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mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

lol https://twitter.com/hondawang/status/1598557292164796416

https://twitter.com/hondawang/status/1598557295528448000

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Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


guess more should have called aoc :shrug: https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1597794001293381632

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


materialism is when i tell you all the sensible reasons we should only pressure groups which my friends and i don't intend to seek jobs from

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

imagine being bested by a trot
https://twitter.com/cmkshama/status/1598696810545090561

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Since none of the usual defenders are here (lol):

https://twitter.com/cosmic_yawn/status/1599594924638613506

https://twitter.com/cosmic_yawn/status/1599597107983196161

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Building socialist worker power!!

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

https://twitter.com/cosmic_yawn/status/1599632879411073024

What a perfect encapsulation of DSA.

"Lending our power to organizations that directly attack workers is how we build power."

PhilippAchtel has issued a correction as of 13:07 on Dec 5, 2022

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

DSA should seriously just drop national-level electoralism it seems like a massive sink of energy and resources that gives nothing in return

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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the bitcoin of weed posted:

DSA should seriously just drop national-level electoralism it seems like a massive sink of energy and resources that gives nothing in return

still too many people trying to use it for clout/career advancement, dumb as it may seem

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

croup coughfield posted:

still too many people trying to use it for clout/career advancement, dumb as it may seem

much like Communism, this works in the real world

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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mawarannahr posted:

much like Communism, this works in the real world



lol

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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serious question for people in this org: how would the rank and file of DSA go about fixing these issues? the org obviously needs much greater internal discipline, how would you wrangle these dipshits into a useful union rather than another letterhead with a bunch of messy bullshit under it

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

croup coughfield posted:

serious question for people in this org: how would the rank and file of DSA go about fixing these issues? the org obviously needs much greater internal discipline, how would you wrangle these dipshits into a useful union rather than another letterhead with a bunch of messy bullshit under it

vanguardism

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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i dont trust dsa members not to run this into the ground so hard they become the austin red guards

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

croup coughfield posted:

serious question for people in this org: how would the rank and file of DSA go about fixing these issues? the org obviously needs much greater internal discipline, how would you wrangle these dipshits into a useful union rather than another letterhead with a bunch of messy bullshit under it

the bitcoin of weed posted:

just drop national-level electoralism

one weird trick

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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assume that cant happen because it keeps the donations coming in

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

well then you can't change anything because it might upset the ~fiscal structure ~. who cares about donations if they're just getting used to prop up do-nothing celebrity house reps and employ email workers at the national org

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

croup coughfield posted:

i dont trust dsa members not to run this into the ground so hard they become the austin red guards

hard to say if they would need more cops or fewer to become austin red guards

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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the bitcoin of weed posted:

well then you can't change anything because it might upset the ~fiscal structure ~. who cares about donations if they're just getting used to prop up do-nothing celebrity house reps and employ email workers at the national org

the people getting the money care, and i bet the folks with the email jobs care even more. part of enacting political change is dealing with the material conditions where you are and their consequent inertia. if you throw up your hands the moment there's resistance to the change you're proposing, you might as well do nothing to begin with and stop complaining. thats part of what i mean when i suggest dsa needs much more internal discipline

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

croup coughfield posted:

serious question for people in this org: how would the rank and file of DSA go about fixing these issues? the org obviously needs much greater internal discipline, how would you wrangle these dipshits into a useful union rather than another letterhead with a bunch of messy bullshit under it

The DSA is a Harrington org explicitly built to push the dems left and not enact any meaningful change beyond that. How would I change it so that it enacts meaningful change beyond pushing the dems left? Tender my resignation.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

trying to imagine what exactly would constitute expulsion from the dsa after funding wars, funding concentration camps, funding zionist apartheid, funding cops, funding nazis, and now declaring strikes illegal

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

we’re going to turn this Saturday morning basketball club into a soccer club by showing up with cleats and kicking the ball into the hoop! also there were only 4 a team, so you’re just 8 people playing soccer in the mat unsuitable and impractical field there is.

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica

croup coughfield posted:

assume that cant happen because it keeps the donations coming in

no, it's the right answer

Staff in NYC might not like it, but whatever, they don't run my loving local

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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Greatbacon posted:

no, it's the right answer

Staff in NYC might not like it, but whatever, they don't run my loving local

so what do you think would be an effective plan to get the new york liberals off the teat

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

it was disappointing to see nyc-dsa pass a resolution at the last convention that made it harder for working groups and branches to chastise electeds without formal approval of the chapter leadership

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
you're not reforming the DSA. just use it as a network to meet people that also want to do things the DSA doesn't want to do

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

comedyblissoption posted:

trying to imagine what exactly would constitute expulsion from the dsa after funding wars, funding concentration camps, funding zionist apartheid, funding cops, funding nazis, and now declaring strikes illegal

loud clapping

HiHo ChiRho
Oct 23, 2010


Cue the sounds of thousands of FBI informants, tapping so wildly on keyboards to report this post that their lanyards slap against their chests

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...



Making fun of the failchildren of arms manufacturers

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Is Medicare for All still a DSA campaign

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Atrocious Joe posted:

Is Medicare for All still a DSA campaign

They invented it

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

Atrocious Joe posted:

Is Medicare for All still a DSA campaign

yes at the national level but they don’t seem very active at the moment; last i heard they were running a pledge campaign during the summer but i never saw an update on how that went

ed: fixed typo

Crusader has issued a correction as of 20:15 on Dec 6, 2022

Troy Queef
Jan 12, 2013




mawarannahr posted:

much like Communism, this works in the real world



“immigrant designer” being used to describe someone from Tronna is still the best encapsulation of AOC

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

there are a lot of tech folx in DSA. let’s get Medicare for AI off the ground!

DragQueenofAngmar
Dec 29, 2009

You shall not pass!

comedyblissoption posted:

trying to imagine what exactly would constitute expulsion from the dsa after funding wars, funding concentration camps, funding zionist apartheid, funding cops, funding nazis, and now declaring strikes illegal

espousing belief in democratic centralism

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
https://twitter.com/dsanorthstar/status/1602758852851531776?s=61&t=ERGf7468lNHEkCro1DOK1g

https://twitter.com/dsanorthstar/status/1602858874738204672?s=61&t=ERGf7468lNHEkCro1DOK1g

https://twitter.com/dsanorthstar/status/1603059140577878016?s=61&t=ERGf7468lNHEkCro1DOK1g

lol what a goddamn worthless org

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Ace of Baes posted:

DSA Goons by State

WA - HorseRenoir
WA - GodFish
WA - Doorknob Slobber

Didn’t know DSA was so based

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014


who even are these losers is this anything more than a website and a twitter feed

why do the democratic socialists of america need a democracy and socialism caucus. I've never heard of DSA North Star

e: lmao


quote:

At the same time, DSA suffers from self-imposed constraints. In particular, unity against authoritarianism requires working with those who hold some views that we do not accept. Unity on the Left in the first instance means rejection of sectarianism, especially identification of centrist forces as a political enemy equivalent to Trump’s movement. 
 
A failure to recognize the authoritarian threat was reflected in our unwillingness to acknowledge the need to vote for Biden-Harris in 2020. It has resurfaced in hostility towards Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez and Jamaal Bowman with regard to Israel and Palestine, or worse, in calls to expel Bowman from DSA. To limit DSA support to avowed democratic socialist candidates forces impossible choices on DSA members working in community coalitions on behalf of progressive candidates for elective office. It is particularly inimical to the development of the broad coalition that we need.
 

the bitcoin of weed has issued a correction as of 18:28 on Dec 14, 2022

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Isn't north star Honda Wang's caucus?

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CaptainJuan
Oct 15, 2008

Thick. Juicy. Tender.

Imagine cutting into a Barry White Song.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Isn't north star Honda Wang's caucus?

Honda is in b&r I think. North Star is mostly boomers

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