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Larryb posted:Speaking of, despite not being finished were Third Dimension and/or Voltron Force any good? Not really. Third Dimension was a weird early stab at 3D and didn't have the charm or character of Beast Wars and Voltron was just a sort of an odd Voltron: The Next Generation with a thin animation budget and a terrible Eurotrash opening rap.
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Sockser posted:I know it's easy to take shots at SNL for not being funny but Try this list: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2Vj3Kte4ihrmae_Bp23t5JsmsX_yTTrp It's from one of the creators of the (now canceled) show Los Espookys who was also a writer on SNL
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Larryb posted:Speaking of, despite not being finished were Third Dimension and/or Voltron Force any good? Third Dimension looks horrifying and Stealth Voltron looks like a 3rd-party knock-off toy but it's got decent action for the era, solid voice work and Tim Curry being the most Tim Curry. Also people die! A lot! Voltron Force is bland and bad. Which makes it worse is because you can see the attempts at care in parts but were clearly getting hamstrung by higher-ups.
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McTimmy posted:Voltron Force is bland and bad. Which makes it worse is because you can see the attempts at care in parts but were clearly getting hamstrung by higher-ups. I'm still a little mad that Allura's niece (from her... brother? Sister? It is unclear) is named 'Larmina' because it feels like the most bored attempt at a vaguely sci-fi/fantasy name ever.
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It honestly's starting to sound like no version of Voltron ever has had a good ending, or been good at all.
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I think Voltron's biggest cultural contribution is "and I'll form the leg!"
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Junpei posted:It honestly's starting to sound like no version of Voltron ever has had a good ending, or been good at all. Even the original GoLion had a somewhat mediocre ending as I recall. The show has its moments but it’s a D-List anime for a reason Larryb fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Dec 6, 2022 |
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Dawgstar posted:I'm still a little mad that Allura's niece (from her... brother? Sister? It is unclear) is named 'Larmina' because it feels like the most bored attempt at a vaguely sci-fi/fantasy name ever. Allura doesn't even have siblings in Voltron so it's really nonsensical. It was originally supposed to be her cousin from her Aunt Orla but Execs gonna exec.
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To add to the Netflix Voltron pile, my history with mecha besides that show are Gurren Lagann and like two episodes of G Gundam (i intend to go back and finish it sometime!), and I guess Super Sentai/mainly Power Rangers: The show is really neat in the first couple seasons, then coincidentally it started labelling like 7 episode batches as seasons and those batches all end with massive changes to the status quo. So a storyline that's been building for those first two or three seasons finally happens, and then we execute on it for what feels like 3 episodes of getting the hang of it, 2 of enjoying that status quo, and then undoing it. If you liked the focal character for that storyline then RIP he's basically off the show for a batch or two. The release schedule becomes more aggressive in the backhalf, too, so poo poo feels rushed. And while nothing feels as backpedally as the plot I was alluding to, there's still a lot of storylines that just get resolved and reverted so you feel less and less rewarded for being invested. Many moments of "but this is surely a fakeout, right?" and it's not. And then yeah, the ending was pretty bad. My girlfriend and I were basically hatewatching that last season.
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Larryb posted:Wow, I’ll probably keep watching just to see how much of trainwreck it winds up being
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Sivart13 posted:or you could instead finish Steven Universe?? I’ve got multiple shows I’ve been slowly going through and that’s one of them
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Sivart13 posted:or you could instead finish Steven Universe?? I thought you were trying to suggest non-trainwreck endings!  I like the SU finale but Future was bad, that's my hot take
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DoctorWhat posted:This is a false dichotomy. When you are writing a story with a giant robot, even if that giant robot is merchandise, the giant robot should say something about the world and the people that interact with it. When Kamen Rider gets a new toy, that new toy is more interesting when it's connected with Kamen Rider's emotional growth trauma, or accomplishments, or foreshadows or reflects something about the setting and themes. In Gundam Iron-Blooded Orphans, the Barbatos is rebuilt over time in ways that increasingly reflect Mikazuki's body and mind and those new designs shape the action sequences in parallel to Mikazuki's development. I'm reminded of critics going 'You can't just HAVE giant monsters fighting each other!!' over King of the Monsters or some poo poo and like, gently caress you sure you can, and you can and should have themes and character development and poo poo too. That's literally the whole thing with these shows. Like, look at Dragon Ball; the fans don't only see Goku getting a new powerup and hairdo, but the context in which that happens; Hulking out over Krillin's death and beating seven shades of poo poo out of Freiza, and then later Goku and Gohan spending a week constantly in their super mode to get used to it and getting kicked out of the house because they keep breaking everything over breakfast. That poo poo's context, it's story and character development, it says things about the characters mentally and physically, and provides catharsis and/or laffs. drrockso20 posted:Yeah you can really tell Netflix Voltron was the production staff just using the IP to bring their own ideas for a sci-fi series to life(which ends up just mostly being a dull PG Mass Effect knockoff) rather than having any actual respect or interest in the source material This happens every goddamn time you get that kind of adaptation, like every video game movie where the writers clearly just want to slap a marketable name on their own ideas which turn out to be mostly hack garbage. Or the Witcher series where the new writers openly hate the source material and goddamn Henry Cavill walked over it. vv: The TV show is what I'm talking about, yeah. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Dec 6, 2022 |
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Witcher was novels first, video games second, tv show third.
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MorningMoon posted:To add to the Netflix Voltron pile, my history with mecha besides that show are Gurren Lagann and like two episodes of G Gundam (i intend to go back and finish it sometime!), and I guess Super Sentai/mainly Power Rangers: Like I said, this is basically the Lotor screwjob in a nutshell. "Oh. O-oooh? Wait, are they really doing this? But that just-- Oh gently caress. They're doing it. lol. lmao, even. Holy poo poo. gently caress this show."
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TwoPair posted:I like the SU finale but Future was bad, that's my hot take
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I haven't finished Future, but I think I basically loved everything about it except what involved Steven himself. And I get what they're going for and the idea that it sucks to be a hero after the war is over and everyone's moving on leaving you with no idea what to do with yourself, but it's not always fun to watch.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I haven't finished Future, but I think I basically loved everything about it except what involved Steven himself. And I get what they're going for and the idea that it sucks to be a hero after the war is over and everyone's moving on leaving you with no idea what to do with yourself, but it's not always fun to watch. I agree with this. I wasn't enjoying watching it at the start, but I'm glad I stuck with it -- for the ending and for Bismuth Casual.
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nine-gear crow posted:Like I said, this is basically the Lotor screwjob in a nutshell. "Oh. O-oooh? Wait, are they really doing this? But that just-- Oh gently caress. They're doing it. lol. lmao, even. Holy poo poo. gently caress this show." The Lotor thing is interesting because it comes off as a long con initially until you realize it's for serious... and then it's not. It doesn't come off as any kind of set up though, just a hard 180 out of nowhere. I was reading up on the ending because I'd forgotten about it and hate myself and really am baffled at the generic 'good' endings everybody got (except the POC lady). Hunk likes to eat so he has a cooking empire, despite his actual love being aeronautic engineering. Keith turns the Blade into a humanitarian group which is fine but... still goofy for that group. And it was refreshed in my memory Lance is Cuban so he's... a farmer. Cubanos do that, right? Despite him wanting to be a pilot. Oh! And the found family breaks up and meets like once a year. So. This show. Anyway, Allurance forever.
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It would appear the purge is not yet complete, as Clarence has now been memory holed off of HBO Max
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The History of the Looney Tunes series continues on through the 60s after the closure of Warner Brothers' in-house animation studio and into WB being purchased by a new company who would gently caress around with them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB9jHnDvnc0
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Dawgstar posted:The Lotor thing is interesting because it comes off as a long con initially until you realize it's for serious... and then it's not. It doesn't come off as any kind of set up though, just a hard 180 out of nowhere. It was so out of nowhere, incongruous to everything that came before it and ruinous to his character that I honestly thought it was the set up for a reveal that Lotor was just the latest in a line of Lotor clones stretching back 10,000 years so that Zarkon and Haggar could keep having a son around, and that the version of Lotor that the show follows went "off-model" and became an egalitarian reformer and that horrifying Soylent Green magic elf battery Joy Can planet was the work of a prior Lotor and Current Lotor would have been all "...what the fuuuuuck?". But nah, Lotor's just irreconcilably evil because we need to get rid of him now and quickly.
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Off the subject I’ve also been going through the How To Train Your Dragon TV/Netflix series. It’s not required viewing or anything but it’s a fun little show that bridges the gap between the first and second movies and introduces a few other characters from the novels the films cut out
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Larryb posted:Off the subject I’ve also been going through the How To Train Your Dragon TV/Netflix series. It’s not required viewing or anything but it’s a fun little show that bridges the gap between the first and second movies and introduces a few other characters from the novels the films cut out I remember the old Rider/Defenders of Berk show that preceded the Netflix stuff being pretty good too, if a little on the cheap side compared to the movies. Lot of episodic, tv-scale stuff to it, but it carried the spirit of the movies rather well, and definitely helped by Jay Baruchel, America Ferrera, and Christopher Mintz-Plasse all reprising their roles from the movies we don't talk about T.J. Miller also being there, ok
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i Really liked su futures end esp wrt steven, it was like cathartic in a kind of painful way but also sort of reassuring?? and it still ends on a relatively positive note so  and yeah re new voltron really feels like in hindsight it wants to go Unlike Other Mechas Ours Focuses On etc etc etc but the thing is that like half the cast in new voltron stops mattering after their single Thing and the other half get hilariously slapdash ends to their "arcs", like how keith being a edgy loner is magically fixed in a 30 second long wordless montage on a space whale with his bad mom and also its time dilation so its like 3 years???? plus like others have said, the Lotor Stuff is bizarre. afaik the showrunners wanted to bait people into thinking hes zuko when hes actually azula but, a easy way to have him be evil offscreen is to just have some voltron person tail him when hes acting shady and uh oh bad science!! and have like, foreshadowing instead of introducing some rando whos whole purpose is to go "and this is how he was secretly evil off screen just the whole time"
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Also like maybe don't definitively deflate all that "is he a good guy, or just acting like one?" tension halfway through his character arc so that when it comes time to do the reveal, your audience gets mad about it because they thought the matter was settled and he was in fact a cool dude.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The History of the Looney Tunes series continues on through the 60s after the closure of Warner Brothers' in-house animation studio and into WB being purchased by a new company who would gently caress around with them. Yeah watched that a couple days ago, reminds me I need to get back to my project of watching every Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies short*, that Internet Archive playlist unfortunately got taken down a while ago but I decided to finally just torrent a complete collection that was being hosted on MySpleen since I had a 4.5 TB drive sitting around so plenty of space to store that 411 GB monster of a set *though admittedly at this point I'll probably be skimming my way through most of the remaining Bosko shorts
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Sockser posted:It would appear the purge is not yet complete, as Clarence has now been memory holed off of HBO Max Well duh, HBO's about to be memory-holed off of
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TwoPair posted:Well duh, HBO's about to be memory-holed off of Gotts make room for the 90 Day Fiancée Extended Universe.
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moosferatu posted:I agree with this. I wasn't enjoying watching it at the start, but I'm glad I stuck with it -- for the ending and for Bismuth Casual. I haven't at all been able to keep up with the thread (and I'm still leery about Steven Universe discourse) but were some bits I really liked. The entire aftermath of the Zoo is really interesting on a few levels. Giving the Zoomans control of the place is actually a great solution for the very big problem of what you do with a bunch of humans who have literally no survival or coping skills after millennia in captivity, the ability to interact with the rest of the universe on their own terms and always being able to retreat to a safe and familiar space. It's also almost like a counterpart to Little Homeworld- rather than a home for Gems who are influenced by human culture, it's a home for humans influenced by Gem culture. Even if they're in the same place, the context and roles have completely changed. Also funny that Holly Blue Agate is finding herself some use teaching the Zoomans to be assertive- she may have many unpleasant personality traits and behaviours, but many of those are also useful social skills that you sometimes need. I suppose when you have a story that's ultimately about social change, it makes sense for a sequel/epilogue to explore how the people affected by that change are reacting and adapting to it. ed: though on a check I'm literally one of the last ones actively discussing in the SU thread, so, but eh. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Dec 7, 2022 |
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nine-gear crow posted:I remember the old Rider/Defenders of Berk show that preceded the Netflix stuff being pretty good too, if a little on the cheap side compared to the movies. Lot of episodic, tv-scale stuff to it, but it carried the spirit of the movies rather well, and definitely helped by Jay Baruchel, America Ferrera, and Christopher Mintz-Plasse all reprising their roles from the movies we don't talk about T.J. Miller also being there, ok That’s why I said TV/Netflix series (I believe it aired for two seasons on Cartoon Network originally before getting moved over to Netflix, renamed, and running for six more), it starts developing more of a story later on but yeah (also Mark Hamill has a reoccurring role in the series). Though out of curiosity why was Jonah Hill about the only one not present despite returning to voice Snotlout in both film sequels? Apparently the movies/show deviate a fair bit from the books as well (for example, in the story Hiccup didn’t invent the concept of dragon taming and Astrid doesn’t exist) On that note, how’s the sequel series apparently set in modern day (Nine Realms or something like that)? Larryb fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Dec 7, 2022 |
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TwoPair posted:Well duh, HBO's about to be memory-holed off of Gotta make the least searchable name for their streaming platform possible.
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Larryb posted:On that note, how’s the sequel series apparently set in modern day (Nine Realms or something like that)? Not a drat clue, it's not on anywhere I can watch it legally so I've never bothered to check it out. The internet was mad about at least its first season, from what I recall, but the internet is always mad about childrens cartoons now, so I can't tell if it's legitimately not good, just made some choices that cheesed off long time HTTYD fans, or it's just too woke for sensitive people's feelings somehow. I dunno.
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nine-gear crow posted:Not a drat clue, it's not on anywhere I can watch it legally so I've never bothered to check it out. The internet was mad about at least its first season, from what I recall, but the internet is always mad about childrens cartoons now, so I can't tell if it's legitimately not good, just made some choices that cheesed off long time HTTYD fans, or it's just too woke for sensitive people's feelings somehow. I’m pretty sure it’s on Netflix at least (the fourth season just came out fairly recently) How are the original HTTYD novels for that matter (from what I’ve heard the movies/shows take a lot of liberties with them)? Larryb fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Dec 7, 2022 |
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nine-gear crow posted:Not a drat clue, it's not on anywhere I can watch it legally so I've never bothered to check it out. The internet was mad about at least its first season, from what I recall, but the internet is always mad about childrens cartoons now, so I can't tell if it's legitimately not good, just made some choices that cheesed off long time HTTYD fans, or it's just too woke for sensitive people's feelings somehow. Search your feelings. The main kids are all different ethnicities, one kid's a paraplegic and another has two moms.
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Dawgstar posted:Search your feelings. The main kids are all different ethnicities, one kid's a paraplegic and another has two moms. "Representation = bad writing... somehow". Got it.
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Does the cartoon do anything to differentiate the twins from one another over time? I always find that interesting, like in Power Rangers RPM with Gem and Gemma, who were initially pretty inseparable even finishing each others sentences and talking back and forth a lot, but then over time Gemma started hanging out with the Blue ranger and growing apart from Gem and I thought that was a neat development.
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BioEnchanted posted:Does the cartoon do anything to differentiate the twins from one another over time? I always find that interesting, like in Power Rangers RPM with Gem and Gemma, who were initially pretty inseparable even finishing each others sentences and talking back and forth a lot, but then over time Gemma started hanging out with the Blue ranger and growing apart from Gem and I thought that was a neat development. Occasionally there’s episodes where one is focused on over the other but otherwise they’re basically the same bumbling idiots they were in the movie
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nine-gear crow posted:"Representation = bad writing... somehow". Got it. Oh my god do I have a video series for you. https://youtu.be/-lXdZn6c0Rc https://youtu.be/uvT2p3QIKPk https://youtu.be/cn1NbXGv3v0 I haven’t had a chance to finish it yet but it’s pretty wild.
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