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All those people are just high on extreme ideology. Not me though, I know I'm right
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Dec 7, 2022 00:10
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I'm open to being wrong. I was the one who was originally written off as a dumb idealogue. Or am I not allowed to push back 
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Dec 7, 2022 00:13
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Zizek with wet metallic spray paint in his beard: *sniff* "we are all already high on ideology" *sniff*
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Dec 7, 2022 00:16
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Zizek with wet metallic spray paint in his beard: *sniff* "we are all already high on ideology" *sniff* zizek give us the alloys
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Dec 7, 2022 00:18
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what's up with all the anal probing?
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Dec 7, 2022 00:25
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Barry Foster posted:Nah, it doesn't, at least not in any quantities remotely able to provide an actual hallucinogenic experience, and even then not the kind of consistent and ultra-clear experiences of an NDE, which is very different to psychedelics (so say people who've had both) Could use references to this because in searching the literature I come up with a bunch of hits from 2018-2019 on both DMT and ketamine mimicking NDEs, and a paper dated 2022 expanding upon the ketamine paper in particular, so it looks like research in this area is continuing at least. But I've not done a deep dive into this area like many of you because there is only so much time in the day. I do have a copy of Michael Pollan's recent book so perhaps I'll start there. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/251220135_Endogenous_Ketamine-Like_Compounds_and_the_NDE_If_So_So_What Look, I have no dog in the fight of whether NDEs are "real" or not--ITT I've been pretty clearly on the side of "the meaning one takes from an experience is real" full stop. The consistency of experiences is compelling, but biology is a consistent factor so vOv And I can see how it would be beneficial to the individual undergoing death to be calmed and reassured, although THERE IS NO HERITABILITY IN THIS TRAIT, BY DEFINITION. At least its something to talk about while we wait for OUR GODDAMNED REPORT
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Dec 7, 2022 00:25
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Egg Moron posted:what's up with all the anal probing? My G spot is up my rear end
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Dec 7, 2022 00:27
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probe anuses not posters
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Dec 7, 2022 00:28
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Has today's high valee been posted, that's a dude who gets some good ideology
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Dec 7, 2022 00:28
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SniperWoreConverse posted:Has today's high valee been posted, that's a dude who gets some good ideology Highdeology*
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Dec 7, 2022 00:43
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Bilirubin posted:At least its something to talk about while we wait for OUR GODDAMNED REPORT give me that loving aitee report
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Dec 7, 2022 00:47
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it’s December lol no report is ever coming out
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Dec 7, 2022 00:55
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SANTA I HAVE BEEN GOOD
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Dec 7, 2022 00:56
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Ratios and Tendency posted:I'm open to being wrong.
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Dec 7, 2022 03:04
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I can't remember where I saw it now but somebody claimed they were told the report was turned in but people in Congress told them to pound sand and redo it because it was too vague and inconclusive and they weren't accepting that poo poo. Basically a furtherance of the tug of war between the disclosure and cover up groups.
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Dec 7, 2022 03:22
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The evolutionary advantage of NDE/Good Feels Dying is religion ("boo!"). You can get a lot of collective poo poo done in pre-history (and beyond) by saying "cuz God(s) said so". NDEs create prophets & saints. Good Feels Dying helps these monkeys with absurd craniums process witnessing death. Their big brains get up to nothing good after they've seen folks pass through the veil while screaming in terror, believe you me.
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Dec 7, 2022 03:45
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Egg Moron posted:what's up with all the anal probing? mass displacement of traumatogenic agents
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Dec 7, 2022 04:43
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06j8SeT7FDM
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Dec 7, 2022 05:05
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Ratios and Tendency posted:I have personal experience with meditation, hypnosis and lucid dreaming, it's all good. I don't see how they imply anything beyond a physical brain though. I didn't say they did. You were dismissing spirituality wholesale of which meditation is firmly a part. We have evidence of objective effects upon reality by way of meditation, namely in its ability to promote grey matter growth and brain functional connectivity. Beyond that it does also, and this is studied, allow for seemingly superhuman feats like withstanding/surviving extreme conditions, extreme pain, and other demonstrations of willpower translating directly to measurable effects in reality (outside subjectivity). Victor Vermis posted:The evolutionary advantage of NDE/Good Feels Dying is religion ("boo!"). You can get a lot of collective poo poo done in pre-history (and beyond) by saying "cuz God(s) said so". Presumably the transformative nature of the NDE, routinely remaking the experiencer into a kinder, more compassionate, more empathetic, more joyful, and in every way more realized person is a powerful epistemic motivator irrespective of whether it Feels Good (important to mention that unpleasant, neutral, or hellish NDEs are as transformative and towards the same transformative ends as the more common heavenly type). Also you are here being selective in what feature of the NDE to highlight. What is the advantage of this experience being hyperreal? You may say that it's a more powerful epistemic motivator because it's hyperreal but that doesn't it explain how it can be hyperreal nor does it explain why it would be, since it would reasonably be just as motivational if it was merely as real as our waking life. Against your point, this feature tends to be demotivational in terms of experience integration and personal realization/growth since presumably everyone prefers to live in the color TV set than the black and white one. Actually considering a huge percentage of people who have an NDE say they would've preferred to stay there than return, it's at least a little surprising that there aren't more post-NDE suicides. A one-two punch of "afterlife is definitely real" and "it's definitely real and way, way better than your current shithole" seems pretty suicide inducing. Fortunately most, almost all, experiencers feel compelled to fulfill a mission and want to see out the rest of their life. Helpfully, and to your point, the NDE typically imprints the idea that life is, like, hilariously short relative to the greater life/reality so that's also a fair motivator to just see it out. Contradictory to the now less-real experience of the waking life NDErs also typically have a reinvigorated love and appreciation for life, especially natural beauty. In any case I'm not entirely convinced by the premise that prosociality requires religion (or even that religion promotes prosociality to a greater degree than it inhibits it!), but going along with your premise there you go. If the NDE was a powerful social motivator and has occurred in 10-12% of the human population since the beginning of history then I would surely expect much more ecological conservatism, pantheism, pacifism, and thanatophilia than we find in cultures around the world, both presently and historically. Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 05:35 on Dec 7, 2022 |
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Dec 7, 2022 05:24
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just say it's arriving in aitee days at this point. I'll believe it when I see it.
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Dec 7, 2022 05:33
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i'm now certain flatliners was a limited hangout not really but i do wonder now if some/any people have tried to induce an NDE to get some answers
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Dec 7, 2022 05:41
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Sleekly posted:not really but i do wonder now if some/any people have tried to induce an NDE to get some answers Buddy, yes. Absolutely
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Dec 7, 2022 05:48
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The house of cards is falling, baby
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Dec 7, 2022 05:48
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Buddy, yes. Absolutely any notable journals or diaries from these folks?
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Dec 7, 2022 06:17
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Sleekly posted:any notable journals or diaries from these folks? There are at least two entries, although I think there's a handful, on NDERF about religious, indigenous practices centered around NDEs that I've read. The shaman induces the NDE state but they are actually near death, suffering respiratory distress usually. They are called back by the shaman's voice but if I remember correctly one woman required strong blows to the back to bring her back. I'm sorry but doing some keyword searches on NDERF came up empty, I read these a long time ago and didn't index them by memorizing keywords for later. Besides these accounts I've also heard it said by experiencers in interviews and by researchers in interviews/lectures. In any case it's been mentioned more than once and in more than one place so I will say with absolute certainty that there are non-zero amounts of people intentionally inducing near-death states to provoke NDEs. Whether or not they are doing something which is a trick or a real induction of a real state, it is being done. If I stumble on anything or manage to track an account down I'll post it up Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 06:47 on Dec 7, 2022 |
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Dec 7, 2022 06:44
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Perry Mason Jar posted:There are at least two entries, although I think there's a handful, on NDERF about religious, indigenous practices centered around NDEs that I've read. The shaman induces the NDE state but they are actually near death, suffering respiratory distress usually. They are called back by the shaman's voice but if I remember correctly one woman required strong blows to the back to bring her back. I'm sorry but doing some keyword searches on NDERF came up empty, I read these a long time ago and didn't index them by memorizing keywords for later. all good, i will look around too, thanks
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Dec 7, 2022 07:12
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There are NDEs because there is actually process for what happens during and after death. It's plausibly understandable and observable if you knew what to test for, and what you were looking at. just like all natural laws are fundamentally knowable with the right context and perspective. I'm gonna die stubborn about this, we cannot overcome certain kinds of bias without outside help, and so the gap between what we know and what we can know is basically infinite, and contains poo poo that would seem superstitious to busted little NDT brains that are "open to being wrong", who live and die never feeling like they were ever so; certain they know what's best for them and everyone else and never really questioning the fundamental assumptions that prop up their ephemeral, weak beta brains
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Dec 7, 2022 07:29
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Perry Mason Jar posted:There are at least two entries, although I think there's a handful, on NDERF about religious, indigenous practices centered around NDEs that I've read. The shaman induces the NDE state but they are actually near death, suffering respiratory distress usually. They are called back by the shaman's voice but if I remember correctly one woman required strong blows to the back to bring her back. I'm sorry but doing some keyword searches on NDERF came up empty, I read these a long time ago and didn't index them by memorizing keywords for later. I would like to take this opportunity to once again recommend The OA on netflix to anybody who enjoys this thread or likes reading about NDEs. One of the most underrated shows of all time and it's a crime of the highest order it didn't get a third season.
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Dec 7, 2022 07:47
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i liked that show but thought S2 was not needed at all other than to flesh out some ideas about how such a multiverse model can make itself felt. kinda like the matrix did the job completely well, no need for 2 and 3 and more but just my two cents on storytelling
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Dec 7, 2022 08:06
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I'm sorry I thought this was the UFO thread, not the dumb-gently caress drugs and dying are god thread. I'll just leave and find the UFO thread which while based on little evidence, at least posits a cogent theory that makes a lick of sense. Obviously I wouldn't want to trawl through pages of nonsense with people seemingly arguing that the existence of NDE's is evidence of...( insert whatever you think you are arguing for here I haven't a clue. Space Yahweh?)
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Dec 7, 2022 08:10
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Pennant posted:I'm sorry I thought this was the UFO thread, not the dumb-gently caress drugs and dying are god thread. I'll just leave and find the UFO thread which while based on little evidence, at least posits a cogent theory that makes a lick of sense. lol
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Dec 7, 2022 08:13
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Pennant posted:which while based on little evidence, at least posits a cogent theory that makes a lick of sense. I make a lot of posts like that but they are kinda boring tbh
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Dec 7, 2022 08:14
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Pennant posted:I'm sorry I thought this was the UFO thread, not the dumb-gently caress drugs and dying are god thread. I'll just leave and find the UFO thread which while based on little evidence, at least posits a cogent theory that makes a lick of sense. i am going to bodyslam you into the light of God Almighty MotherFucker
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Dec 7, 2022 08:14
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Pennant posted:I'm sorry I thought this was the UFO thread, not the dumb-gently caress drugs and dying are god thread. I'll just leave and find the UFO thread which while based on little evidence, at least posits a cogent theory that makes a lick of sense. Didn't read
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Dec 7, 2022 08:14
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I like the paranormal stuff adjacent to UFOs. It's good for times in between aitee drops.
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Dec 7, 2022 08:15
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Pennant posted:I'm sorry I thought this was the UFO thread, not the dumb-gently caress drugs and dying are god thread. I'll just leave and find the UFO thread which while based on little evidence, at least posits a cogent theory that makes a lick of sense. Lol who the gently caress are you?
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Dec 7, 2022 08:16
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Like I'm not (just) being rude it just seems really weird to storm out of a thread you've barely participated in in a big huff
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Dec 7, 2022 08:17
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drive by tantrums are funny
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Dec 7, 2022 08:17
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The existence of NDT's is evidenced of something but I'm not sure what just yet
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Dec 7, 2022 08:18
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I swear to God there's a certain kind of person who, it's just entirely possible to hand them every tool possible to interrogate every system that informs how they process the world, and they still somehow come out the other side sounding like a dad that's more unpleasant and way more on-spectrum than NDT and even still more sanctimonious than a medieval His Holiness The Pope but just about vapid epic science poo poo
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Dec 7, 2022 08:24
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