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Weembles posted:You would have to think up a pretty specialist definition of slave for the helots not to count. Yeah, it's pretty unambiguous that Helots were slaves Paul Cartledge, The Spartans posted:The name ‘Helots’ means ‘captives’, and it was as the equivalent of war captives that the Helots were subjugated and exploited by the Spartans. On taking office in the autumn each new annual board of Ephors issued a proclamation to all the Spartans to ‘shave their moustaches and obey the laws’. Their very next public proclamation was a declaration of war on the Helots. This was designed to place the latter under martial law and to absolve any Spartans in advance from the taint of blood-guilt should they find it necessary or desirable to kill a Helot (as the members of the Crypteia regularly and of set purpose did). However, the Helots were not quite unique in the Greek world as a type of labour force: the Thessalian Penestae, for example, were an equivalent Greek ethnic group enslaved en masse to support their free Greek master class. However, the Helots were the most controversial group, not least because they were Greek and shared their masters’ culture and language, in sharp contrast to the typical slaves in Greece who were imported foreigners or ‘barbarians’. By the reckoning of their neighbors, the helots were the "White Slaves" of their day Cartledge again posted:Plato did not go anything like that far – indeed, slavery crucially influenced his own mode of thought; but he did report that the Helot system of the Spartans was the most controversial slave system in all Greece, presumably because the Helots were Greeks, not foreign barbarians like most of the unfree in the Greek world. However, the most telling comment on the ex-Helot Messenians was made by Isocrates, a professional rival of both Alcidamas and Plato, in a pamphlet dressed up as a speech by crown prince Archidamus in a dramatic context of about 366 BC. What upset Isocrates’ Archidamus the most was the Spartans having to put up with their former slaves lording it as free and independent citizens, in what had lately been their own back yard.
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the Spartans were so scared of their slaves and non-citizen subjects that they made it basically impossible for anyone new to become a Spartan citizen, so deeply conservative that their government was deliberately structured to make it almost impossible to pass legislation, so lazy that they considered even having hobbies to be a bit gauche, and spent most of their history as an irrelevant joke of a nation even their supposedly-great army ended up basically ceasing to exist long before the city itself actually did, because their low reproductive rate and absolute refusal to let anyone new become a citizen meant their population trended down so sharply that they effectively couldn't field troops anymore after Rome absorbed the city it became a tourist attraction for wealthy Romans to come gawk at these loving weirdos
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War and Pieces posted:Spartans sucked at anything but ritualized warfare but were surprisingly good at perfidious politicking. there was that one spartan who killed a bunch of gods, he’s pretty tough
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remember that time some Athenians lured some Spartans onto a tidal island and shot them all with arrows from the shore until the last of them surrendered in disgrace? lol
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I can't find the older version of the thread but I have been enjoying reading the LF Ron Paul 2012 thread. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3451862
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Shout out to the blue star who talks about how Ron is more normal than the other republican candidates in that election.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I can't find the older version of the thread but I have been enjoying reading the LF Ron Paul 2012 thread. weird it seems like almost everyone posting in that thread has the same avatar, was there some kind of mod thing where they all changed their avs to say PERMA BANNED
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Milo and POTUS posted:He's so loving funny  https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1292927011724304384 Leon Trotsky 2012 has issued a correction as of 03:40 on Nov 30, 2022 |
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Weembles posted:You would have to think up a pretty specialist definition of slave for the helots not to count. I agree that the helots were slaves. I don't think they were chattel slaves, which is a subset of slaves defined by their being able to be bought and sold, like most other chattels. It's a pretty widely used distinction. Western European serfs were also generally slaves. Can't leave = slave mostly. Mister Bates posted:the Spartans were so scared of their slaves and non-citizen subjects that they made it basically impossible for anyone new to become a Spartan citizen, so deeply conservative that their government was deliberately structured to make it almost impossible to pass legislation, so lazy that they considered even having hobbies to be a bit gauche, and spent most of their history as an irrelevant joke of a nation The Spartan army was not just Spartiates, it included Perioeci. The battle of Leuctra was the event that shattered their dominant position in Greece and they probably outnumbered their enemies. "Several ancient writers give figures for one or both of the armies, but, unfortunately, they are contradictory and, in some cases, unbelievable.[8] Modern scholars' estimates have varied from 6,000 to 9,000 for the Boeotian force.[9] For the Spartan side, most modern scholars favor Plutarch's figure of 10,000 in infantry and 1,000 cavalry.[9]" The battle of Mantinea was the largest land battle of the Peloponnesian war and the Spartans fielded about 9000 troops, with 3500 being the Spartan army proper.
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Are the Spartans the ones who got owned because the guy on the right was worried about his shoulder?
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Also Rick Perry's 'oops' And dancing with the stars having all these GOP losers
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Masked Singer is the new GOP reputation laundering tool as they get the viewer to build sympathy before the identity reveal
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HootTheOwl posted:Also Rick Perry's 'oops' The other candidates earnestly trying to help him always gets me
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RandolphCarter posted:there was that one spartan who killed a bunch of gods, he’s pretty tough gods aren't real randolph carter
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All the senators kneeling for George Floyd and then half of them needing help from staffers to stand up again Pelosi thanking George Floyd for being murdered
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the sex ghost posted:All the senators kneeling for George Floyd and then half of them needing help from staffers to stand up again Pelosi, in general, treating George Floyd like he was a heroic activist who knowingly gave his life for the cause
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Tankbuster posted:gods aren't real randolph carter Not since they were killed, no.
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HootTheOwl posted:Not since they were killed, no. this guy gets it
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on my screen this is just two titles over stacey and beto gets nothing lol lmao
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Technically First Emperor of Earth Abrams never actually used that title, she merely held most high political offices simultaneously and put on a pretense of being first among equals. It was only later this Kabuki theater was dropped and the Earth parliaments dissolved (in acid).
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That time the king of England wished to be reincarnated as a tampon.
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was just reminded of the fox news daily show rip off the "half hour news hour" and their animated short Guy White: Closet Conservative https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poQe6TtmqvM There are a whole bunch of these and they all give off really strong office mass shooter vibes
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DACK FAYDEN posted:on my screen this is just two titles over stacey and beto gets nothing
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Proust Malone posted:That time the king of England wished to be reincarnated as a tampon. 
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Animal Friend posted:The other candidates earnestly trying to help him always gets me I've always thought that Ron Paul, in a rare moment of lucidity, was piling on and trying to trip him up further like a naughty classmate. "No, no! It's five!" *Snicker*
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Remember when that cop took a bite out of his sandwich and forgot so he blamed antifa or something
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WHY BONER NOW posted:Remember when that cop took a bite out of his sandwich and forgot so he blamed antifa or something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDCaUpEEkhs He bought a mcchicken, took a bite out of it, forgot, and then noticed the bite when he tried to microwave it hours later. The news was all too happy to make this in to a big deal and then complete silence when it turned out he was a gross idiot bitch trying to microwave old mcdonalds.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I can't find the older version of the thread but I have been enjoying reading the LF Ron Paul 2012 thread. Found the 2008 ones. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2619669 https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2721268 Lmfao
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It wasn't a great movie but I do always laugh at that restaurant scene in super troopers.
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Yeah yeah Ben Shapiro lol he wants to gently caress his sister but seriously. Why don't mine look like that. Why don't they Edit: I'd even be ok with natural DD's. Even then it would be tolerable!! I just. Can we have a transfer? Just so things can be fair and equitable A Gin Palace has issued a correction as of 11:17 on Dec 2, 2022 |
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A Gin Palace posted:Yeah yeah Ben Shapiro lol he wants to gently caress his sister but seriously. Why don't mine look like that. Why don't they Have you tried getting pregnant OP
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A Gin Palace posted:Yeah yeah Ben Shapiro lol he wants to gently caress his sister but seriously. Why don't mine look like that. Why don't they Shes the same height as him, theyre only B cups
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MikeCrotch posted:Have you tried getting pregnant OP Assuming you dont want to or cant do this, and dont like the obvious option (boob job), they also can do fat grafts, like a Brazilian Butt Lift for your boobs. There are other options of varying degrees of dubiousness, like repeated rounds of weight gain/lipo, a bunch of different herbal poo poo that almost certainly doesnt work but might gently caress up your kidneys/liver,, and simulating pregnancy by intentionally inducing/encouraging lactation (sounds like a lot of work). Of course, I know about this stuff cause my wife went through breast cancer several years back, not because I'm a weird pervert! *michael-jackson-looking-back-at-the-camera-with-yellow-eyes-while-vincent-price-laughs.webm*
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