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John Wick of Dogs posted:I'm playing Jedi Fallen Order right now and Cere said she escaped in a prison riot, and approximately five minutes later I ran into Saw Guerrera. I don't think she was in Andor's prison for obvious reasons but it's interesting that there were multiple prison riots happening within a small time frame, it really does fit with everything else going on. Cameron Monaghan and Debra Wilson would absolutely kill it in the Andor aesthetic too. Solid actors.
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Jinnigan posted:so here's a good example, pointed out on the More Civilized Age podcast: leida's chant (chapt 11) must a new chant, because it's a chant about the old ways. if it were an actual old chant then it would just be the old way itself. it's a manufactured, idealized tradition, an imagined cultural past. The episode contrasts this heavily against the actually existing, actually practiced tradition of ferrix's funerary bricks. in ferrix nobody says "these are the old ways." people just say "these are our ways, which we are doing, and have always been doing." it says a lot about the political trends going on in star wars, and the history of the respective societies. The dynamic you're describing still exists though. Leida herself has newly discovered the chant on her own. She was not raised with the old ways and so they are new to her. They old ways are artificial and idealized to her, just as you say. I think it's somewhat important to not assume the chant itself is new just because it talks about the old ways, as that over-emphasizes modern perspectives and misses how traditional the appeal to tradition is.
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Parkingtigers posted:Tacky? TACKY?! Sir, I was leaning forward in my seat nodding with approval at clarinet greebles because that's pure OG Star Wars design aesthetic right there. I love the kitbash aesthetic as much as anyone (the Polaroid SX-70 as a navigational tool was cool as heck), but it was just a little funny seeing what is clearly a French horn with stuff glued onto it being used as... a French horn. But actually playing those instruments in the scene makes me look past all of that, because that's just way too badass
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teagone posted:Cameron Monaghan and Debra Wilson would absolutely kill it in the Andor aesthetic too. Solid actors. I loved Fallen Order, but I hope (and imagine they would) keep these sorts of cameos and connections out of Andor Season 2. Yes it has Mon Mothma as a character, but it is interested in telling her story as it applies to the concept of rebellion. The other cameos are all Rogue One characters, which both feels appropriate, and are also tied into rebellion. Andor seems more interested in telling it's own insular little stories in the shadow of this greater one. I feel a Cal and co cameo would be better fit for a Kenobi sequel, and more thematically appropriate since that revolves around Jedi hunting / Inquisitor stuff.
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Nov 27, 2022 23:35
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I will laugh if right at the end of season 2 , we get a scene of Syril being told that he's just been recommended for a posting on Scarif. 
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Isometric Bacon posted:I loved Fallen Order, but I hope (and imagine they would) keep these sorts of cameos and connections out of Andor Season 2. I agree, and am only suggesting what options would be the most natural fit only if Gilroy wanted to write in any existing Jedi he'd need for a 3-episode arc for season 2. The Mantis crew would look great in the live-action Rogue One/Andor aesthetic, but Cal and all the other crew members would 100% definitely be better served in a cameo for the upcoming Ahsoka show. gently caress the Kenobi the show, lol.
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Wouldn't Cal and co. showing up in Ahsoka run into the issue of Fallen Order happening some 23 years prior? Fallen Order starts in 14 BBY, Ahsoka is reportedly taking place at the same time as Mando, so around 9-10 ABY. As much as I love Cameron Monaghan, asking him to play a character who would be in their late 40s/early 50s at best is a bit of a stretch even with the miracle of CGI aging. e: Holy poo poo, what if something happened to Cal and the lil' buddy helping Mando build his rat rod is BD-1? 
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Just throw a beard on Monaghan, it'll be fine.
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What year is Andor taking place?
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John Wick of Dogs posted:What year is Andor taking place? 5 years before the Battle of Yavin, roughly contemporaneous with Rebels Season 1.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:What year is Andor taking place? 5-4ish BBY
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It was kind of a dumb move to put that right at the start of the first episode, presuambly some studio mandate. When Cass gets sentenced to 6 years you immediately think "well this is barely 4 years before Rogue One now, so obviously he's going to get out" where without that message telling us what year it is it could potentially be possible he might actually serve a whole 6 year sentence in that place.
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2house2fly posted:It was kind of a dumb move to put that right at the start of the first episode, presuambly some studio mandate. When Cass gets sentenced to 6 years you immediately think "well this is barely 4 years before Rogue One now, so obviously he's going to get out" where without that message telling us what year it is it could potentially be possible he might actually serve a whole 6 year sentence in that place. I think the question wasn't really "does he escape" but how he does and what changes about him along the way. Setting the sentence long enough that we know he gets out was deliberate so the audience knows what to care about and where the stakes were. Really there haven't been a ton of twists for twists sake in the show, it's been pretty respectful of the audience just setting things up and paying them off. It's not a jack in the box surprise that keeps you watching, but exploring the interiority of all the characters on a journey. I got caught up in treating the sister thing like a puzzle box because of TV conditioning, but it's just not that kind of show.
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Something in Andor just occurred to me regarding the soundtrack - for the most part it's nothing like John Williams orchestral scores... until the funeral. We get a full on marching band (closest thing to an Orchestra so far) to tea up the moment when Maarva really steps up and spits in The Empires eye. The weakest part of Rogue One for me was the music - for the most part it was trying to be or recycling John Williams and falling short (which is fair, given the very short time it apparently had to be produced in) and it just doesn't match the tone for most of the film - with the exception of the third act at Scarif where it absolutely works.
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I feel like Star Wars as a franchise only suffers from trying to hew too close to a Williams-esque score all the time. I'm glad we have newer material like Andor (and to a lesser extent Mando/Boba) that are trying to do their own thing. e: Now I really want a supercut of the Andor theme that incorporates elements from all the different mixes used in each episode. Bloody Pom fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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Nov 28, 2022 01:03
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Disney is pushing the show now. I saw an ad for Andor during a football game this afternoon, that's not cheap.
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I really hope the S2 post-production gets a healthy supply of Iger-bucks to speed it along, because otherwise two years is going to be torture.
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stev posted:Honestly you can't think of it as a prequel. It is one but it stands on its own far more than any other prequel or sequel in Star Wars. All that matters in any of this is execution. To dredge up an old Ebert canard: It's not what something is about, it's how it's about it. Andor's premise is just a line to drape a whole lot of interesting ideas, concepts, performances, settings, and entertaining set pieces. Love Rat fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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I think there is so much to like about Andor and I'm sort of obsessed with it. That said, different strokes for different folks, and a lot of casual and hardcore fans aren't going to like it. If your idea of Star Wars is fun, pulpy space opera adventure paced to within an inch of its life, you might not like Andor's direction. If your idea of SW is some Manichean good v. evil story where good guys all white hat all the way, you're definitely not going to like it. Andor murking the rentacop will be an instant turnoff (in fact, I think they opened with it to establish right from the start what kind of show it was going to be). Even as I watched it I realized that there's a perfectly valid philosophical reason for someone not liking it. Is it Star Wars? Does it scratch that SW itch? For me, it totally does, but for others it's clearly not going to. Now, if someone wants to attack Andor in terms of quality, dramatic value or its right to exist as SW license, I'll laugh in their faces. But not liking it is perfectly fine. For some, Jedis are the whole reason to watch it. I do think some of the objections stem from pearls before swine poo poo, and obviously the white boy chud youtube commentariat rejection of everything since Lucas sold the property is part of the inevitable backlash, but I'm cool with good-faith dislike of the series.
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One objection I don't have a lot of time for is "even if this show really is good it's a Star Wars product and only exists to sell toys like any other". Yeah dude it's called capitalism, your favourite movie exists to make money as well
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I'm sure this has been alluded to if not discussed in depth in the many pages I've been skimming since the finale dropped, but — One thing that I kind of really appreciate a lot about Andor is how every bit of it could be completely transplanted to some other setting, every piece of "sci-fi" or "Star Wars" excised from it, and it would work perfectly fine. There's nothing about it that requires it to be set in the SW universe, or to include space or hover bikes or lightsabers or energy blasters or holograms. You could do exactly the same story in Vichy France or feudal Japan or any number of fictional settings without changing anything fundamental about the story. Some might consider it a knock against the show that it isn't bringing anything "unique" to the table in the sci-fi genre, but I would rather see it as being in the tradition of ANH, which spawned a whole cottage industry of fan reinterpretations, recasting Luke and Leia and Han as al-Qaeda operatives fighting against America with R2 and C3PO as Rosencrantz-and-Guildenstern types with a running peanut gallery of comic relief as they plan an assault on its aircraft carrier in the Gulf and so on. It's kind of part of the same continuity as the movie itself being the lift that it was from its own inspirations, as far removed in genre as they were from anything having to do with "a galaxy far far away".
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Love Rat posted:Andor murking the rentacop will be an instant turnoff (in fact, I think they opened with it to establish right from the start what kind of show it was going to be). i really like that it's a tonal callback (to the future chronologically) to the first Andor scene in Rogue One where he kills his informant
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2house2fly posted:One objection I don't have a lot of time for is "even if this show really is good it's a Star Wars product and only exists to sell toys like any other". Yeah dude it's called capitalism, your favourite movie exists to make money as well yeah it's a dullard's critique. "you think we should improve society somewhat, yet you participate in it" one step removed.
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I hope some high school marching band does the funeral music at a band review Just jammed in between all the Sousas
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It's one of the best adaptations of John le Carre to the screen since the 70s 
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Data Graham posted:You could do exactly the same story in Vichy France or feudal Japan or any number of fictional settings without changing anything fundamental about the story. The thing is a lot of SW is derived from other genres anyway: jidaigeki, westerns, WWII ace pilot films, WWII squad/rescue films, etc. etc. And you can do anything you want with it. A lot of the stories in the rest of the canon can be transposed into other settings. Andor leans into the spy thriller. SW has always borrowed and lifted from other genres. Basically, some people are mad that it's not essentially a western, samurai or patriotic war movie. Love Rat fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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There really needs to be a Star Wars Tokusatsu. Maybe bad batch is the closest to that, but I want full transformation sequences and monsters of the week. Also I keep finding myself surprised at how much I like Cal Kestis. From the game previews I got really nothing from him but I've played this game four hours and just really like him a lot, I hope he gets to be in one of the Disney plus shows. John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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I want the following SW: SW does Macross love triangle set in the foundations of the republic. SW does droid cyberpunk/Ghost in the Shell/Metropolis (Japan) thing (doing the droid uprising angle right) SW does feudal civil war SW does underworld noir and/or straight up imperial LA Quartet. SW does workplace comedy (I'm thinking more Blue Stripe than Lower Decks) SW does Dallas.* *edit: I jokingly meant porn, but a tycoon 80s primetime soap would be awesome. Love Rat fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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Obviously star wars has a long history of genre dabbling but usually it's done on a surface level and/or badly and/or quickly and/or any genre elements are ultimately subservient to "an evil cartoon wizard did it". I think what confuses disney wars fans about andor in some cases is not the genre engagement itself but that it doesn't come with all of that baggage
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It kind of surprises no one has done a straight-up ace pilot/fighter squadron movie or show set whenever.
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Love Rat posted:It kind of surprises no one has done a straight-up ace pilot/fighter squad movie or show set whenever. I LOVED rogue squadron as a kid; hell, my first online handle growing up was Rogue One but I hosed up the spelling and dropped the one some time in the mid 00's and adding the Y shortly after.
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Love Rat posted:It kind of surprises no one has done a straight-up ace pilot/fighter squadron movie or show set whenever. As far as anyone knows that's what the patty jenkins movie was supposed to be. But for some reason they decided patty jenkins should direct it and the project went straight to poo poo from there No Mods No Masters fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Nov 28, 2022 |
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^^^ After WW1984 I really hope she's finished as superhero movies go. That was a malpractice of a movie and has probably wrecked Wonder Woman until a reboot. Like holy poo poo, it's only redeeming value is how bizarre it is, but my god so bad and problematic. I can't wait for the funeral march to drop on spotify. The uploads on youtube tend to be bad beause it's cut across the action scenes when it gets muted. Even then I've replayed it several times and get goosebumps everytime. Godamn, if nothing else they absolutely nailed the core of the finale in that.
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Love Rat posted:It kind of surprises no one has done a straight-up ace pilot/fighter squadron movie or show set whenever. When the Rogue One title was revealed this was what I initially thought it was going to be, and was disappointed that it wasn't. Whilst I enjoyed Rogue One, I always felt a bit disappointed, not only because of that, because I felt it was an unnecessary prequel to recontexualise a story that had already been told. But yes, an X-Wing pilot movie in the realm of Topgun would be incredible. Was there any word on the Patty Jenkins stuff, or did it just quietly disappear?
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Love Rat posted:It kind of surprises no one has done a straight-up ace pilot/fighter squadron movie or show set whenever. I absolutely thought that's what Rogue One was going to be when it was first announced. It really seems like a no-brainer, since that's essentially what the climax of the very first movie was. A live-action series exploring the gritty underworld of Star Wars was actually the first thing Lucas wanted to do after the prequels. It turned out to be too expensive, so they went with developing Clone Wars instead, but they hired writers and wrote a bunch of scripts, which were passed on to Disney. Between that and 1313 being canceled, it seems like that's just a hard thing to make work, for whatever reason.
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The structure of this new show is really one of the strongest points, I started watching it when there were just a handful of episodes and it managed to pull off several compelling arcs - ultimately culminating in Andor getting arrested at the beach while out getting a pack of cigarettes. I thought it was a hilarious way to end things but set up a good impression of how things were going in the setting. But, yeah, every episode and every small set of episodes has solid payoff. This is the best Star War and it managed the scale of the stakes very well.
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Thundercracker posted:^^^ After WW1984 I really hope she's finished as superhero movies go. That was a malpractice of a movie and has probably wrecked Wonder Woman until a reboot. Like holy poo poo, it's only redeeming value is how bizarre it is, but my god so bad and problematic. Patty Jenkins is also quite bad at action shooting, and she had quit Thor 2 because Marvel wanted the VFX and stunt teams to pre-vis and choreograph all of the complicated action without her total control. She doesn't seem very good about letting experts do their job without her input. A Rogue Squadron movie by her wouldn't have been very good. You know who should get it because she did all the best space combat stuff recently? Bryce Dallas Howard.
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Chronojam posted:I thought it was a hilarious way to end things but set up a good impression of how things were going in the setting. ...there are still five more episodes after he gets arrested? To be fair it does feel like a natural place to end it - a mate of mine finished episode 7 and also thought it was the season finale. chitoryu12 posted:You know who should get it because she did all the best space combat stuff recently? Bryce Dallas Howard. 110%
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chitoryu12 posted:You know who should get it because she did all the best space combat stuff recently? Bryce Dallas Howard.  I’m on board with that
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Rougey posted:...there are still five more episodes after he gets arrested? Went into watching with zero background and thought it was one of those "whole season up to stream" shows, so at the time, it really was the end. The real finale is incredible for other reasons, but, "accidentally goes to jail now" is amazing in its own ways.
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