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Trillhouse
Dec 31, 2000

Antigravitas posted:

"History is written by the victors" is a phrase that annoys me to an unreasonable degree.

History is written by the people who can write. For much of history, literacy is afforded only to a select few and written history is shaped by the motives of those who were recording it. Those social classes don't just vanish after conquest! Administrators, clerics, merchants – those would stick around when the Lord/King/Emperor got replaced.

And even now, the interpretation and recording of history happens in classes that don't map to who wins or loses wars!

Grrrr.

also doesn't apply to WWII to a hilarious degree. all those nazi memoirs about the soviet "hordes" who only won because hitler was crazy/stupid(unlike the author, a genius general who would have easily won every battle if he was in charge) and the soviets threw waves of bodies. we didn't get owned. don't put in my memoir that we got owned.

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olives black
Nov 24, 2017


LENIN.
STILL.
WON'T.
FUCK.
ME.
https://youtu.be/yBpSgAF_Mws

Flowers for QAnon
May 20, 2019

kntfkr posted:

I saw Kanye at Rutgersfest in 2004 and didn't know who he was.

I saw him perform “Jesus walks” dressed as Jesus at a dnc fundraiser. Obama was there too!

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Hollismason posted:

This is so loving bizarre, where is his new interview at / with

With Gavin Mcinnes, founder of the Proud Boys to give you an idea of why he'd want Yedolph on his programme

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Hollismason posted:

This is so loving bizarre, where is his new interview at / with
The whole mask thing is making it weirder. It's like he is trying to hide from his poo poo opinion behind a really tastless "actually i am insane, you shouldn't be mean to me" defense.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Toplowtech posted:

The whole mask thing is making it weirder. It's like he is trying to hide from his poo poo opinion behind a really tastless "actually i am insane, you shouldn't be mean to me" defense.

He apparently did the mask thing when he was recording music. Back when his mania was just quirky instead of well this

Saltpowered
Apr 12, 2010

Chief Executive Officer
Awful Industries, LLC

Elias_Maluco posted:

He denied the holocaust, he says jews control the world, he blames jews for random deaths

That seems national-socialistic enough for me, but Im no specialist

Yeah, that’s most of the checks. More specifically:

He wants a totalitarian leadership fascist state, believes in scientific racism (especially against Jews and Asians), and specifically is perpetuating hatred against the Jews. He’s running with people like Fuentes and Alexander whose bends of Fascism lean more towards Christian Fascism with a leader who is also a pseudo-religious figure and who enacts laws against other religious groups. Alexander specifically wants anti-blasphemy laws and Fuentes supports a lot of puritanical sexism laws. Ye seems to support both of these things whole-heartedly because he doesn’t believe women have agency and wants to be the pseudo-religious fascist leader.

He’s absolutely a modern day Nazi and it seems he’s been this way for a while. Fuentes and Alexander and others are just helping him hone his beliefs to something more hideously concrete instead of vague “I hate Jews.”

massive spider
Dec 6, 2006

Ups_rail posted:

If he was spouting national socialism or really just making coherent statements I would call him a nazi. But that isnt what he did in the interview. They had lura loomer (jewish woman) who tried to get clout and we she asked kanye about the jews he started quoting the bible.

Maybe I m infantilizing him, but the playing with a yahoo drink wearing a mask, and just saying "I love hitler, I love jews" just makes me pitty him.

Kanye is absolutely mentally ill and saying things that are pitiful and dont make sense but that doesn't make him not a nazi.

If you try to add up the amount of nazis who are mentally well and say sane, coherent things you start seeing the problem there.

e:

quote:


It is preposterous to think that they are divided by any racial characteristics. Germans may be more susceptible to Nazism than most people, but I doubt it. Jews are barred out, but it is an arbitrary ruling. I know lots of Jews who are born Nazis and many others who would heil Hitler tomorrow morning if given a chance. There are Jews who have repudiated their own ancestors in order to become “Honorary Aryans and Nazis”; there are full-blooded Jews who have enthusiastically entered Hitler’s secret service. Nazism has nothing to do with race and nationality. It appeals to a certain type of mind.

It is also, to an immense extent, the disease of a generation—the generation which was either young or unborn at the end of the last war. This is as true of Englishmen, Frenchmen, and Americans as of Germans. It is the disease of the so-called “lost generation.”

Sometimes I think there are direct biological factors at work—a type of education, feeding, and physical training which has produced a new kind of human being with an imbalance in his nature. He has been fed vitamins and filled with energies that are beyond the capacity of his intellect to discipline. He has been treated to forms of education which have released him from inhibitions. His body is vigorous. His mind is childish. His soul has been almost completely neglected.

https://harpers.org/archive/1941/08/who-goes-nazi/

The thing I find interesting about this essay is the point its making is that there isnt really a single prototypical 'true' nazi so much is it is a brain rot that certain types of attitudes make you susceptible to. In reality most nazis would fail their own purity tests. West most obviously by being black, and yet he's still going nazi.

massive spider fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Dec 7, 2022

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

massive spider posted:

West most obviously by being black, and yet he's still going nazi.
An extremely rich and successful person working in fashion business turns nazi? NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

I wonder if Kanye heard this Malcom X bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNKhfsxnOmM

StrangersInTheNight
Dec 31, 2007
ABSOLUTE FUCKING GUDGEON

Saltpowered posted:

Yeah, that’s most of the checks. More specifically:

He wants a totalitarian leadership fascist state, believes in scientific racism (especially against Jews and Asians), and specifically is perpetuating hatred against the Jews. He’s running with people like Fuentes and Alexander whose bends of Fascism lean more towards Christian Fascism with a leader who is also a pseudo-religious figure and who enacts laws against other religious groups. Alexander specifically wants anti-blasphemy laws and Fuentes supports a lot of puritanical sexism laws. Ye seems to support both of these things whole-heartedly because he doesn’t believe women have agency and wants to be the pseudo-religious fascist leader.

He’s absolutely a modern day Nazi and it seems he’s been this way for a while. Fuentes and Alexander and others are just helping him hone his beliefs to something more hideously concrete instead of vague “I hate Jews.”

Yeh his views break down to, he believes Jewish folks are being controlled by Satan and the only way to save the world from their Satanic porn is Christofascism

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel
Please stop mentioning Ye's mania all the time. You have no idea if or when it was happening.

Don't blame this nazi gently caress's beliefs on mental illness.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
Oh look we got a psychiatrist in the thread all of a sudden

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

CharlestheHammer posted:

Oh look we got a psychiatrist in the thread all of a sudden

Well I can with 100% certainty say that I have more experience with psychiatrists than Kanye.

Also a lot of you guys aren't acknowledging the other side of BIpolar. The depression where you can't get out of bed or eat or bathe or do the most basic things. So far I haven't seen that from this clear narcissist.

Pennywise the Frown fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Dec 7, 2022

Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012

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Pennywise the Frown posted:

Please stop mentioning Ye's mania all the time. You have no idea if or when it was happening.

Don't blame this nazi gently caress's beliefs on mental illness.

Went through the wrong door in the Shivering Isles expansion for "The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion" and now I'm a nazi

3hands
Feb 23, 2018

deport mcinnes

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD
I wish when mental health or psychology came up people would just shut the gently caress up and keep their ignorant opinions to themselves. I've read people say poo poo ITT like "narcissists don't commit suicide" as though that's some kind of opinion that's generally held by psychologists. People don't pretend to know poo poo about heart disease or spout some cheap factoid they heard on TV when they hear someone has an irregular heartbeat.

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

Funky See Funky Do posted:

I've read people say poo poo ITT like "narcissists don't commit suicide" as though that's some kind of opinion that's generally held by psychologists.

When you word it like that it's not, but "narcissistic personality disorder appears to be somewhat protective against suicide attempts on its own" is an opinion generally held by psychologists, (but not strongly, what I mean is the research, which is not very strong, does still show that.)

But doesn't matter too much because that's not his diagnosis, and even if it's likely (and I think it is) so are a lot of other things.

Trillhouse
Dec 31, 2000

Pennywise the Frown posted:

Well I can with 100% certainty say that I have more experience with psychiatrists than Kanye.

Also a lot of you guys aren't acknowledging the other side of BIpolar. The depression where you can't get out of bed or eat or bathe or do the most basic things. So far I haven't seen that from this clear narcissist.

eh he's very clearly stopped taking care of himself. he's put on a lot of weight and his beard looks terrible/ungroomed. it's one of the reasons he wears the mask

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



ASK ME ABOUT
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BrainDance posted:

When you word it like that it's not, but "narcissistic personality disorder appears to be somewhat protective against suicide attempts on its own" is an opinion generally held by psychologists, (but not strongly, what I mean is the research, which is not very strong, does still show that.)

But doesn't matter too much because that's not his diagnosis, and even if it's likely (and I think it is) so are a lot of other things.

What the gently caress are you even saying.

Funky See Funky Do
Aug 20, 2013
STILL TRYING HARD

BrainDance posted:

When you word it like that it's not, but "narcissistic personality disorder appears to be somewhat protective against suicide attempts on its own" is an opinion generally held by psychologists, (but not strongly, what I mean is the research, which is not very strong, does still show that.)

But doesn't matter too much because that's not his diagnosis, and even if it's likely (and I think it is) so are a lot of other things.

Yeah and npd is completely different to what 99% of people mean when they say marcissist.

Vengarr
Jun 17, 2010

Smashed before noon

Pennywise the Frown posted:

Please stop mentioning Ye's mania all the time. You have no idea if or when it was happening.

Don't blame this nazi gently caress's beliefs on mental illness.

Nah he’s clearly mentally ill OP

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



We're the simulation they use to stress test reality until we do a core dump

TelevisedInsanity
Dec 19, 2008

"You'll never know if you can fly unless you take the risk of falling."

smellmycheese posted:

James Cordon needs to step in and do a Kanye Carpool Karaoke where he can definitively prove he’s not a Nazi.



I think you mean "airpool karaoke"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgLOv36an3s

This might as well be equal to the Fallon Hair Tussle.

Bargearse
Nov 27, 2006

🛑 Don't get your pen🖊️, son, you won't be 👌 needing that 😌. My 🥡 order's 💁 simple😉, a shitload 💩 of dim sims 🌯🀄. And I want a bucket 🪣 of soya sauce☕😋.

TelevisedInsanity posted:



I think you mean "airpool karaoke"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgLOv36an3s

This might as well be equal to the Fallon Hair Tussle.

Great, now I know this exists.

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost
What the gently caress is going on here? Can we maybe not accelerate the end of the simulation? Like I still haven't seen the Grand Canyon.

Jelly
Feb 11, 2004

Ask me about my STD collection!

TelevisedInsanity posted:



I think you mean "airpool karaoke"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgLOv36an3s

This might as well be equal to the Fallon Hair Tussle.

This might be the thing I hate more than anything else in the world.

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

Dang It Bhabhi! posted:

What the gently caress are you even saying.

People with narcissistic personality disorder attempt suicide less than the overall average. Though when they do attempt suicide they're more likely to be successful but it averages out to less suicide.

This effect is not very strong, more research is probably needed. There's a whole thing I could say about psychology research in general here.

Most psychologists, if you asked them, would probably say roughly this.

Kanye, if he has narcissistic personality disorder, also has bipolar disorder at the least so this does not matter much for him.

Funky See Funky Do posted:

Yeah and npd is completely different to what 99% of people mean when they say marcissist.

I don't think that's true here, I'm pretty sure that's what people in this thread were talking about when they say narcissism is protective against suicide.

BrainDance fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Dec 7, 2022

Unperson_47
Oct 14, 2007



The Butcher posted:

What the gently caress is going on here? Can we maybe not accelerate the end of the simulation? Like I still haven't seen the Grand Canyon.

Please, simulYetion

Unperson_47 fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Dec 7, 2022

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR

If I was on this plane, we wouldn't be talking about Ye anymore and everyone would have to take their shoes off again at airports.

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

Vengarr posted:

Nah he’s clearly mentally ill OP

No poo poo. But I'm kind of tired of hearing goons say "well he was manic when this happened which is why he did this." How the gently caress do you know? Armchair psychologists eh? Viewing all evidence 100% through media.

You can be mentally ill and still be a piece of poo poo at the same time.

I have bipolar and somehow I didn't end up being a nazi. :shrug:

Pennywise the Frown fucked around with this message at 02:15 on Dec 7, 2022

Bad Purchase
Jun 17, 2019




kanye’s behavior is probably linked to heart disease. i know the signs, my dad has it and says many of the same things.

LordoftheScheisse
Jan 16, 2016
I went to a friendsgiving like 10 years ago and this really cute girl and I were talking and I noticed her phone case was just a picture of Kanye. I thought he was an ok musician at the time so I thought she just liked his music or whatever. I jokingly pointed out the case and it's like her eyes glazed over and she sincerely, seriously started going on about how he was a genius and how he was so much more than a musician, etc.

Anyway, that was my first experience with real life cultist types and I gotta say, it's only gotten worse since then.

DJ Fuckboy Supreme
Feb 10, 2011

And when you stare long into the abyss, you become aggressively, terminally chill

In this essay regarding Kanye west's mental state I

Ror
Oct 21, 2010

😸Everything's 🗞️ purrfect!💯🤟


it's actually testicular torsion

his balls hurt real bad

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

DJ Fuckboy Supreme posted:

In this essay regarding Kanye west's mental state I

I have seen countless videos of him speaking on TMZ, therefore my diagnosis is......

Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012

‿︵‿︵‿︵‿Lean Addict︵‿︵‿︵‿
Pennywise I'll just say, speaking scientifically, you may have bipolar and not also be a nazi but Pete Davidson has also not dated your ex-wife, so you are not a proper control group....

Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012

‿︵‿︵‿︵‿Lean Addict︵‿︵‿︵‿
It all comes back to "Skete"...

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

Buschmaki posted:

Pennywise I'll just say, speaking scientifically, you may have bipolar and not also be a nazi but Pete Davidson has also not dated your ex-wife, so you are not a proper control group....

Well I have a decent dong that I actually like but I can't compete with Pete's magnum hog.

If it's true though, he'd have broken my ex-wife in half. We even had "issues" due to my thing.

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Bad Purchase
Jun 17, 2019




my psych said i have becklover disorder

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