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Clean Your Teeth posted:my miners seem to have started ignoring some of my designations for some unknown reason, and are just chilling with 'no job'. Some of the plans are stairs down into damp rock, but others are just carving into normal stone for my bedrooms that I can't see why they're refusing - anything obvious I'm missing? They may have misplaced their pickaxes. Make a stockpile for some and someone will pick them up and put them away.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:they aren't identical either. they can also be directly linked to a dwarf's preferences and needs. It is worth saying that despite the vast unknowable depths, this version is very much less obtuse about a lot of things. I've been playing for over a decade and I just found out cavern soil is the best soil because the farm plot straight up tells you that.
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canepazzo posted:Hot tip: change the lines in \Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Dwarf Fortress\data\init for Migrant_arrival and migrants_arrival to this: Thanks this is very useful, and for anyone wondering which file to look in it's announcements.txt
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someone awful. posted:it's not necessarily good for gameplay but again, dwarf fortress isn't created first as a game. it has different goals than rimworld, which definitely cares a lot more about playability than dwarf fortress probably ever will I'll stop posting here because I'm not trying to poo poo on this game and its legacy, but stuff like this is exactly what makes Rimworld a better "Story Generator" than DF for me. There are mechanics in place to support the story. My colonists have to make a difficult decision about where they want to use their limited supply of plasteel because it's not just interchangeable with every other type of metal, etc. I think the main difference is that DF is focused on generating the story and history of the world at large where Rimworld is focused on generating the story of your individual colony. Each one has mechanics that support the emergent narrative of that specific aspect of it but are largely lacking the mechanics to support the other. I can see the value of both but Rimworld's version of storytelling is much more engrossing for me personally. e: Also I'm not trying to say that Rimworld is a better game, I just know a lot of long-time Rimworld players are looking at DF and salivating right now and I just wanted to post some context on my personal thoughts for any of them reading this thread 
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Clean Your Teeth posted:my miners seem to have started ignoring some of my designations for some unknown reason, and are just chilling with 'no job'. Some of the plans are stairs down into damp rock, but others are just carving into normal stone for my bedrooms that I can't see why they're refusing - anything obvious I'm missing? Do you have them assigned to a burrow? If so check the burrow boundaries.
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Maduo posted:It is worth saying that despite the vast unknowable depths, this version is very much less obtuse about a lot of things. I've been playing for over a decade and I just found out cavern soil is the best soil because the farm plot straight up tells you that. The reason you didn't know about that before is because that's new in the Steam version.
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deep dish peat moss posted:I think the main difference is that DF is focused on generating the story and history of the world at large where Rimworld is focused on generating the story of your individual colony. Each one has mechanics that support the emergent narrative of that specific aspect of it but are largely lacking the mechanics to support the other. I can see the value of both but Rimworld's version of storytelling is much more engrossing for me personally. I disagree, have you read any of the DF let's plays or watched something like a Kruggsmash video? DF generates amazing stories within your fort, what makes it even cooler is your fort matters/exists in the scope of the entire history of the world. I love Rimworld, I've definitely played it way more than DF but there is just something really unique about DF's ability to create a fully intertwined world. Popete fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Dec 6, 2022 |
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That said it's totally fine if it's not for you. It's quite a specific thing. I feel that Rimworld and DF are comparable in terms of story generation, to be honest.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:How do I look at all the different potential embark sites the finder has found for me They show up as tiny yellow boxes on the zoomed out embark map. I thought for sure it was lying to me but eventually was able to visually locate a single little yellow box, zoom in, and embark. It would be nice to zoom to the location or view them as a list, I think you have to cursor over them now to view all the search sites that meet your criteria.
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Maugrim posted:Thanks this is very useful, and for anyone wondering which file to look in it's announcements.txt Is it worth putting a few steam version tips like this into the op?
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I have a considerable number of hours under my belt playing Dwarf Fortress. On the steam version is it worth doing the tutorial to get a handle on the new user interface, or not worth it?
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Popete posted:I disagree, have you read any of the DF let's plays or watched something like a Kruggsmash video? DF generates amazing stories within your fort, what makes it even cooler is your fort matters/exists in the scope of the entire history of the world. This is exactly what I mean - DF is focused on giving you that stuff (the emergent story of the world) whereas Rimworld is focused on giving you the emergent story of your colony by e.g. more deeply-simulated psychology and needs of the colonists, stories behind why a specific construction material was chosen, etc. DF takes your fort and makes it part of the world. Rimworld takes your colony and makes the world part of it. They're both neat concepts, but I didn't realize the difference before playing DF today and I'm not really into the DF concept myself.
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Diogines posted:I have a considerable number of hours under my belt playing Dwarf Fortress. On the steam version is it worth doing the tutorial to get a handle on the new user interface, or not worth it? The tutorial is like 10 steps and a few minutes long, might as well.
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Diogines posted:I have a considerable number of hours under my belt playing Dwarf Fortress. On the steam version is it worth doing the tutorial to get a handle on the new user interface, or not worth it? I skipped it and didn't have much trouble.
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Them somehow managing to make Dwarf Fortress somewhat user friendly with a functional UI and everything is nothing short of a miracle. I haven't tried it myself yet but it sounds like new untainted people are largely only having minor problems. I've been playing this game for years and I worry that I pickup this new version the ways I've twisted my brain to fit the game won't work anymore. I'm 100% going to buy the Steam version up.
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deep dish peat moss posted:This is exactly what I mean - DF is focused on giving you that stuff (the emergent story of the world) whereas Rimworld is focused on giving you the emergent story of your colony by e.g. more deeply-simulated psychology and needs of the colonists, stories behind why a specific construction material was chosen, etc. you get this stuff in DF too, actually! the dwarves have preferences for certain materials they enjoy or hate, their history and beliefs and personalities inform the art they create, etc.
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deep dish peat moss posted:This is exactly what I mean - DF is focused on giving you that stuff (the emergent story of the world) whereas Rimworld is focused on giving you the emergent story of your colony by e.g. more deeply-simulated psychology and needs of the colonists, stories behind why a specific construction material was chosen, etc. i never got that story making aspect of rimworld- but df takes it way more seriously. You have the whole world reaching story aspect where some goblin becomes god of dwarven civilization and can visit you. then you got the more detailed story of dwarves surviving day to day live in the fortress. With them getting terrified by murder crows pecking em off a cliff. encountering murder mysteries with vampires and were creatures etc... with rimworld its much more simpler than that. But at same time rimworld is more mature in terms of UI. Graphical DF release is step in in good direction but its still way off from being perfect. If you want some form of middle ground between complexity of df and rimworlds approachability with lots of added weirdness. I would recommend amazing cultivator simulator
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palindrome posted:They show up as tiny yellow boxes on the zoomed out embark map. I thought for sure it was lying to me but eventually was able to visually locate a single little yellow box, zoom in, and embark. They show up green for me, basically when the search overlay over the map is happening just look for the different colored boxes that show up. There's no way to just zoom into all of them tho
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Can you replace my current gang tag with the DF gangtag? My submission is this. Atera Splatteredford became the first pick up artist in my world and wrote the book 'Do you know mating?'
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deep dish peat moss posted:This is exactly what I mean - DF is focused on giving you that stuff (the emergent story of the world) whereas Rimworld is focused on giving you the emergent story of your colony by e.g. more deeply-simulated psychology and needs of the colonists, stories behind why a specific construction material was chosen, etc. But that's what I was getting at, I think DF makes compelling stories of your fort as well it's just less guided I guess. Like Rimworld has story driven AI that will react to how good/bad your fort is doing (accumulated wealth, pawn death) to drive the story forward and create suspense, DF doesn't do that directly but it happens dynamically simply because of the detailed simulation of the world. Yes there are invasions but I don't believe they are driven by how well/poorly your fort is doing.
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Dark Off posted:i never got that story making aspect of rimworld- I can't imagine ACS being MORE approachable than DF (then again I played it before the translation was finished) but yeah, my top 3 games played on steam:  That's why I'm so surprised that I just do not like anything about DF 
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BMan posted:the wall is full of jittering noise, which it really shouldn't be sounds like hidden fun stuff
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sebmojo posted:Is it worth putting a few steam version tips like this into the op?  How do I remove a farm plot?
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deep dish peat moss posted:I can't imagine ACS being MORE approachable than DF (then again I played it before the translation was finished) but yeah, my top 3 games played on steam: The reason you're getting a bit of pushback is that every time you say 'DF doesn't do X' it kinda seems that it does. It does do X. And it's totally fine if you just don't like it! You don't have to like every game in a genre that you're fond of. I love ARPGs but I can't stand Grim Dawn and lots of people really love it. So it's all good.
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GruntyThrst posted:Has anyone figured out how to disallow seeds from cooking? I think I doomed myself. Go to the labor menu in the bottom left and then the "kitchen" tab, then you should be able to change permissions on cooking/brewing.
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deep dish peat moss posted:e: Also I'm not trying to say that Rimworld is a better game, I just know a lot of long-time Rimworld players are looking at DF and salivating right now and I just wanted to post some context on my personal thoughts for any of them reading this thread Thanks for posting! As a fellow rimworld fan I was excited about DF but everything you've mentioned has lowered my expectations by a ton.
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Wolfechu posted:How does one see how many people are playing a particular game on steam? I don't think I've ever come across that info. https://steamdb.info/app/975370/graphs/
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deep dish peat moss posted:I'm currently a week(ish) into my first fortress and I have done nothing except scale up stockpile space the entire time how have you been playing the game for a week already....
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hot tip, newbies: If you (custom) embark with a couple of war dogs*, and at least 2 ropes, create a 1x1 entrance/exit leading from the outside into your fort. This can either be through constructed walls (if say you just dug straight down and not into the mountain side), or mined walls. Construct 1 rope on either side of your new entrance and assign a war dog* to each one. If a Kea (or any other critter) tries to enter your fort to steal something, it will be attacked by the dogs. Obviously this only works if everything of value is contained within your walls. caveat: this was a foolproof method in classic DF, I only assume it hasn't been changed for Steam. *only ever done it with war dogs, other animals may suffice 
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I cannot wait to get home from work and sink countless hours into this game again!deep dish peat moss posted:I can't imagine ACS being MORE approachable than DF (then again I played it before the translation was finished) but yeah, my top 3 games played on steam: You are not at that point with Dwarf Fortress, and it will take a long time to get to that point. For instance you were talking about indistinguishable materials in DF but the interesting decisions around Plasteel in Rimworld. Adamantine is the Plasteel of Dwarf Fortress with some incredible properties you'll have to read a wiki to really figure out (I'm pretty sure plasteel is the color it is in Rimworld as a reference to the color of adamantine). There's a lot more chaff you have to sort through in Dwarf Fotress that Rimworld just collects all into one easier to understand single thing, but that doesn't mean Rimworld has more meaningful flavor, just easier to discern flavor. With countless hours played in both I really think Rimworld's only advantages are accessibility and focus on balanced gameplay challenges. Pretty big advantages to be sure, but I while love Rimworld but the things you're describing aren't the things it actually does better in my experience.
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pizzabutt posted:They show up green for me, basically when the search overlay over the map is happening just look for the different colored boxes that show up. There's no way to just zoom into all of them tho Oh, I bet that is because for me there was only 1 zone that fit the finder criteria, and it was only a partial match (aquifer present when searching for no aquifer) and thus yellow. Green must be when all your search settings match. A random odd thing I noticed is I couldn't find a way to put skills into "Building Designer" or "Architect" when preparing carefully for the journey. I used to like to put a few skill points into building designer but I can't seem to find that skill on any of the embark screen tabs. Essential, labor, military, other... nada. Maybe they renamed it to something else or I'm just not seeing it.
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