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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
Ya I have a dozen passports because I just think they're neat

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Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

smug jeebus posted:

So is Paul Whelan really a spy or what? Serious question

reading the dudes bio there’s zero chance he’s an intelligence officer but “court martialed enlisted marine and itinerant cop with collection of nationalities suddenly becomes chief corporate officer for vague company with inexplicable duties in Russia” sure raises red flags for an agent (disposable guy being ran by intelligence officers).

But there’s totally a type of guy who likes to imply he’s some sort of secret baddass while absolutely not being one and cop/marine reservist triggers those flags as well.

who knows

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

smug jeebus posted:

Someone should tell Putin that he can win by saving what he loves

How will saving anime win the war

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Best Friends posted:

(disposable guy being ran by intelligence officers).

correct
guy seems like a dipshit

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

The key take away for every country out there is just arrest high profile americans in their countries on (real) drug charges, convict them (easy enough) then trade them back to the USA at a later date for some loot.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Best Friends posted:

reading the dudes bio there’s zero chance he’s an intelligence officer but “court martialed enlisted marine and itinerant cop with collection of nationalities suddenly becomes chief corporate officer for vague company with inexplicable duties in Russia” sure raises red flags for an agent (disposable guy being ran by intelligence officers).

But there’s totally a type of guy who likes to imply he’s some sort of secret baddass while absolutely not being one and cop/marine reservist triggers those flags as well.

who knows

Canadian too. He would have had a better career going into the Police Service of Northern Ireland than the USMC.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

euphronius posted:

drat right. probably the second best in the whole 9 movie main run.

Lmfao

Computer Serf
May 14, 2005
Buglord

euphronius posted:

Majorian posted:

The Last Jedi was a good movie.:hai:

drat right. probably the second best in the whole 9 movie main run.

The Last Jedi has some fun meta themes

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/01/millennials-strike-back-an-esoteric-reading-of-the-last-jedi

Caleb and Samantha Cohoe posted:

The new Star Wars movies start where, forty years ago, the original began. Despite the triumph at the end of Return of the Jedi, the political situation in the Star Wars universe has reverted to its previous state. The Empire is now the First Order, the Rebellion is now the Resistance, Palpatine is Snoke, and there are no meaningful differences between the originals and their replacements. Many viewers have complained about the stasis, and indeed it is disappointing. But a Straussian esoteric reading will reveal that it serves a purpose.

Our heroes avoid mentioning the political stagnation—probably because it is decisive evidence of their failure. Luke, Leia, and the other protagonists of the original trilogy continue to see their stories as central to the universe, even though they have accomplished nothing. Rather than restoring balance and galactic order, they have produced a generation of orphans, stuck fighting their supposed leaders’ battles all over again. And no wonder the leaders are no help—they have never even read their own sacred texts, and they abandon their commitments as soon as they face failure.

This, of course, is a sociopolitical meta-commentary on the failures of the baby boomers. The original Star Wars films (Episodes IV-VI) celebrated the revolutions of the 1960s and 1970s, which the boomers believed had led to a more peaceful, enlightened, and improved universe. The same narrative was repackaged for a new generation in the 1990s, with cosmetic tweaks. And then there were the prequels. But now, in the 2010s, the failures of the revolutionaries can no longer be obscured.

Kylo Ren, our new villain, is the only character to draw attention to these galactic defects: He wants to sweep away the failures of the previous generations and start afresh. “Let the past die,” he says. “Kill it, if you have to.” Kylo was nearly killed by his uncle and mentor, Luke Skywalker, who feared being supplanted by his student (and was probably a lousy mentor anyway, having never completed his own training). Kylo has since gone over to the dark side, but his new master, Snoke, just wants to turn him into a Darth Vader clone. Given that these are his options, of course Kylo wants to kill the past and get rid of both Empire and Rebellion! Sadly, the powerful young woman he wants to join forces with, Rey, is misled by the propaganda of Luke’s generation.

Rey and Kylo are at their best together, fighting for themselves and each other, not for the hypothetical virtues of senatorial rule. But she has absorbed the rebels’ self-serving narrative, and it prevents her from realizing that the Skywalkers and the Rebellion—or Resistance, or whatever they are calling themselves now—have no answers. So she returns to the companion the rebels have selected for her: Finn, the token convert from the First Order. He lacks even a fraction of Rey’s powers, but he still has a leading role as a symbol that the Resistance will finally triumph over the First Order. The Resistance, though, is down to a handful of true believers trying to fan the last embers of their failure into another full-fledged delusion, to ruin a new generation.

There is not enough strength left in the old leadership to do more than spin stories. Leia’s use of the Force to return, zombie-like, to a position of leadership and oversee further disasters is another instance of boomers’ misusing their privileges to cling to their hegemony as long as they can.

Critics have complained that the movies return us to exactly the same balance of power. But this is the point. Nothing changes. Neither the First Order nor the Rebel Alliance is worthy of trust. Their fight over who is in control is irrelevant to the daily lives of the oppressed masses. As Benicio Del Toro’s jaded codebreaker, DJ, expresses: “They blow you up, you blow them up.” The slave children of Canto Bight, who are not deemed worth saving, surely see it this way. At the very least, Broom Boy will remember what the priorities of the rebel saviors were: rescuing the fathiers (charming and exotic horse-like creatures) from the stables of the casino planet, while leaving the child stable hands in chains.

The title of the film, The Last Jedi, only emphasizes that there are no Jedi. These mythical figures, who were supposed to have achieved a mastery of self, are gone. Note that in none of the eight movies so far is the intensive and painful Jedi training regimen followed through. Not a single real Jedi is produced. Instead we have Luke, the “last Jedi,” who cannot master himself or his feelings. He wallows in failure and refuses to do the hard work of addressing what his emotional reactions have wrought. Instead—while hallucinating Yoda’s approval!—he torches what little remains of millennia of tradition, because it feels good. Naturally, this depiction of Luke has provoked a furious reaction from fanboys.

The film’s meta-commentary is that the revolutions of 1968 and following accomplished nothing. The boomers endlessly cling to their narrative and rehash their fights under slightly different names, with no real change. It is no wonder that those who want to burn the past are emboldened today, whether on the far left or on the fascist right. And no wonder, too, that in a world still controlled by the boomers, this critique had to be an esoteric one, hidden within a narrative the boomers would love and pay for.

funny scene where Benicio Del Toro finds out the ship they’re on is an arms dealer selling to both the empire and the rebels :thunk:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NwYnbwQ0kv4

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
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paul_soccer12 posted:

Ya I have a dozen passports because I just think they're neat

me too, but for very different reasons

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Computer Serf posted:

The Last Jedi has some fun meta themes

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/01/millennials-strike-back-an-esoteric-reading-of-the-last-jedi

funny scene where Benicio Del Toro finds out the ship they’re on is an arms dealer selling to both the empire and the rebels :thunk:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NwYnbwQ0kv4

It is almost as if the film is saying that the old is dying and yet will not allow the new to be born.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

lobster shirt posted:

i think more us marines should be in russian prisons

Look at this fuckin scab, trying to take jobs away from good honest American prison guards.:argh:

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Computer Serf posted:

The Last Jedi has some fun meta themes

https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/01/millennials-strike-back-an-esoteric-reading-of-the-last-jedi

funny scene where Benicio Del Toro finds out the ship they’re on is an arms dealer selling to both the empire and the rebels :thunk:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NwYnbwQ0kv4

Ehhh, that is a real strech, the mechanics of Hollywood, run by many of the same people as decades ago, are designed to continually pump out identical copies of previous elements of popular culture to the point they are nearly identical in their story beats. Star Wars in particular is infamous for for constant recycling, Lucas was proud of it. You could say one scene had intentionality but I don't think it is enough to build an entire narrative around.

The message of every Hollywood film has always stasis, there are very rarely honest changes to the world order from the start of the film. Americans can not think imagine a future beyond the stability of the imperium (Brits can't either - Harry Potter/Lotr). Star Wars also ends up with the restoration of the Republic (which did literally jack poo poo for thousands of years except made some companies rich).

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:21 on Dec 8, 2022

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

DancingShade posted:

The key take away for every country out there is just arrest high profile americans in their countries on (real) drug charges, convict them (easy enough) then trade them back to the USA at a later date for some loot.

Russia obviously doesn't care right now, but most countries have something to lose when it comes to their reputation for being safe to visit.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Computer Serf posted:

funny scene where Benicio Del Toro finds out the ship they’re on is an arms dealer selling to both the empire and the rebels :thunk:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=NwYnbwQ0kv4

I could be misremembering, but doesn't he end up betraying them or otherwise being bad (which in movie logic means that the things he said were also bad/wrong)? While I'd prefer if it was actually pointing out how meaningless the conflict is, it seems at least as likely that he's meant to mock people who pretend to be detached and say "both sides are bad."

edit: TLJ is still unquestionably the best of the new trilogy, just because the other two movies are so profoundly empty of anything even remotely worth discussing. At least TLJ did some unexpected stuff.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Ytlaya posted:

edit: TLJ is still unquestionably the best of the new trilogy, just because the other two movies are so profoundly empty of anything even remotely worth discussing. At least TLJ did some unexpected stuff.

Palp's plan was to save the galaxy from the endless stagnation of the Republic, only by killing it that the galaxy finally saw some dynamism until he was put down again.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Ytlaya posted:

I could be misremembering, but doesn't he end up betraying them or otherwise being bad (which in movie logic means that the things he said were also bad/wrong)? While I'd prefer if it was actually pointing out how meaningless the conflict is, it seems at least as likely that he's meant to mock people who pretend to be detached and say "both sides are bad."

He does betray them, but I didn't read that betrayal as a repudiation of his point. It fits into the movie's broader narrative of "the old ways don't work anymore, if they ever did; the leaders of the past need to step aside and let a new generation take things in a new direction," which was a very attractive message to young audiences post-2016, if sadly surface-level. The fact that JJ took the next movie in basically the same direction as the Dems since then (ie: haha, you want change? gently caress you, you're getting Biden/more sacred Jedi bloodline poo poo) is, shall we say...



Ardennes posted:

Palp's plan was to save the galaxy from the endless stagnation of the Republic, only by killing it that the galaxy finally saw some dynamism until he was put down again.

lol "God-Emperor of Tatooine" was underrated.

CongoJack
Nov 5, 2009

Ask Why, Asshole
The prequels hit harder now that it is even more apparent that we, too, are in a dying system sliding towards authoritarian control due to the previous system being unwilling or unable to act appropriately to avert disaster. Even the supposed heroes of the story, the Jedi, are so detached from any society or social group but their own to the point they allow slavery to continue in places they have jurisdiction. They quickly embrace militarism the moment it is offered to them and continue to call themselves peacekeepers the entire time they fight a war to maintain control over various peoples who are trying to determine their own political system outside the republic.

There is a lot of political action happening in the prequel and imperial era in Star Wars that is really fun to watch, the Mandalorian has some of this too but the sequel trilogy as movies fails to capture these kind of elements that make the other stuff a lot more interesting to me.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Majorian posted:

lol "God-Emperor of Tatooine" was underrated.

It would have at least made things interesting.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009
Oh yeah, uh, in terms of stuff relating to the thread's topic, Bakhmut is apparently still happening:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1600625494008991744

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

CongoJack posted:

The prequels hit harder now that it is even more apparent that we, too, are in a dying system sliding towards authoritarian control due to the previous system being unwilling or unable to act appropriately to avert disaster. Even the supposed heroes of the story, the Jedi, are so detached from any society or social group but their own to the point they allow slavery to continue in places they have jurisdiction. They quickly embrace militarism the moment it is offered to them and continue to call themselves peacekeepers the entire time they fight a war to maintain control over various peoples who are trying to determine their own political system outside the republic.

There is a lot of political action happening in the prequel and imperial era in Star Wars that is really fun to watch, the Mandalorian has some of this too but the sequel trilogy as movies fails to capture these kind of elements that make the other stuff a lot more interesting to me.

they blew up all the politics in the The Force Awakens with a big space laser. politics is boring grandpa :rolleyes:

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

Frosted Flake posted:

lol I mean she was probably a collator or analyst. Some guys just get lucky, what can I say?

Alas

Lmoa

CongoJack
Nov 5, 2009

Ask Why, Asshole

Rutibex posted:

they blew up all the politics in the The Force Awakens with a big space laser. politics is boring grandpa :rolleyes:

Yea that sucked really bad. I agree with jettisoning all the EU stuff when Disney took over, but I think some of that could have been used to create a much more compelling version of Star Wars post Return compared to what they have done with those movies.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

luckily we got the last Jedi so one of the three was good

anyway the open racism towards griner in the American press is shocking even me

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

Dr Kool-AIDS posted:

Russia obviously doesn't care right now, but most countries have something to lose when it comes to their reputation for being safe to visit.

Griner would have been safe if she had followed Russian law. Are you saying Americans should be able to ignore the laws of their hosts?

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

CongoJack posted:

Yea that sucked really bad. I agree with jettisoning all the EU stuff when Disney took over, but I think some of that could have been used to create a much more compelling version of Star Wars post Return compared to what they have done with those movies.

Most of the stuff past the Thrawn trilogy was worth throwing out, they just didn't have anything to replace it with. Thrawn seems like he is going to turn up in the Disney+ shows.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Yes, for a weed laws definitely

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Dixon Chisholm posted:

Griner would have been safe if she had followed Russian law. Are you saying Americans should be able to ignore the laws of their hosts?

Admittedly they threw the book out at her, a regular tourist would have either just have it confiscated or just be deported on the next flight. In general, Russian cops/border patrol prefer not to arrest foreigners because it is simply too much hassle.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Ardennes posted:

Most of the stuff past the Thrawn trilogy was worth throwing out, they just didn't have anything to replace it with. Thrawn seems like he is going to turn up in the Disney+ shows.

Yeah, he was already in "Rebels." Hopefully he will show up in more things too.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Majorian posted:

Oh yeah, uh, in terms of stuff relating to the thread's topic, Bakhmut is apparently still happening:

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1600625494008991744

But I was reliably informed Russia was too casualty adverse and incompetent to attempt a breakthrough??

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin

Corky Romanovsky posted:

at some point you need to stop blaming the British,

:wrong:

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Best Friends posted:

reading the dudes bio there’s zero chance he’s an intelligence officer but “court martialed enlisted marine and itinerant cop with collection of nationalities suddenly becomes chief corporate officer for vague company with inexplicable duties in Russia” sure raises red flags for an agent (disposable guy being ran by intelligence officers).

But there’s totally a type of guy who likes to imply he’s some sort of secret baddass while absolutely not being one and cop/marine reservist triggers those flags as well.

who knows

Big True Lies energy.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

can we move on from Star Wars to video games?

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

euphronius posted:

Yes, for a weed laws definitely


Ardennes posted:

Admittedly they threw the book out at her, a regular tourist would have either just have it confiscated or just be deported on the next flight. In general, Russian cops/border patrol prefer not to arrest foreigners because it is simply too much hassle.

Jeez, guys, leave some bait on the hook...

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

mawarannahr posted:

can we move on from Star Wars to video games?

We're on True Lies now.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Dixon Chisholm posted:

Jeez, guys, leave some bait on the hook...

I wanted to talk about how tourists are normally treated.

Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat
That GameCube star wars spaceship game was pretty good.

A Bakers Cousin
Dec 18, 2003

by vyelkin
Basketballs for murdermalls

Cromulent_Chill
Apr 6, 2009

mawarannahr posted:

can we move on from Star Wars to video games?

Fallen Order: Survivor game play trailer due out today!

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

mawarannahr posted:

can we move on from Star Wars to video games?

Video games are even more dead than Star Wars

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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

CongoJack posted:

The prequels hit harder now that it is even more apparent that we, too, are in a dying system sliding towards authoritarian control due to the previous system being unwilling or unable to act appropriately to avert disaster. Even the supposed heroes of the story, the Jedi,

But that's the whole point of the jedi. Their whole big prophecy is about someone who will bring "balance" to the force and just make everything sit there as is without anything ever changing.

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