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Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Disco Pope posted:

I never quite "got" Red Scare - I had a bit of a Cumtown/Chapo phase and I don't think every leftist can or should be those guys, but I do think they were important against the backdrop of #imwithher and pastel Instagram infographics style politics and the rise of the Peterson of this world. Red Scare just seemed to be operating on a level of insularity and irony that I couldn't crack, just two people sarcastically going "yuuuuuuh" at each other.

I do think that the dirtbag left could have been something more - I think the aesthetics of the online left are typically a bit too cosy and smug for their own good, and I think we could do with more DaShareZ0nes and TeenageStepDads, but I'm not sure where to go after that that's a bit meatier. The crypto bros who are depressed about working two poo poo jobs and striking out on Tinder aren't going to flip over Mark Fisher or David Graeber.

The Chapo dudes and those of their ilk actually sincerely participated in the Bernie campaign, DSA, Justice Dems.

And the crushing and salting of any impact of those groups probably contribute to your feeling of irrelevancy.

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Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


Shageletic posted:

Eh disagree. Criticism of liberals from a leftist perspective is different than whatever the hell glenn is, as you point out, comes from a libertarian backgrounds.

Liberals are terrible and one of the things they make terrible is that they narrow permissible avenues of political discussion to them and the fascists.

Oh, no arguments with this.

It doesn't help that there are those in the first paragraph who deliberately obfuscate their position as being leftist, tho.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

True, true.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The thing about liberalism is that it’s incompatible with any other political position, so fascists will sound like leftists when they diagnose the problems with liberalism. You have to listen to the causes and solutions they suggest in order to realize what’s going on.

Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

I stumbled ass-backwards into a comfortable, easy life for reasons beyond my comprehension and now I think I'm better than you for it.
I simply don't listen to fascists and get aggressively confrontational with them instead

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.
so whats jorp upset about these days? other then murdered native women getting recognition for justice and trans men getting mastectomies.

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Another Bill posted:

I simply don't listen to fascists and get aggressively confrontational with them instead




Problem is that it's become very fashionable of late for fascists to disguise themselves as something else so often you have no choice but to analyze their talking points.
Case in point:Jorp.

Disco Pope
Dec 6, 2004

Top Class!

Another Bill posted:

I simply don't listen to fascists and get aggressively confrontational with them instead

You raise a good point, which for me at least, is that I don't really know any fascists because I cut them off pretty fast. I do know several struggling guys who take up MMA and post "inspirational" videos with quotes from Peterson over photos of lions and swelling library piano music. Some of them pull-up and some of them get into toxic poo poo and I boot them (these are mostly acquaintances at best, maybe guys from school or three jobs back, that kind of thing). Generally, I have sympathy for them at first, because they're lost and grabbing at what seems like answers and sometimes they're able to apply critical thinking.

Out of acquaintances, the ones who get hosed off with me tend to be the nose ring and dungaree teachers with craft-beer and beard "handsome men" boyfriends i met when I played roller derby when I'll share slides about how some pees are also poos who seem really into the aesthetics and language of social justice, without the actual social justice part.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)



Dapper_Swindler posted:

so whats jorp upset about these days? other then murdered native women getting recognition for justice and trans men getting mastectomies.

being alive and jorp

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Disco Pope posted:

You raise a good point, which for me at least, is that I don't really know any fascists because I cut them off pretty fast. I do know several struggling guys who take up MMA and post "inspirational" videos with quotes from Peterson over photos of lions and swelling library piano music. Some of them pull-up and some of them get into toxic poo poo and I boot them (these are mostly acquaintances at best, maybe guys from school or three jobs back, that kind of thing). Generally, I have sympathy for them at first, because they're lost and grabbing at what seems like answers and sometimes they're able to apply critical thinking.

Out of acquaintances, the ones who get hosed off with me tend to be the nose ring and dungaree teachers with craft-beer and beard "handsome men" boyfriends i met when I played roller derby when I'll share slides about how some pees are also poos who seem really into the aesthetics and language of social justice, without the actual social justice part.

lovely people of all kinds will adopt the aesthetics and language of what they see as a socially accepted 'good cause' and even learn to parrot some rhetoric but not really apply it or think about it beyond required to browbeat people into accepting their shittyness, and can sometimes get away with it for a very long time. Geek Social Fallacies don't just apply to geeks, basically.

Fascists are a bit of a funny case here given literally their entire movement is built around this, the aesthetics and language are the point in themselves, and their actual beliefs are literally just that they should be justified in being the shittiest possible person, dressed up in endless meaningless rhetoric.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

lovely people of all kinds will adopt the aesthetics and language of what they see as a socially accepted 'good cause' and even learn to parrot some rhetoric but not really apply it or think about it beyond required to browbeat people into accepting their shittyness, and can sometimes get away with it for a very long time. Geek Social Fallacies don't just apply to geeks, basically.

Fascists are a bit of a funny case here given literally their entire movement is built around this, the aesthetics and language are the point in themselves, and their actual beliefs are literally just that they should be justified in being the shittiest possible person, dressed up in endless meaningless rhetoric.

they are also extreamly shallow too. like facists love to crow about western art and culture but their interest starts and ends with the renaissance and that it and not even like interesting poo poo like Caravaggio

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

When I want to relax, I read an essay by Engels. When I want something more serious, I read Corto Maltese.


Dapper_Swindler posted:

they are also extreamly shallow too. like facists love to crow about western art and culture but their interest starts and ends with the renaissance and that it and not even like interesting poo poo like Caravaggio

I know that there are some fascists who lambast the shallowness and hedonism of modern-day culture, but their grasp of what actual culture IS is less than... I don't know, Real Housewives? Is that still a show?

They confuse dislike with critique.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Samovar posted:

I know that there are some fascists who lambast the shallowness and hedonism of modern-day culture, but their grasp of what actual culture IS is less than... I don't know, Real Housewives? Is that still a show?

They confuse dislike with critique.

It's pretty much all projection. See also how modern fascists in particular are completely obsessed with pornography, and believe it shows the hidden truths of the world.

The Fattest PI
Mar 4, 2008

Forgall posted:

Lmao, they got entire subforum on here.

The "left" who praise putin, yetlambaste ukraine for having fake elections, brutal dictatorship and violence towards minorities.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


Nice of Jorp to run interference for the uwu smol beans Israelis.

https://twitter.com/MintPressNews/status/1600172488461549568?t=clzKUXgS_FtfdSHVsY0KhQ&s=19

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Of course the strongest man in Israel is interviewing for the brokebrain dipshit who anti-Semites love.
It's not like we actually have any principles, should I start working on mastering circuitous bloated arguments that lead nowhere and then bursting to tears?

Butterwagon
Mar 21, 2010

Lookit that stupid ass-hole!
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1600330418699411457



I'm the sadistic Machiavellian psychopath and narcissist

Butterwagon fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Dec 8, 2022

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



read a different book

By popular demand
Jul 17, 2007

IT *BZZT* WASP ME--
IT WASP ME ALL *BZZT* ALONG!


Mods change my name to Lulz-Seeking Dementor TIA

Powerful Katrinka
Oct 11, 2021

an admin fat fingered a permaban and all i got was this lousy av
It's hilarious but also really weird that he keeps absolutely losing his mind over people trolling him with "lol." Maybe it's giving him flashbacks to getting his office door glued shut

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



i wanna be "the true danger of virtualisation"

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN
And yet he's silent in his critique of Kek-seekers

ben shapino
Nov 22, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1594517100839960578

so funny elon now please ban the thousands of people calling me "benzo the clown" in my replies thank you oh wise and funny great sir

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel
Holy poo poo, elon left that tweet up? lol

ben shapino
Nov 22, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

Pennywise the Frown posted:

Holy poo poo, elon left that tweet up? lol

it got a million likes, of course he kept it up.



127k likes for tonguing the worlds richest man's rear end in a top hat lmao

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

ben shapino posted:

it got a million likes, of course he kept it up.



127k likes for tonguing the worlds richest man's rear end in a top hat lmao

gross



this is my expression... but with more of a frown and look of disappointment.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.

Ghostlight posted:

i wanna be "the true danger of virtualisation"

I always knew Citrix was going to gently caress me over in the end!

(This joke brought to you by the Thick Clients gang)

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

Ghostlight posted:

read a different book

Doubt he has, he just heard the word and likes it because it sounds nice to his benzo addled brain

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost
Someone dress up as a Troll Demon and stomp around his house in the night yelling about marxist feminism so we can finally get this over with.

Hello Sailor
May 3, 2006

we're all mad here

The Butcher posted:

Someone dress up as a Troll Demon and stomp around his house in the night yelling about marxist feminism so we can finally get this over with.

and risk walking in on daddy-daughter time? no loving thanks

Powerful Katrinka
Oct 11, 2021

an admin fat fingered a permaban and all i got was this lousy av
Imagine the psychic damage you could do to Peterson by having him gangstalked by people who literally do nothing but reply "lol" to everything he says

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH
It's hard to imagine because it's all too real like how do you get a gangstalking going of something that just happens naturally

Mister Speaker
May 8, 2007

WE WILL CONTROL
ALL THAT YOU SEE
AND HEAR
Think I mentioned this ITT before, but I was surprised to learn Jorp lives close to my neighbourhood (he's somewhere near Christie Pits). I always figured he had some McMansion in 'Sauga.

I would love to antagonize him in person. Especially with a nice fakeout; *gasp* "Doctor Peterson! ... You SUCK!!!"

Honestly though I doubt he ever leaves his house.

J.A.B.C.
Jul 2, 2007

There's no need to rush to be an adult.


Dye my hair pink, spike it up as high as I can, and just stand outside his house reading Das Kapital until he cries.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Mister Speaker posted:

Think I mentioned this ITT before, but I was surprised to learn Jorp lives close to my neighbourhood (he's somewhere near Christie Pits). I always figured he had some McMansion in 'Sauga.

Are you kidding? He is the alpha and omega of Annex-dwelling U of T elite.

Butterwagon
Mar 21, 2010

Lookit that stupid ass-hole!
Make sense of LULz

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1600915113959358464

The Butcher
Apr 20, 2005

Well, at least we tried.
Nap Ghost

Butterwagon posted:

outright sadism is now included in the dark constellation of personality traits associated with trolling.

Why are you trying to sell me on this so hard Jorp?

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

So... he's just batshit insane now right? I mean like off the deep end and needs some serious help.

dark constellation is a great username though, or a band name

Batterypowered7
Aug 8, 2009

The mist that chills you keeps me warm.

Mister Speaker posted:

Think I mentioned this ITT before, but I was surprised to learn Jorp lives close to my neighbourhood (he's somewhere near Christie Pits). I always figured he had some McMansion in 'Sauga.

I would love to antagonize him in person. Especially with a nice fakeout; *gasp* "Doctor Peterson! ... You SUCK!!!"

Honestly though I doubt he ever leaves his house.

Please just leave some dog turds in his mailbox.

E:

Do not actually do this.

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ryde
Sep 9, 2011

God I love young girls
somehow hes gotten even more ponderous with his speech.

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