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Joker and Makoto essentially co-lead the group, with Makoto being the logical brains and Joker being the emotional heart. Joker needs Makoto since he's not immune to being a brain dead moron on occasion, and likewise Makoto needs Joker because she's not immune to giving into despair or losing sight of the group's higher purpose. It would be really nice if Joker was less of a silent protag to really hammer this dynamic home but self inserts gotta self insert.
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Nov 28, 2022 23:18
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since they pretty much go by the phansite posts from summer onwards, the co-lead for the PTs is actually Mishima
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Nov 28, 2022 23:22
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akechi/joker is the top fanfic pairing. fujoshis, man
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Nov 28, 2022 23:27
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it is pretty funny that the phansite is instrumental to the group and Mishima gets zero respect for it, like even as everybody is constantly scrolling through it in Hawaii everybody whines about how Mishima won't shut the gently caress up about it.
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Nov 28, 2022 23:28
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Good, gently caress Mishima
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Nov 28, 2022 23:56
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goethe.cx posted:akechi/joker is the top fanfic pairing. fujoshis, man Sounds like they have a better read on the game than most.
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Nov 28, 2022 23:58
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Mishima is almost worse than Teddy I've had royal for a while but never played past the intro until now. I didn't realize just how many little things they added that make it so much less of a pain. And the extra money at the beginning so I can just ignore money grinding is awesome
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Nov 28, 2022 23:58
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Janitor Ludwich IV posted:if it's unethical to date someone who therapises you why is the school therapist always trying to lure children into his office with treats, especially the main character Spoiler: Because he's not a very good therapist.
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Nov 29, 2022 00:02
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Yoshizawa is Cinderella and Joker is Prince Charming. Akechi/Joker is the better pairing though.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Spoiler: Because he's not a very good therapist. Has anyone ELSE tried rewriting reality to simple erase trauma?
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goethe.cx posted:akechi/joker is the top fanfic pairing. fujoshis, man If Joker or Akechi were genderswapped it would be the top het pairing instead. This is because Akechi/Joker is good actually.
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It's a very simple gag but I still love Akechi trying to be cool by casually grabbing your food but accidentally eating the ultra spicy piece.
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Nov 29, 2022 00:10
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Akechi sucks, but in a fun way.
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Nov 29, 2022 00:14
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Ytlaya posted:I've weirdly found myself almost never recruiting demons on this playthrough. I just fuse them all (which is easier because of how easy it is to get money in Royal). I don't think I've recruited a single demon using dialogue since the first Palace. Early game you're hard limited by level, so unless you completely ignore recruiting and Momentos you wind up just being capped. Mid-game, with access to endless money and the Strength fuse-above-your-level thing, means anything you recruit is probably three fuses away from being something you might not have. Before I was 70 I was rocking all level 85+ personas. I'm halfway through January with a 90-something percent compendium just from fusing as much as I can and that bright red NEW tag is becoming increasingly rare. I don't really have an objection to it. Despite their attempts at making it less random the negotiation is still pretty drat random. Eventually, on both versions, you're running over everything anyway and just praying you can fuse something new.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:het pairings, are fail Jokers bumble profile says "poly and partnered, here for the gays and theys"
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HootTheOwl posted:Has anyone ELSE tried rewriting reality to simple erase trauma? Naturally the therapist is the one who most requires therapy.
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drat I think I might be overleveled, I'm just instakilling the enemies in the December Palace. Also for some reason I can't get Futunshi or whatever to show up while fusing. Also couldn't get Cu Chulain to show up when fusing the Faith Personas a tier above and under him together for some reason, even though it worked with Network fusion. Fusioning is confusioning.
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I'm loving the hell out of this game - been itching to play it since I finished P4G when it was first released for PC. Unfortunately, I hosed up and locked in the Makoto romance before I realized that Haru is the absolute best. Her showtime animation with Makoto is the best, the "adieu" AOA splash is the best, everything owns. Dumb question (mid-January) - when my rank 10 dudes start asking to hang out after school and I'm assuming they do the final Persona upgrade - do I need to talk to them on the day they come up to me and ask to hang out, or can I just do it whenever I have time? Also, are there enough free days to get all of them upgraded, hit mementos to finish up one quest, take Sumire to 10, and have four last second levels? Yosuke is still at 9, Tower is at 7, but everything else is maxed,
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Dramatika posted:I'm loving the hell out of this game - been itching to play it since I finished P4G when it was first released for PC. Unfortunately, I hosed up and locked in the Makoto romance before I realized that Haru is the absolute best. Her showtime animation with Makoto is the best, the "adieu" AOA splash is the best, everything owns. You can do it whenever you want.
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Morphogenic96 posted:Naturally the therapist is the one who most requires therapy. I kinda wanted to hold off on it for a few days until I'm truly finished with the game but this new ending segment feels a little hamfisted. Like I'd get it if it was Sumire - a young girl so tormented that she went down the weirdest possible path - would be naive enough to think as long as she can just fix this one thing the world would be perfect and that should apply to everyone. Maruki doesn't get a pass on this. In his years of research he never once stopped to think about the What If God Answered Every Wish problem? He never considered what would happen when life poo poo on someone more than once? Happiness for two people meaning conflicting things? He got some random high school kid to consult with him but just skipped all the thinking aside from that? The PT crew are equally baffling on this. There's this existential question of dicking with free will sitting there but that's the Phantom Thief job description so welp. There's definitely a spot for are we the baddies? to come up. Sure Maruki needs to be stopped but we should also put down this power as it is inherently just as bad. Instead of any of this, the reason they all jump to is (paraphrasing) "We're just not gonna play by your rules, man" and that's... it. They're effectively just attacking the guy who did their job better.
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I'm wondering if I hosed up with my members' skills. Like I removed healing from Ann cause I figured I could replace her healing with items. I took Makoto's single Physical skill away instead of getting rid of her, uh, status effect. Haru is jam packed with both Psy & Gun Boost/Amps, so all she has is her Psy spells, her Gun skill, and Evade Nuke. Also not too sure how Boost, Amp, and Magic Ability work together.
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Started playing Strikers and while I'm not sure if the gameplay style is for me, it's hard not to get pumped when that Last Surprise remix is playing.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:drat I think I might be overleveled, I'm just instakilling the enemies in the December Palace. Yea idk I’m only on the second palace but I have yet to really encounter anything very challenging. If I make a mistake it’s punished pretty severely, the enemies hit hard, but I can usually wipe them in a turn or two so it doesn’t matter all that much I’m only on normal difficulty though so maybe it’s my fault. Tbh I’m more enjoying this game for the chill escapism anyway so whatever I don’t feel the need to pump things up too much
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:I'm wondering if I hosed up with my members' skills.  That said, you can restore forgotten thieves skills at the church.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:I'm wondering if I hosed up with my members' skills. I've made pretty much the same moves and feel no worse for the wear. Makoto doesn't learn a physical skill stronger than medium anyway, so I gave her an accessory letting her use Gigantomachia and that was that.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Like I removed healing from Ann cause I figured I could replace her healing with items. I did all those things, except for Haru where I removed Psy Boost for... Debilitate or something. You didn't screw up and you'll never need to min/max hard. The real super tryhard death machine builds all require Jazz Club skills and building up everyone would take a bunch of NG+ cycles anyway. I'm perfectly fine with each character being a single damage type cranked up and maybe one misc support skill. As far as I know, unless it specifically says it doesn't stack (Counter, Counterstrike, etc) then passives stack multiplicatively until they cap at 2x. So for a persona all in on nuclear damage you'd want Nuke Boost and Nuke Amp and Magic Ability to hit the cap.
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Vargs posted:Started playing Strikers and while I'm not sure if the gameplay style is for me, it's hard not to get pumped when that Last Surprise remix is playing. A version of Royal but the palaces play like Strikers would be so freaking good
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Took the opportunity to start a second playthrough on PC on Merciless and it feels pretty well tuned. I had to make several attempts at the first palace boss and even had to go back and grind a bit in the palace but I think that's because I was sneaking past the red shadows instead of fighting them. You are very clearly supposed to get everyone to level 11 and gain all the skills that unlock with it but once that's in hand it went pretty smoothly. Would be nice if there was a list of required levels for each boss somewhere. Merciless definitely keeps you on your toes and kills you the moment you get sloppy but it hasn't required any metagaming or nontrivial optimization yet. Just enough bite to make victories feel earned. I'd recommend it for anybody who has already played through either version of the game at least once. Also drat I still haven't got over how lovely the uncapped framerate looks 
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I will say immediately after saying normal was a breeze I got popped by a security guard in Madarme's palace before I could ambush and the group basically one shotted joker, forcing me to re-run the entire section. poo poo can definitely go wrong pretty fast if you gently caress up
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That's my experience with all Nu Persona games on the highest difficulty in the early game. Perhaps 3 more than 4 but you absolutely do not want an enemy to get a turn at all or someone will probably die. I dunno what, if any, gameplay changes they'll make to the P3P port but it's the last Persona game I played a decent bit of. It's pretty brutal at the start. I'm still annoyed enemies weak to Light/Dark will dodge Hama/Mudo pretty regularly, while whenever they used them on my party, they almost always hit. Of course, P3P tweaked the Tired mechanic so it's no longer a real problem.
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Just started 3rd semester in Royal yesterday and  jesus christ Kasumi, I didn't expect that at all. Also Akechi being more blood frenzy sure is something (especially in combination with his Showtime with Joker)
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NikkolasKing posted:Going from P4, where the idea was that Shadows are a distorted caricature of who you are, to P5 where the message seems to be these are who in fact they really are, was always strange to me. I like that the rules change a little every game but here I'm pretty sure the common tread is repression. Shadows are your own unconscious narrative you can't accept, they only have a distant relationship to true and false or right and wrong. The big exception here is the Bank Palace guy, who is seemingly exactly the same personality on the inside as the one he projects on the outside. But then he's easily the flattest antagonist of the lot so I'm willing to ignore him to fit the theory.
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YaketySass posted:I like that the rules change a little every game but here I'm pretty sure the common tread is repression. Shadows are your own unconscious narrative you can't accept, they only have a distant relationship to true and false or right and wrong. Aren't the palaces and treasures basically just obsession to the point of it being a twisted impulse? And the shadows are just the manifested part of themselves that fuel that obsession Like it's how they see themselves as justified because they're the "King" of the school or the artist businessman, or I guess in Kaneshiro's case the stereotypical money obsessed Mafia guy? Honestly Kaneshiro seems like the odd one out of a lot of things. Feels like they added him in late in the development to give Makoto a reason to join earlier or something
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mmkay posted:Just started 3rd semester in Royal yesterday and Akechi also does all the work in the showtime and Joker just shoots the enemy at the end
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Mirello posted:this is such poor writing imo. same thing with ryuji, and hell, most of the phantom thieves. party member s-links should flesh out their chracters, not be totally contradictory. ryuji in his s link is so chill and has such a good head on his shoulders, and in the story is unbelievably stupid. late to this a bit but on replay of the game via Royal it really has hit me just how poorly/stupidly the game was written or constructed and makes me understand why some SMT fans legit view Persona as the babybrain game of the overarching IP
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tbh it's mostly p5 that has that problem. p4 have a dumb mystery but the cast is mostly stupid (literal) teenagers anyway and the p1/p2/p3 cast act like normal people.
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