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Factoids from the call: 70% of players play commander 1/3 have played <3 years, 1/3 have played >10 years >50% play both in paper and online.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Factoids from the call: Christ, i know commander was the most popular format but 70%!?!?!?!
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Dec 8, 2022 21:10
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I mean, its not "plays commander exclusively" so that's pretty reasonable
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Dec 8, 2022 21:19
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Did they say they're getting that from surveys or from Commander precon sales? That seems like a very hard metric to pin down.
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Dec 8, 2022 21:31
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There was some long 40 page survey that went out to some people and got leaked out over reddit, I know I participated in. Could be from that.
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Dec 8, 2022 21:59
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I wonder if "play commander" is defined as playing x amount of times per month? Or is it just "has played commander in the last year" or something? 70% seems crazy to me, but I guess if it's just "plays once in a blue moon" it could make sense
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Dec 8, 2022 22:02
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Strong Sauce posted:thanks for posting this. i think you struck a nice balance between writing every single interaction (what i would have done) and just summarizing.
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Dec 8, 2022 22:09
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It always seemed like there were doubts on format numbers because it was assumed that kitchen table players were a huge untouched and non surveyed group.
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Dec 8, 2022 22:17
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Jiro posted:There was some long 40 page survey that went out to some people and got leaked out over reddit, I know I participated in. Could be from that. I love filling those out and say I hate everything they are doing and also I make a million dollars a year.
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Dec 8, 2022 22:38
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Weird Pumpkin posted:I wonder if "play commander" is defined as playing x amount of times per month? Or is it just "has played commander in the last year" or something? The frequency of how much you played each format was in that survey. Completely plausible. bigperm posted:I love filling those out and say I hate everything they are doing and also I make a million dollars a year. Oh I just wrote loving ESSAYS oh how much I've hated a bunch of predatory poo poo they've been doing, was cathartic to write and at the same time I knew it wouldn't loving matter. Lol................. 
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Dec 8, 2022 22:41
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It's crazy because commander is more like monopoly than magic. It bears very little similarity to the magic that i grew up playing lol
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Dec 8, 2022 23:46
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mcmagic posted:It's crazy because commander is more like monopoly than magic. It bears very little similarity to the magic that i grew up playing lol commander is the most popular form of m:tg so it sounds like monopoly is very magic-like actually. wait, what on earth are you talking about?
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Dec 8, 2022 23:56
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mcmagic posted:It's crazy because commander is more like monopoly than magic. It bears very little similarity to the magic that i grew up playing lol Good, because you were probably a big, dumb nerd. Commander is Chad Magic. Get with the program.
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Dec 8, 2022 23:59
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:
30% of players lie.
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Dec 9, 2022 00:01
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the thing about commander is that there's a lot of ways to play commander and if you and your friends want to play it in a certain way that appeals to you it's built in that you're allowed to do that, so go ham
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Dec 9, 2022 00:01
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I have no doubts that their flawed surveying and their usual very sound data analytics led to wizards finding the 70% number. It’s also not shocking that a world where competitive magic barely exists edh could thrive even more. It also doesn’t seem to matter except how they respond based on this information.
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Dec 9, 2022 00:05
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I mean, I can believe 70% of people surveyed have played some amount of commander ever. Who knows how many describe themselves as commander players.
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Dec 9, 2022 00:13
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:I mean, I can believe 70% of people surveyed have played some amount of commander ever. Who knows how many describe themselves as commander players. Right. And the threshold of playing paper and also have played arena is pretty easy too.
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Dec 9, 2022 00:17
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Aphrodite posted:Good, because you were probably a big, dumb nerd. as if there are magic players who aren't big dumb nerds
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Dec 9, 2022 00:23
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Sickening posted:Right. And the threshold of playing paper and also have played arena is pretty easy too. Yeah, I mean it's not like they don't do cross promotional stuff between the two (even if it's not what it should be). frankly, if you play paper it's hard to see how you'd have possibly escaped playing commander at some point given how hard they've pushed it over the last decade - you'd basically either need to exclusively play limited or just conceptually hate the poo poo out of the format even the sort of person who would grind tournaments (if they existed) is almost certain to get roped into playing commander occasionally, because that level of dedication to the game implies it's a substantial social outlet less serious people who'd do organized play at pre-releases/FNMs and the like also are almost certainly going to get roped in given the death of Standard and network effect of other "magic people" playing edh, the ease of getting started/maintaining decks given the format's eternal nature and flood of supporting products, ability to support old and pet cards for returning players returning after a hiatus, etc. and while most talk about autarchic "kitchen table" players always sounds like unsupported "silent majority" posturing, it's genuinely not hard to imagine that the decade+ of concentrated effort by Wizards and the qualities listed above (as well as things like only ever needing one of any given "good card," Timmy appeal of Legends as face-of-the-deck, variance of play, and scalability to playgroup size) have succeeded in a defacto standardization of casual constructed play for a lot of them too
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Dec 9, 2022 01:11
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I heard the survey found out 100% of magic players play magic, investors were very interested in this.
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Dec 9, 2022 01:16
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As a filthy casual who has friends getting into the hobby for the first time, I think experienced magic players really underestimate the allure of having a wide variety of interesting precons combined with a format that lets people easily use the random pet cards they’ve picked up over time without needing multiples.
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Dec 9, 2022 02:02
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weekly font posted:M30 wasn’t mentioned at all in the corpocall but Warhammer and DnD sets were cranked off so that all but confirms it was a massive failure to me. No way they aren’t talking about how yooooooge it was on an investor call if their one thousand dollar set didn’t make them bank. They did talk about it. They said they scaled it back after backlash. Lol
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Dec 9, 2022 02:32
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Victor Surge posted:I heard the survey found out 100% of magic players play magic, investors were very interested in this. bullshit, I'm sure there is at least 1% who just make decks and then never play them and just complain online
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Dec 9, 2022 05:08
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GoutPatrol posted:bullshit, I'm sure there is at least 1% who just make decks and then never play them and just complain online Let's not forget the ones who don't even make the decks in the first place!
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Dec 9, 2022 05:20
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70% of Magic players play Commander sounds about right based on people I play with IRL
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Dec 9, 2022 06:12
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I’m a proud 30%er. 
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Dec 9, 2022 06:14
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:I’m a proud 30%er.  No one else I know plays Commander, or MTG at all, and I feel like going to a constructed FNM easier or less awkward to slot into than maybe an established Commander pod. I also find all the rule 0 or deck power level stuff a little too convoluted.
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Dec 9, 2022 07:36
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I've never played commander even though I'm sure I would enjoy it. I mostly only play with my friends who are not into magic that much. We play using the dual decks I made myself. They are all singleton so its kind of like commander I guess.
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Dec 9, 2022 11:28
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Speaking anecdotally just from folks at my LGS we can usually get around 8 people for Modern, sometimes just 5 or 6, but there are about 8 regulars. Commander is similar, 8 core people but a lot more who just show up once every month or so. I'd say that overall I've seen maybe 20 people play in at least one Commander game more than once. Of those two groups just me and one other play in both. The other Modern players are either casual players with a deck that they keep just for this or dudes who aspire to win bigger events and are just grinding out practice. And the Commander players have never expressed interest in Modern or any other format other than Pauper. Just needing one copy of a card is a big deal for most of them from what I've heard. Also on a different note, I bought a box of Jumpstart 2022 because I love playing games of it with people. I'd like to keep the packs as they are for the foreseeable future. I found these like reusable booster packs called cubeamajigs, has anyone else ever used them and can tell me if they're worth picking up?
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Dec 9, 2022 13:42
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Cubamajigs are great. I have 25 packs of Jumpstart 2020 sleeved up and cubamajigged. Each one is juuuust barely big enough to hold twenty sleeved cards and the title card thingy.
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Dec 9, 2022 14:19
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If you want a little extra room in your packs, you could get Keyforge deck boxes.
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Dec 9, 2022 15:01
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:They don't have enough players to offer that many queues without huge wait times. I think this is a self fulfilling prophecy and thus a bad excuse
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Dec 9, 2022 16:41
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big cummers ONLY posted:Cubamajigs are great. I have 25 packs of Jumpstart 2020 sleeved up and cubamajigged. Each one is juuuust barely big enough to hold twenty sleeved cards and the title card thingy. also seconding cubesmajigs as being a quality product and perfect for this application (as well as cubes)
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Dec 9, 2022 18:31
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in recent video Professor mentioned WotC doesn't talk to him or like him. To me he seems like the "main" Magic youtuber person, someone could easily recommend to anyone. Probably the only content creator for Magic I've heard discussed in person. My guess is that he isn't a dedicated rear end-kisser and will advocate buying singles (which wizards has to like since it means they can sell secret lairs and 280 booster boxes whenever they want) and he reviews products fairly honestly, albeit still generous towards WotC's side of things. Game Knights is the one WotC sponsor's directly, right? Fun enough show when the main dudes aren't steamrolling guests but I guess I've never seen them knock WotC in any way and they also seem scared and apologize a lot when going through scripts for eps.
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Dec 9, 2022 18:42
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I mean, they used to, bu then he calls out their bullshit and who needs that amirite?
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Dec 9, 2022 19:16
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It's telling that they wouldn't want to work with the most well known and generally reliable content creator who has probably drawn in tens of thousands of paying customers to them just because he gives candid reviews of their products
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Dec 9, 2022 19:24
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Professor is friends with Gavin so it’s definitely not a “we will not engage” kind of thing, but I’m sure they’re definitely salty about him being fair about their bullshit instead of fawning over everything.
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Dec 9, 2022 19:33
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Khanstant posted:in recent video Professor mentioned WotC doesn't talk to him or like him. This has been the case for years and he's been very public about it. They do not like it when he shits on bad products and he refused to only publish glowing reviews.
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The last time I think they worked with him was that $250 fetchland Secret Lair box thing, which was a bullshit product. He had Gavin on and did an initial puff piece about it, but then later criticized it and that was it. He doesn't even get preview cards anymore.
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