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bob dobbs is dead posted:mao basically did that with the hundred flowers campaign https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg3nPQjcx2Q
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in an intersection of topics: https://twitter.com/DreyerChina/status/1596721748824641536
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ronya posted:in an intersection of topics: I'm watching the World Cup on CCTV. I have noticed this change after the first few games.
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ronya posted:in an intersection of topics: Are the people mad because they think the crowd should be masked or mad because they wouldn’t be allowed to not be masked at a similar event in China? I know there’s some serious protests against continued lockdown going on right now but I don’t know if that’s necessarily what’s causing the censorship
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thetoughestbean posted:Are the people mad because they think the crowd should be masked or mad because they wouldn’t be allowed to not be masked at a similar event in China? I know there’s some serious protests against continued lockdown going on right now but I don’t know if that’s necessarily what’s causing the censorship Chinese censorship is as baffling as it is petty. And it is as petty as it is arbitrary.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Chinese censorship is as baffling as it is petty. And it is as petty as it is arbitrary. thats every censorship bureau ever you can't get peeps with working minds if you're hiring for a censorship bureau, it's all fuckups and idiots anywhere you go
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Beefeater1980 posted:It’s a little bit nuts. On the one hand, the protests are really widespread which suggests some level of organisation even if it’s just student groups talking to each other, on the other hand, everyone seems pretty pissed off right now and this is a convenient escape valve for those feelings. I'm no expert on China, but I know a few things about protests and unrest and man China currently has any number of major things that in other countries would get people out in the street so the simplest answers are all 'people are just pissed off and don't feel like putting up with more bullshit.' That theorized reason isn't impossible, but why do it at a time when there are already a handful of other crises either simmering or on the verge of boiling over? China has, for as long as I can remember, erred heavily on the side of putting protests down as soon as humanly possible lest they spread and become a discrete movement. The baseline level of discontent seems far too high to take the risk of letting a protest movement manifest as a trap. That said, I know gently caress all about Xi's thinking so I could well be wrong. 'Why now?' is indeed a compelling question, but I can't help but come back to the surplus of things that people have to be fed up with. Plus if people in the internal security services also want covid restrictions relaxed or removed, good luck getting them to go after protestors with their customary zeal. With that said, I'm not a china understander, so I by all means defer to people more familiar with the local circumstances. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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thetoughestbean posted:Are the people mad because they think the crowd should be masked or mad because they wouldn’t be allowed to not be masked at a similar event in China? I know there’s some serious protests against continued lockdown going on right now but I don’t know if that’s necessarily what’s causing the censorship People are mad because they wouldn't be allowed to be unmasked. Or I guess, it's not so much about the masks themselves than it is watching people just living normal lives while currently things are very not normal here and everyone's just kinda being like "what's the point?" Herstory Begins Now posted:I'm no expert on China, but I know a few things about protests and unrest and man China currently has any number of major things that in other countries would get people out in the street so the simplest answers are all 'people are just pissed off and don't feel like putting up with more bullshit.' Because this is actually affecting most people and in very obvious ways. A lot of the things people talk about that are reasons for people to be that pissed off in China, they're not affecting that many people directly so no one cares all that much or doesn't wanna gently caress up what they got going. One of the big deals about it is that it's loving with people's money, but people don't feel comfortable saying that. There are laws in place that, at least for shorter lockdowns, require workers to still be paid. Enforcement is just about 0 though unless you can afford a lawyer and don't mind torching your job. So, lots of people are just locked down not getting paid, at least in Zhengzhou. And that's enough to get people going. We just entered our 2nd lockdown for this wave, the cause of which is unclear, we were "technically not locked down" a little bit ago but things didn't open up and it was still pretty much lockdown, and cases skyrocketed then. At our peak we were officially "not locked down." Now cases have gone down and then they decided to have another lockdown. That was after 3 days of "it starts tonight at midnight!" rumors which caused panic buying every day. The panic buying ends up with pissed off people too (though thats just a little extra) cuz then you can't find poo poo. BrainDance fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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On the plus side I haven't had to work in over a month and have played the gently caress out of the new pokemon
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https://twitter.com/zaobaosg/status/1596692790385049600 Direct link: http://paper.people.com.cn/rmrb/html/2022-11/27/nw.D110000renmrb_20221127_2-01.htm Front page of People's Daily quote:Strengthen confidence, do a solid job in the prevention and control of the epidemic
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BrainDance posted:On the plus side I haven't had to work in over a month and have played the gently caress out of the new pokemon one of the bigger self-owns this thread has had in a long time edit: also I haven't played them so maybe they are secretly amazing, I've been playing shin chan's summer vacation like a cool guy GoutPatrol fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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Good lord, its genuinely quite spectacular to see how far down a rabbit hole some people are while beckoning others to join. I am also in awe of just how many catchy slogans they managed to cram into that diarrhetic diatribe.
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GoutPatrol posted:one of the bigger self-owns this thread has had in a long time They're actually super good they just run like garbage Underneath the 3fps characters and game going in slowmo when it rains and looking like a 3ds game is the one of the better games I've played this year
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I'm "the cumulative number of confirmed cases of new crowns".
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Strategic Tea posted:tag urself, I'm 'fluke mentality ' 
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Herstory Begins Now posted:I'm no expert on China, but I know a few things about protests and unrest and man China currently has any number of major things that in other countries would get people out in the street so the simplest answers are all 'people are just pissed off and don't feel like putting up with more bullshit.' That theorized reason isn't impossible, but why do it at a time when there are already a handful of other crises either simmering or on the verge of boiling over? China has, for as long as I can remember, erred heavily on the side of putting protests down as soon as humanly possible lest they spread and become a discrete movement. The baseline level of discontent seems far too high to take the risk of letting a protest movement manifest as a trap. That said, I know gently caress all about Xi's thinking so I could well be wrong. I think a lot of it is people just hitting a breaking point, xi going full 1984 social currency poo poo. Going Uber covid zero when China has an easier path with western vaccines and lighter COVID precautions but xi has the party and the military and won’t back down, xi won’t last forever if his only response is just hardline authoritarian bullshit. I don’t think the ccp falls or anything but I can see if shut gets scary for them, xi toadies turn on him.
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People have been getting increasingly pissed all year, the Urumqi fire is just the dam breaking. Remember that for most of 2020 and 2021, things in China were largely normal while the rest of the world was in chaos. There was a national smugness, look we fixed covid while all those foreigners can't. Since omicron the quarantines have gotten so much harsher, now people in China are sitting in their apartments with loving walls up around them, possibly without food, while seeing the rest of the world seemingly back to normal and wondering why we can't go outside too. Then you add on ten people dying in a fire just because they couldn't escape or get help because of being sealed in and that evidently was the last straw for a whole lot of people.
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new crown disease = novel coronavirus, of course Wuhan: https://twitter.com/whyyoutouzhele/status/1596867762546429953 Chengdu: https://twitter.com/whyyoutouzhele/status/1596897213254610987 Beijing: https://twitter.com/whyyoutouzhele/status/1596906692364886016 https://twitter.com/vivianwubeijing/status/1596910447143587851 Security seems caught off-guard, with the tactic of quickly mobilizing non-security-bureau brawlers itself hampered by lockdown measures https://twitter.com/whyyoutouzhele/status/1596824175771258881 I'm quite surprised the governor in Wuhan came out to talk to protestors (apparently Wang Zhonglin; I see some sources say the Hubei party secretary came out to talk but Wang was until recently the party secretary so maybe that's the confusion there) - I thought Don't Be Zhao Ziyang was a received wisdom at this point If anyone wants a handy timeline, here: https://twitter.com/XinqiSu/status/1596790286411497472 ronya fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Nov 27, 2022 |
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I hope Emperor Xi gets a new crown.
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An observation on the stakes: https://twitter.com/jagordon/status/1596826275343372288 Broadly correct, but the point of reference for domestic Chinese unhappiness would not be the US or UK or India, but instead other countries that also achieved containment for much of 2020 and 2021.
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E: nvm, assuming that's 77% of deaths among the elderly
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https://twitter.com/china_protest/status/1596761861542019072 lol and also where the gently caress do you just get an alpaca on short notice?
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Grand Fromage posted:https://twitter.com/china_protest/status/1596761861542019072 what, have the reports of live exotic game available at the wet markets been overexaggerated?
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VSOKUL girl posted:what, have the reports of live exotic game available at the wet markets been overexaggerated? Oh no, I've seen those myself, but the largest things I ever saw there were green sea turtles. Alpacas are a bit much.
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Grand Fromage posted:https://twitter.com/china_protest/status/1596761861542019072 You don't have an alpaca guy? I'll pm you mine, he does good work.
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It's not really the transport that the issue but the alpackaging.
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Grand Fromage posted:https://twitter.com/china_protest/status/1596761861542019072 Exotic pets in China are a common occurrence. I bet there is some dude in Dongguan with like 20 king cobras in his apartment for maximum Douyin clout
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TheBuilder posted:Exotic pets in China are a common occurrence. I bet there is some dude in Dongguan with like 20 king cobras in his apartment for maximum Douyin clout
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These are my protest alpacas.
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Be careful, the authorities may not recognise the difference between an alpaca and a llama and may come to the conclusion that you are supporting Tenzin Gyatso.
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Incredible! Look at these courageous police risking their lives protecting a journalist from Covid. https://twitter.com/Shanghaishang10/status/1596875911457959938 [https://twitter.com/BBCNewsPR/status/1597000489513537536
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TheBuilder posted:Exotic pets in China are a common occurrence. I bet there is some dude in Dongguan with like 20 king cobras in his apartment for maximum Douyin clout There was a guy in my neighborhood with a goat, I'd see him out taking the goat for a walk occasionally. I have no idea what it's like having a goat living with you in a high rise apartment.
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Grand Fromage posted:There was a guy in my neighborhood with a goat, I'd see him out taking the goat for a walk occasionally. I have no idea what it's like having a goat living with you in a high rise apartment. From my experience with goats in more traditional settings, it would probably smell quite special in that apartment. Lady living near me has some chickens, but they have a ground floor apartment, so it's not particularly weird. Re: protests and stuff, it does seem to be coming down to the money. People here aren't as furious about their treats as elsewhere, but they do prioritise income, and that's been hurt by the various lockdowns. Problem is, it's hard to see a way forward. Other countries are able to get on with their lives because a lot of the most vulnerable people are already dead, and people there are used to hospitals being ridiculous for months at a time, and the population level effects of prolonged repeated viral infection haven't really been fully acknowledged yet. So... what to do? I feel that "zero covid lockdowns" and "covid fuckin' everywhere" are both undesirable, but since a country can choose to end the first but not the second, it is more unstable and therefore will decay over a sufficiently long timescale. I suppose it comes down to, "how much do you value the lives of a significant percentage the old and vulnerable?", on a scale from "USA!" to "???".
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Most of the stuff I’ve seen on my WeChat feed has been people complaining to the Dabai that they don’t want to do any more tests because they’ve had no income for months. One video that got taken down was great, this lady with a strong Beijing accent just going nuts on them: “I’m not testing again, I’m not I’m not I’m not! I’m never testing again! You just make things up, you say “positive” and someone’s positive, you say “negative” and they’re negative. I make 8,000 RMB a month and it’s been 3 months now with no income. You’ve told me I have to test, I’m not going to test. OK, you’ve completed your mission, thank you, you can go.” And the poor guy tries to talk her into it and calls his boss over and she goes ham on him too. “Who are you? I want to talk to your leader. Tell me their name and their telephone number.” And the new guy, who sounds older her, tells her “the whole world is doing this” and she goes “Oh so everyone’s dead in Qatar then are they?” Pissed off, eloquent, fast-paced arguing in Chinese is a dream to listen to. She was so quick with a comeback to everything. E: the other one is people lawyering their way around things, enthusiastically if not entirely accurately. As Ronya has mentioned before, the Chinese constitution has quite a few civil rights in it (cf A35 which grants citizens freedom of speech, the press, assembly, association, procession and demonstration). It’s noticeable that apart from that one guy who called for the government to step down, most of the protestor demands are: 1. Stop Zero Covid Policy 2. Stop locking people up for complaining (eg about the ZCP) Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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