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I'm considering getting more involved in the bargaining process if it's possible when it comes up again, but I'd really like to try and build more militancy within the union in the interim; I've been posting a lot of updates about the RR contract dispute and I'm getting a lot of feedback that seems to indicate I might be able to break at least a few more people away from...nice guy tactics I guess? Given the political nature of our business (and that we also have a business unit whose customer base is...literally unions, we bill it as a software for managing union functions) I'm a little perturbed by the lack of any sort of effort to pressure the company to pressure dems one way or another - though I'm not even sure where something like that would ultimately go since we'd be asking the company to essentially put two market sectors against each other but also...I don't care? Even if all they were able to do was release an internal PR that said "sorry we can't do this because we can't agitate our clients against each other in any capacity" it feels like just getting the company on record would help build more hardline support within the union to stop thinking about "but what about the electoral impacts??" and more towards "the election will be impacted until conditions improve" but I'm also afraid to come in too hot. Anyone have any general suggestions on it? e: was thinking about taking this stewardship session, it'd probably be a good idea to Be Involved and be a name that people can trust within the union? https://labornotes.org/events/2022/stewards-workshop-stewards-toolbox-december-2022 Lib and let die has issued a correction as of 21:40 on Nov 30, 2022 |
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Lib and let die posted:I'm considering getting more involved in the bargaining process if it's possible when it comes up again, but I'd really like to try and build more militancy within the union in the interim; I've been posting a lot of updates about the RR contract dispute and I'm getting a lot of feedback that seems to indicate I might be able to break at least a few more people away from...nice guy tactics I guess? my advice, based on being a steward and labor organizer (sorry if it's too basic or you already know this): learn how to have one-on-one organizing conversations, this is a great skill to have that is easily applicable to stuff beyond building an organizing committee. there is a general framework a lot of union organizers follow that is written about here: https://firewithfire.blog/2020/04/19/an-introduction-to-1-on-1-organizing-conversations/ You are already doing the first step - Agitate! - in my experience it's good to approach your coworkers by meeting them where they are, sounds like you have a grasp on this when you say you're afraid of coming in too hot so i want to reinforce that i don't have any direct experience with the labornotes course but some organizers I know love labornotes stuff. personally, i never got steward training when i got elected so i just googled stuff which will get you the knowledge, but what's really valuable imo are organizing/steward courses that let you workshop stuff with other organizers. plus networking is really valuable! feel free to dm with questions, or post them here but i'm bad at checking these forums and that will probably never change
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i admit i haven't read it, but many people i trust bigly say the gold standard how-to manual is No Shortcuts by Jane McAlevey
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How To Jump Start Your Union is also good, it's short and covers the story of how activists in the Chicago Teachers Union organized to take over the leadership of the union and launch the 2012 strike
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It's a very thin line in organizing to effectively get people to care about the union while you also criticize aspects of it...it's an approach that will always change based on who youre talking with and what their own concerns are / their capacity to care enough to give their time to working on it.
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https://twitter.com/x_lenc/status/1598037439712759808 this is the bargaining update that I need
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kingcobweb posted:https://twitter.com/x_lenc/status/1598037439712759808 Came for the union strengthening tips (thanks everyone!), staying for this
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It is not only ethical to make fun of him it's a goddamn moral obligation
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i know which guy they're talking about and he loving sucks
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Labor notes training stuff is good. Even if you're familiar with the topic of the training, it's cool to be around like minded folks and hear what they do.
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Yeah and not just on the day of, it's a good opportunity to meet people in your area in different industries and conditions you can bug in the future with questions. Networking but like good.
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Book I found useful: A Troublemaker's Handbook 2: How to Fight Back Where You Work and Win. You can get it on the labour notes website Mostly written for a US audience but I still found it useful. Covers a lot of topics including how to work within a sleepy union.
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I'm sorry but I'm very confused by the news reports. How many sick days did the union argue for, and how many are in the House vote that was passed? I'm seeing claims that House Democrats went out of their way to give them literally more than they bargained for, and I was born at night but not last night.
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm sorry but I'm very confused by the news reports. How many sick days did the union argue for, and how many are in the House vote that was passed? I'm seeing claims that House Democrats went out of their way to give them literally more than they bargained for, and I was born at night but not last night. the house dems passed something that imposes the poo poo contract, and then passed another thing that amends the poo poo contract to give 7 (i think) sick days. the eventual outcome is going to be that the senate passes the poo poo contract imposition and then the sick day amendment gets unexpectedly killed by that dastardly manchin who totally told us he was willing to consider it but unexpectedly betrayed us at the last second
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https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1...7u-bd0lpIraMvPc heres a open letter doc you can sign regarding the railroad strike worth a read more than likely changes nothing but at least it can be used to show how worthless the government is
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lmao getting reports of unions all over the country shrugging and saying "they tried their best"
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Lib and let die posted:Came for the union strengthening tips (thanks everyone!), staying for this you’re apparently not the only one that came.
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every local in the country that has a rep in their district that voted for this trash should be publicly shaming them and cutting ties with their office like yesterday.
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It isn't surprising but Jesus gently caress it's only 7 days
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https://twitter.com/sfchronicle/status/1598446341113663490 https://twitter.com/uaw2865/status/1598474382632161282 https://twitter.com/uawuci/status/1598430373318660096 https://twitter.com/uaw2865/status/1598453161626603521 https://twitter.com/miawantezzo/status/1598460458381758464 the school came back with a monstrously lovely wage proposal and pissed everyone off lol Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 02:11 on Dec 2, 2022 |
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After a bit of a fight, Noble Knight Games got voluntary recognition for their union. https://twitter.com/NkgUnited/status/1598385932721442816
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Shear Modulus posted:UAW unofficial partial election vote count presidents gonna go to a runoff, but yeah. regionally the incumbency got destroyed, turns out when you let membership actually vote on whether or not you should be allowed to embezzle from the union coffers they say No lol. there hasnt been a wide repudiation of the Reuther Caucus in nearly 70 years, this is a genuinely earth shattering moment for the UAW and american labor in general. theres no lame duck period either, once the election results are finalized the new caucus gets seated in 7 days. I would say for anyone here whos in UAW, check out UAWD in your region, theres tremendous potential for building something new happening right now
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oh also Region 9 directorship will go to a runoff. I think some VP slots will but idk how the math breaks out on those positions, the 2 reform slate candidates i think secured a majority already though, theres more seats up for contention after that though.
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The UK has reached the striking is unpatriotic and pro-Russian stage of anti-worker insanity.
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quote:Hello and good afternoon, quote:I almost messaged on slack last night. Any rebuke would come from the National Union to the candidate/committee. We wouldnt come out as individual locals to the detriment of the membership. Even though I am very disappointed, she was clearly a better choice over Bolduc.
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I signed up to be a member of our Communications Committee so I'm hoping I can start slipping some radicalizing stuff into our communications 
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Good poo poo. Feel like this is a good organizing moment for people, anybody remotely plugged in to their local could be using this to push condemnation for any endorsements of an elected who voted Yes on the bill. Its a very very clear cut case of Dems and Republicans telling workers to eat poo poo, I know a lot of people I talk w/ are pissed off about this
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In Training posted:Good poo poo. Feel like this is a good organizing moment for people, anybody remotely plugged in to their local could be using this to push condemnation for any endorsements of an elected who voted Yes on the bill. Its a very very clear cut case of Dems and Republicans telling workers to eat poo poo, I know a lot of people I talk w/ are pissed off about this I think the problem I'm going to run into is that there are a lot of people in the org that are still deeply rooted in...for lack of a better term, the "Bernie Sanders movement" and haven't really separated from the party yet. Someone in the slack put out a call to action for people to phonebank for Warnock and when I pointed out that he couldn't even bother to show up to cast a token no vote the response was generally "well you know, I kind of have to forgive him because he's got some Other Stuff going on" and that's when I had to go find something else to do for a while lmao
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Lib and let die posted:I think the problem I'm going to run into is that there are a lot of people in the org that are still deeply rooted in...for lack of a better term, the "Bernie Sanders movement" and haven't really separated from the party yet. Someone in the slack put out a call to action for people to phonebank for Warnock and when I pointed out that he couldn't even bother to show up to cast a token no vote the response was generally "well you know, I kind of have to forgive him because he's got some Other Stuff going on" and that's when I had to go find something else to do for a while lmao yeah, that's life in US labor, I'm lucky that I'm on a local that is *slightly* more receptive to alternatives (they've endorsed local DSA candidates) and it's still an uphill battle. Any cracks help though, it can help lay the groundwork for long term shifts. The hardest part is trying not to come across as a right-wing crank, cuz my state is a blue hive. Criticizing Democrats is always met with Well what you want TRUMP??? or w/e
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500 good dogs posted:hell yeah the lesser evil I mean sometimes you're stuck between a merely disappointing candidate and a "literally wants to shove me and my friends into a woodchipper" candidate. It sucks. Vote in primaries and do your best to pull the party left so you can get more actually good candidates where you're voting for something you want instead of voting to just avoid pain. In Training posted:yeah, that's life in US labor, I'm lucky that I'm on a local that is *slightly* more receptive to alternatives (they've endorsed local DSA candidates) and it's still an uphill battle. Any cracks help though, it can help lay the groundwork for long term shifts. Yeah that's a problem and I don't really know how to overcome it. The whole "If you're against Blue, you're Red!" reaction's a killer. Luckily I don't have to deal with it too much. Partly because I'm pretty quiet and shy in public about how socialist I actually am. Partly because...well I live in Texas. Alkydere has issued a correction as of 00:00 on Dec 8, 2022 |
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Alkydere posted:I mean sometimes you're stuck between a merely disappointing candidate and a "literally wants to shove me and my friends into a woodchipper" candidate. It sucks. a couple years ago i voted in a big primary for a candidate that would have pulled the party to the left and after he started winning they canceled the primary and said the guy who was in third place had won. What am i supposed to do then? Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 06:40 on Dec 8, 2022 |
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Alkydere posted:I mean sometimes you're stuck between a merely disappointing candidate and a "literally wants to shove me and my friends into a woodchipper" candidate. It sucks. bro wtf is this
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