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i actually have a fair amount of sympathy for the language policy of ukrainian nationalists - i can absolutely see how this is an important thing which they feel justifies coercion. it's just that they make up an easily falsifiable narrative to support it. it's very silly.
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Dec 1, 2022 23:14
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I'm too lazy to fix the auto translate, but this shouldn't be too hard to parse. This is from the "post-Stalin" section.https://src-h.slav.hokudai.ac.jp/publictn/46/shiokawa/shiokawa1.html#1-1 posted:Here we have to think about how the form of "free choice" takes on the meaning of "promoting Russification". Naturally, it is conceivable that the government's guidance and, in some cases, coercion act behind free choice, but that is not the only problem. Even in the absence of administrative pressure, when it comes to the choice of educating children in the widely-used Russian language or in a narrow ethnic language, many parents choose to attend Russian-language schools. This is the biggest problem. If too few students attend ethno-language schools, they may be abolished, leaving only Russian-language schools in some regions. The above is about the selection of class terminology, but the same can be said for "language as a subject," which is distinguished from it. The fact that both Russian language education at ethnic language schools and ethnic language education at Russian language schools were elective instead of compulsory is, formally speaking, ``both are elective and the same,'' but practically speaking While the majority of children receive Russian language education at ethnic language schools, the number of those who do not choose ethnic language education at Russian language schools is increasing. Thus, for a long time after this, the trend of expanding Russian language education and reducing ethnic language education continued (43) .
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Dec 1, 2022 23:14
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tazjin posted:lmao there's a 50% discount on this t-shirt featuring the Moskva: Big boat, barely sunk
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Dec 1, 2022 23:24
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Also, from available evidence, it doesn’t seem food transfers out of Ukraine has explicitly an ethnic component either. It isn’t a mystery either, hell I personally have looked at archival documents that weren’t even touched since the 1980s. It wasn’t that they were classified or something, no one cared. The problem is the more that slowly comes out from research just pushes in the opposite direction, so now the push is for a “secret” archive that takes “advanced scientific methods (!?)” to access.
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Dec 1, 2022 23:26
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Weka posted:My understanding is that the repression of the Ukrainian language that is claimed was a reversal of the policy of spreading the Ukrainian language that had previously been in effect. Korenizatsiya, or "indigenization", was the policy in the national republics of the USSR to encourage local language and culture in a de-Russification process. Initially implemented to bring these national groups on board of the socialist project, in the early 30s it was ended and partially reversed because it was considered to be encouraging separatist nationalist tendencies. ok this is wild, I followed some links from here just for curiosity and ended up on this page about mass killings of I guess itinerant bards playing ethnic stringed instruments? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecuted_kobzars_and_bandurists There's quite a lot of names here and I'm not looking into them, I'm sure most of those people were killed by the government for one reason or another, who knows. The claim that immediately raised suspicion was quote:In 1932, on the order of Stalin, the Soviet authorities called on all Ukrainian Kobzars to attend a congress in Kharkiv. Those that arrived were taken outside the city and were all put to death. which is fairly ridiculous cartoon villainy if true, but the citations offered are 1) Robert Conquest, Harvest of Sorrow - and I don't have access to this text or I'd check the specific citation but there's plenty of questionable scholarship here, I'm guessing he cribbed this from some emigre association 2) a paper exploring the post-war Ukrainian diaspora in Australia (what the gently caress these people are everywhere), which just directly quotes Harvest of Sorrow on this topic 3) the memoirs of some Russian pianist that I'm also unable to verify - but wait, what the gently caress? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Volkov#Controversy_over_Testimony posted:Some have asserted the book's authenticity due to Shostakovich's son Maxim's alleged about-face on the accuracy of the book. After he defected to the West in 1981, he told the Sunday Times that it was a book "about my father, not by him".[2] However, in a BBC television interview with composer Michael Berkeley on 27 September 1986, Maxim admitted, "It's true. It's accurate.... The basis of the book is correct."[3] Fay has alleged that whilst Maxim admits that the general context of the times and what it would have been to live as a composer under Soviet rule are generally correct, that Shostakovich's individual portrait was "grossly misconstrued",[4] and hence, whilst praising the book for highlighting the potential hardships of living under totalitarianism, nevertheless has repeatedly maintained his claim that "it [Testimony] was a book about my father, not by him" — in short, that in his opinion the book cannot be treated as Shostakovich's memoirs, so much as a book about what Shostakovich may have been like. so this book has a huge amount of controversy surrounding it, was written by a different person entirely after the subject of the book died and the author emigrated to the United States from the USSR (!!!), and it seems like there's decent evidence that a lot of it is made up or poorly sourced. ok Is Soviet history all like this? just playing games of telephone with emigrant freaks and fascists to figure out how many virgins Stalin tied to the train tracks in 1933? doesn't matter, good enough for wikipedia. this claim about the honeypot congress of ukrainian bards lives on like 4 different articles regardless also does anyone with more patience or better access to primary sources want to look into this claim because it's so loving weird I need to know if there's any basis in truth here
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Dec 1, 2022 23:52
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Ardennes posted:Also, from available evidence, it doesn’t seem food transfers out of Ukraine has explicitly an ethnic component either. It isn’t a mystery either, hell I personally have looked at archival documents that weren’t even touched since the 1980s. It wasn’t that they were classified or something, no one cared. Yeah, the policy was explicitly prioritizing food aid to industrialized areas, with the result that Ukrainians disproportionately starved during the Great Famine.
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Dec 1, 2022 23:59
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the bitcoin of weed posted:Is Soviet history all like this? just playing games of telephone with emigrant freaks and fascists to figure out how many virgins Stalin tied to the train tracks in 1933? doesn't matter, good enough for wikipedia. this claim about the honeypot congress of ukrainian bards lives on like 4 different articles regardless yes lol. I’d assume Russian language academic history is better due to having slightly easier archive access than non-Russians but those works never get translated
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Dec 2, 2022 00:05
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tazjin posted:lmao there's a 50% discount on this t-shirt featuring the Moskva: need
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Dec 2, 2022 00:12
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This sort of thing happens in Central Europe with Austria-Hungary too. They went out of their way to promote and teach 5 official languages plus German, but because German was the language of the administration and words of command in the military, the urban intellectual nationalists spun up all sorts of romantic stuff about the Czech nation being suppressed. Meanwhile, every postman and official in the Czech lands had to learn Czech anyway, even if they were ethnic Croats or Hungarians. Galicia was an exception as the official language there was Polish, but the point is that Austria-Hungary made efforts to promote these languages, the peasants spoke whichever language they pleased, but romantic nationalism will mythologize whatever. e: And post independence each one of these new nations suppressed minority languages within their own borders I forgot to mention that.  
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Dec 2, 2022 00:14
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the bitcoin of weed posted:Is Soviet history all like this? just playing games of telephone with emigrant freaks and fascists to figure out how many virgins Stalin tied to the train tracks in 1933? doesn't matter, good enough for wikipedia. this claim about the honeypot congress of ukrainian bards lives on like 4 different articles regardless Pretty much. Look through the talk pages for anything soviet/communist related and you can see how the bias of an article is formed. You'll see articles that were once more balanced but the pro-soviet bit gets removed because it has only one source, and the pro-west bit is allowed to remain because they have multiple sources. Despite those being a robert conquest quote and then a few others quoting his quote. Or even stuff where the source doesn't match what's written on the wiki. When zlibrary existed it was useful to be able quickly download a book, go the the quoted page and check it, which more often than not didn't back up the claims. Suspect this is why the Americans got it closed down, hard to feed people anti-communist propaganda when they're literate.
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Dec 2, 2022 00:22
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This just came up because I went to the Romanian Embassy’s screening of a film this week. Metronom, which is about the terrible Romanian Secret Police - sort of a combination of The Lives of Others and a coming of age film. Introduction by the ambassador, reception after, whole thing. Tyranny this, Securitate that, “Authoritarianism”. Same old, same old. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7w3kHVfG8ic The film was nice enough but when it looked it up after, just as I had with the Stasi and KGB before, they weren’t doing anything the RCMP of the same period wasn’t, and probably less than the FBI and CIA all told, but it’s all been so mythologized that you have to go into specialist academic work to find accounts in English about daily life and state security interaction in the Eastern Bloc. Anything a regular person might read is about murderers and torturers who targeted innocents at random or for loving Freedom too much, but the academics paint a picture of police work and bureaucracy that was pretty hands off and lenient. I mean the internal dynamics in Romania under Ceaușescu are fascinating, as are all of the Warsaw Pact countries in that first post-war generation as they charted their own path, some moving more towards the Soviet style of government, some towards Stalinism, others towards cults of personality or party bureaucracy, and there was a huge variance in their internal policing. The common thread is that emigres and defectors have set the narrative about what these societies were like from 1945-91, when the records bear out that while it may be unusual to have a police file noting someone bought illegal rock and roll records, they weren’t shooting people for it. Compare their bodycounts to say, Argentina and other Free World contemporaries. But to cycle back around, most people don’t read Romanian and most people don’t read obscure English publications about the Eastern Bloc, so we’re just repeating the same stories from the 70’s despite now having access to the archives that disprove a good deal of them.
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Dec 2, 2022 00:36
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Corky Romanovsky posted:I'm too lazy to fix the auto translate, but this shouldn't be too hard to parse. This is from the "post-Stalin" section. Ukrainian was and is vibrant in the areas where Ukrainian originated, like West Ukraine. It's relative decline places like the Black Sea Coast, Kuban, Northern Kazakhstan, or Khabarovsk is as sinister as the decline of Ukrainian speakers in Canada or the USA. These were all settler colonies, Ukrainian is only as native to these places as Russian. The decline of minority languages as a matter of parental choice is a complicated subject to discuss, but there are examples of language revival within Russia. Yakut and Tuvan have a growing number of speakers and enjoy regular usage as languages of administration. Frosted Flake posted:e: And post independence each one of these new nations suppressed minority languages within their own borders I forgot to mention that. Language in Austria-Hungary is such a nightmare. You have 1 Germanic language, THREE families of Slavic languages with further subdivisions, a loving Finno-Ugric language in Hungarian, and then two marginally different and equally ancient Romance languages in Romanian and Italian. Then imagine being a Yiddish speaking Jew on top of it all.
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Language in Austria-Hungary is such a nightmare. You have 1 Germanic language, THREE families of Slavic languages with further subdivisions, a loving Finno-Ugric language in Hungarian, and then two marginally different and equally ancient Romance languages in Romanian and Italian. the legislature created by the 1867 Austro-Hungarian compromise was often a tourist attraction as spectators watched the representatives argue fruitlessly with each other in unintelligible languages
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Dec 2, 2022 00:50
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Then imagine being a Yiddish speaking Jew on top of it all. About that…
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Dec 2, 2022 00:58
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For anyone keeping up with the church news. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1598435637346111489 Edit: just noticed they used a white hand emoji. Wonder if that's the default for whichever application they're posting from. Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 01:03 on Dec 2, 2022 |
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Dec 2, 2022 00:59
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the bitcoin of weed posted:ok this is wild, I followed some links from here just for curiosity and ended up on this page about mass killings of I guess itinerant bards playing ethnic stringed instruments? nobody is going to make a name and career for themselves by defending the good name of the defunct soviet union. there's no market for it. there is a lot of interest in making the soviet union look bad in various ways, so you get a lot of leeway if that's what you're up to
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Dec 2, 2022 01:02
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studying the austro-hungarian empire was the best thing i ever did at school
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Dec 2, 2022 01:05
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the bitcoin of weed posted:ok this is wild, I followed some links from here just for curiosity and ended up on this page about mass killings of I guess itinerant bards playing ethnic stringed instruments? https://diasporiana.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/books/13564/file.pdf lol the conquest citation is the shostakovich book circular citations are the best
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Dec 2, 2022 01:19
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anyhow since all the citations are "this totally happened bro, trust me" i'm going to wager that being a blind begger musician during the holodomor did not have a particularly long lifespan as for why they all disappeared rather than being shot
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Dec 2, 2022 01:21
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It’s cool that the Freedom and Democracy Nation banned first media, then the opposition, now a religion.
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Dec 2, 2022 01:24
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https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A...%80%D1%96%D0%B2 lmao ukrainian wikipedia even says its a myth quote:As of 2019, there is no documented information about the "shot congress", this is confirmed by the former directors of the Branch State Archive of the SBU , Volodymyr Vyatrovych and Ihor Kulyk [14] . According to the senior researcher of the Taras Shevchenko National Museum , historian Oleh Magdych, there is no documentary evidence of this event. Magdych emphasizes "There are no documents [about the shooting]! The story about the "Kobzar congress" is based exclusively on oral testimony" [15] [16] . english academia is such garbage
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Dec 2, 2022 01:24
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stalin personally rounded up all of the bards in ukraine because he feared their arcane cantrips and proficiency with light armor
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Dec 2, 2022 01:27
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I mean, it’s pretty clear all of this mythology is going to be cemented now.
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Dec 2, 2022 01:27
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Jazerus posted:stalin personally rounded up all of the bards in ukraine because he feared their arcane cantrips and proficiency with light armor What class was Stalin? I'm thinking fighter/mage if we think of Lenin as pure mage and Zhukov as a str tank, for context
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Dec 2, 2022 01:30
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Frosted Flake posted:I mean, it’s pretty clear all of this mythology is going to be cemented now. Cementing mythology is when you dump a vampire in concrete
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Dec 2, 2022 01:31
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Stalin is a rogue / saboteur
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Raskolnikov38 posted:https://diasporiana.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/books/13564/file.pdf sick i love doing history. thanks for checking this out
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Dec 2, 2022 01:43
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Slavvy posted:What class was Stalin? I'm thinking fighter/mage if we think of Lenin as pure mage and Zhukov as a str tank, for context stalin was a manlet
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Dec 2, 2022 01:49
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one person in the world is the most responsible person for killing Hitler : and that is Hitler but the person second most responsible person is Stalin and I will always stan him for that
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Dec 2, 2022 01:51
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euphronius posted:one person in the world is the most responsible person for killing Hitler : and that is Hitler this is eva braun erasure
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euphronius posted:Stalin is a rogue / saboteur sounds more like gorbachev to me!
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the bitcoin of weed posted:ok this is wild, I followed some links from here just for curiosity and ended up on this page about mass killings of I guess itinerant bards playing ethnic stringed instruments? https://varjag2007su.livejournal.com/2523309.html quote:And now the naked truth about the "summit of massacred kobzars"  quote:Kiev, 15 April. (Correspondent "Pravda"). Today at the institute of folklore Academy of Sciences Ukrainian SSR opened the 1st republican congress of kobzars and lyrniks. 27 people participated, coming from Kiev, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava, and other regions of Ukraine.  quote:Ensemble of national singers I dunno, this is some random rear end blog post, but now you can dig some more into this poo poo I guess.
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Dec 2, 2022 02:13
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Lostconfused posted:For anyone keeping up with the church news. wow super hosed up
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Dec 2, 2022 02:16
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so not only did Zelenskyy do prison abolition, he's also promoting secularism? most progressive president of all time!
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Dec 2, 2022 02:20
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/roadtoserfdumb/status/1598191578170163200?t=z1jAMzVx97LlxL0p9FQBXg&s=19 Chalupa
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Lostconfused posted:https://varjag2007su.livejournal.com/2523309.html I still couldn't tell you when or where this even happened can they get the dates straight at least
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the bitcoin of weed posted:I still couldn't tell you when or where this even happened can they get the dates straight at least It said 1939. It is on the encyclopediaofukraine dot com under kobzars E: it even includes the (yet to be supported by evidence) mass execution of kobzars and lirnyks EE: the claim on the website I mentioned was that the names of 37 people that attended essentially became collaborators with the Soviets, and after the execution they were sent about as some kind of proof that there was no mass execution Corky Romanovsky has issued a correction as of 04:54 on Dec 2, 2022 |
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Marenghi posted:https://www.dw.com/en/germany-declares-stalin-era-holodomor-famine-in-ukraine-a-genocide/a-63944665 The millions of non-Ukrainians who starved all across the Soviet Union, mainly concentrated in food producing regions, weren't victims of genocide? Russians and Kazakhs and others are unworthy of being called victims of this heinous crime and receiving this coveted and prestigious label? Sounds like a bunch of genocide denying bullshit to me.
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From today's Financial Times:The FT posted:
The UK has enough ammo stocked to last for 1 week of actual warfare, provided they don't go too wild lol.
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