! Broken Cog posted:So you know the nurgle juice the Beast of Nurgle leaves behind? It slows you down, but you can slide forever on it. Speaking of which, I have no idea if this will ever come in useful but I discovered that if you slide into an area where you cannot stand, your slide will not end until you can stand again. For example if you slide down these benches:  The point where your slide would end has the 2nd level of shelves/bunks above it and you're not capable of standing up, so you'll keep sliding until the end of the bench.
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deep dish peat moss posted:Also if all Ogryn can stop using their charge that would be rad. I can't think of any time I saw one and went "whoa that was used well" but I can think of dozens of times it scattered a horde I had controlled and got me overwhelmed or whatever. On higher difficulties, I've seen it used extremely well on crushers since it'll knock them over. We had 2 crushers and 4 ravagers and honestly the well timed ogryn charge let us easily finish off the crushers in the middle of the horde
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deep dish peat moss posted:this doesn't sound like it fully excludes the possibilty of enemy space marines:  I mean it would be cool but I don't think there's going to be space marines in the game
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deep dish peat moss posted:Is there any chance lore-wise that we'll get a Space Marine execution target? This might be the first WH40k game that would be capable of doing the concept of a Space Marine justice and it would be rad to see one included that was a true honest space marine rather than a chaos marine (which would also be cool, maybe even as a mid-mission monstrosity?). Yes and no, but the devs have said no space marines. Also if you haven't, play Space Marine - it's really solid, and I'm sure the sequel will be good as well.
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explosivo posted:
God I hope not. Let’s just have one without them
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This bug where things just randomly don’t count towards requisition completion is real annoying. Had three missions in a row now where my kills just didn’t count (but mission completion and scrip pickups did???).
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I'm already bummed the missions went from power outage to endless horde again, what the hell? Lights out is way loving cooler.
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Now I have a Boltgun Ho-ho-ho 
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SplitSoul posted:Now I have a Boltgun I literally made this same joke when I finally got a heavy stubber. God if my Ogryn can port around a heavy bolter one day I'll be the happiest little boy
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it's honestly way more frustrating when your team is just not killing stuff fast enough, taking too much damage, getting ground down, than it is when they run off on their own doing whatever silly thing would honestly rather fail fast than fail slowly
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Don't know if the Ogryn talent that makes grenade boxes break open and explode when you hit large enemies is actually good but it's certainly entertaining. Nailing a Crusher in the face used to knock it down, now it dies along with everything around it.
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deep dish peat moss posted:These dark missions are pretty tough but the worst map condition is still having an Ogryn with a shield on your team. At least in the dark maps you can use your guns. Weird. I love seeing them with a shield, especially if they can hold a door during a horde. Use melee, warp or energy weapons, problem solved. Ogryn has never blocked my voidstaff 
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NoEyedSquareGuy posted:Don't know if the Ogryn talent that makes grenade boxes break open and explode when you hit large enemies is actually good but it's certainly entertaining. Nailing a Crusher in the face used to knock it down, now it dies along with everything around it. It's certainly not always useful but every time I've had it go off I've absolutely demolished a huge chunk of a horde, or multiple ragers/brutes, or done most of the health of multiple crushers/reapers, etc. I definitely think it's worth it. The more crowded the area the better of course. It doesn't have to be just large enemies though, it'll work on maulers and I think maybe ragers? Could be misremembering that though.
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