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There will be a press conference revealing all the details the Boy in the Box Thursday morning.
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Re: Rosemary Kennedychristmas boots posted:She allegedly did have some developmental issues (according to her school, she was reading and writing at a 4th-grade level when she was 15), possibly due to some complications from her birth. Still, IIRC there's been some skepticism, and nothing justifies the lobotomy. Worse than that, she may have just been average, which for a politically ambitious family on the make was just as bad.
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Dec 7, 2022 04:26
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christmas boots posted:She allegedly did have some developmental issues (according to her school, she was reading and writing at a 4th-grade level when she was 15), possibly due to some complications from her birth. Still, IIRC there's been some skepticism, and nothing justifies the lobotomy. Fighting Trousers posted:Worse than that, she may have just been average, which for a politically ambitious family on the make was just as bad. These points make me wonder how the hell they thought a lobotomy would have helped.
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Dec 8, 2022 01:10
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YeahTubaMike posted:These points make me wonder how the hell they thought a lobotomy would have helped. Cut away enough brain and the person becomes calm and placid and never makes trouble. They can be tucked away somewhere and forgotten.
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Dec 8, 2022 01:54
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originally when it was being used for people with severe illness, I'm sure from the outside someone staring out a window peacefully looks like a big upgrade from untreated psychosis. wasn't there an american doctor who really expanded its use though to other "minor" issues? Or am I misremembering?
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Dec 8, 2022 02:05
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my great aunt had her brain futzed with one too many times in the 40s-50s in college, and did not end well! Wildly enough she died like a few weeks ago, outliving all of her siblings, I think. The only memory I have of said great aunt is her chasing my then 5 year old sister around at my grandmothers wake.
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Dec 8, 2022 02:23
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FishBulbia posted:
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Dec 8, 2022 03:15
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Those kind of early to mid 20th century doctors are about the worst mix of old-timey doctors being an expensive way to die slightly slower, friggin wild west mad scientist era eagerness to test their new procedures on anyone offered to them, private practitioners willing to do anything if they're paid enough, and awfully modern 'You should try this fancy new drug that everyone's talking about!" Also given gender roles back then combined with medical ideas they probably thought literal brain damage would create an ideal Stepford Wife.
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Dec 8, 2022 14:02
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Shrecknet posted:it's so much worse than you think (link to Goon Robert Evans podcast Behind the Bastards) holy loving poo poo, the journalist describing the conference where he would lobotomize people before an audience actually made me nauseated and I'm usually fine with medical history and gore. this could be a horror movie.
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Dec 8, 2022 20:40
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FishBulbia posted:originally when it was being used for people with severe illness, I'm sure from the outside someone staring out a window peacefully looks like a big upgrade from untreated psychosis. Yeah, turns out humans are a lot less active after you erase their ability to be a person anymore. The procedure first gained traction because it made the jobs of the mental health professionals easier, the patient's wellbeing was not a concern.
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Dec 8, 2022 21:09
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Acute Grill posted:Yeah, turns out humans are a lot less active after you erase their ability to be a person anymore. The procedure first gained traction because it made the jobs of the mental health professionals easier, the patient's wellbeing was not a concern. I also always forget that this was happening basically until Thorazine, and not in the 1890s.
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Dec 8, 2022 21:14
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As my psychology professor put it, they used to prescribe lobotomy for breathing too hard.
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Dec 8, 2022 22:55
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RC and Moon Pie posted:There will be a press conference revealing all the details the Boy in the Box Thursday morning. Joseph Augustus Zarelli. https://6abc.com/boy-in-the-box-identified-philadelphia-cold-case-watch-news-conference-live-name/12544392/ Parents are both dead, but he's lot living siblings. And there's no statute of limitations on murder in PA. This part of the article bugs the poo poo out of me, though, gotta get the obligatory psychic woo in there: quote:Kym Durham is a psychic medium in South Jersey. She has assisted law enforcement in missing persons and homicide cases. Her gift, as she describes it, was passed down from her mother, internationally renowned psychic medium Joan Friel Durham....Independent of each other, both Bill Kelly and Joan Durham gave a name to the victim. Kelly called him Jonathan; Durham called him Johnny. Imagine that. Two entirely different people guessed that this kid had one of the most common names in the US.
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Dec 9, 2022 03:46
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He's not even loving called Johnny. Poor little mite.
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Dec 9, 2022 03:55
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I can understand not wanting to disturb the living family members, who are probably nieces/nephews or great nieces/nephews who don’t know anything, but I’d like to know who the parents were and whether anyone at the time knew they had a kid who disappeared.
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Dec 9, 2022 04:01
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I AM GRANDO posted:I can understand not wanting to disturb the living family members, who are probably nieces/nephews or great nieces/nephews who don’t know anything, but I’d like to know who the parents were and whether anyone at the time knew they had a kid who disappeared. I can also understand keeping a very close watch on the living family members. Situations where a complete stranger abducts a kid and murders him are very rare.
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Dec 9, 2022 04:03
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I AM GRANDO posted:I can understand not wanting to disturb the living family members, who are probably nieces/nephews or great nieces/nephews who don’t know anything, but I’d like to know who the parents were and whether anyone at the time knew they had a kid who disappeared. There's bits coming out of Philadelphia Inquirer updates. Justin Thomas was one of the genealogy links used to identify Zarelli. He'd taken a DNA test for the heck of it. Philadelphia Inquirer posted:Thomas said his family believes that the boy is likely a first cousin to his mom. The last name of his mom’s uncle is “Zarelli.” His grandmother’s brother is a Zarelli. The Zarelli family lived in West Philadelphia before moving to Delaware County, he said. I have a feeling we'll get something from a relative, regardless of whether or not they knew of him. A lot of people can't resist a camera and my basic searches into some archives have shown there are more than a handful of Zarellis who have lived in Philadelphia. As for other people knowing at the time, I'm reminded of two episodes off the old Cold Case Files about kids who were alive when their siblings were murdered, but too young to have more than vague memory. - In one, workers found a child's body in a flower bed decades after her death. After figuring the likely family, they tracked down her brother. He barely remembered hearing her cry and so did a neighbor or two. Police got the mom to confess but she was on her deathbed, so nothing happened. - In the other, a young man got a question from a relative he hadn't seen since he was a toddler: How's your sister doing? What sister? was his initial reaction. Soon he began to remember a bit about having a twin sister. They eventually found her body, shoved into a suitcase mom kept hidden in their house and had moved with her a few times. IIRC in both cases, they tracked down school records to compare with birth records and found neither child had ever been enrolled.
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Dec 9, 2022 05:53
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If cave diving isn't hardcore enough for you, how abut diving inside an iceberg? https://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2019/09/20/jill-heinerth-cave-diving-antarctica
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Dec 18, 2022 19:49
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Fa la la la la Fu-uuuck that.
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Dec 19, 2022 01:26
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:If cave diving isn't hardcore enough for you, how abut diving inside an iceberg? “One dude could’ve died due to being a dumbass and letting his suit fill with ice-cold water to film some b-roll. After that, we could’ve died due to ice blocking the entrance, but we were so grateful to make it out alive and very aware of how close we came to the end. Then we could’ve died due to the current, and we were so grateful to make it out alive and very aware of how close we came to the end. Then we could’ve died due to the current again, and we were so grateful to make it out alive and very aware of how close we came to the end. Then we wanted to go back in but watched as the iceberg collapsed in upon itself. If we had been in there, we would’ve died, so we were so grateful to make it out alive and very aware of how close we came to the end.” Part of me gets very irked at people who live with so little actual strife or worry in their lives that they need to spend a few hundred thousand dollars to get a bit of mortal peril.
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Dec 21, 2022 17:03
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I assumed Roblox was like a kid-safe Second Life, but now I know it’s more like child labor, Baby’s First Stock Market Crash, and six-figure phishing scams. Inside Roblox’s Criminal Underworld, Where Kids Are Scamming Kids https://twitter.com/quinns108/status/1470387762784317440?s=46&t=MRjgvXvw7t3gydv5NT_Fww
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Dec 29, 2022 02:18
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Busket Posket posted:Part of me gets very irked at people who live with so little actual strife or worry in their lives that they need to spend a few hundred thousand dollars to get a bit of mortal peril. I always wonder what they were thinking. "It's all guesswork 130 feet under the Antarctic water getting swept into a glacier. How did we not anticipate any of this, OMG we almost died every time we went back there" I'm all for exploration and adventure, but think it through, people
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Dec 29, 2022 21:50
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a mysterious cloak posted:I always wonder what they were thinking. "It's all guesswork 130 feet under the Antarctic water getting swept into a glacier. How did we not anticipate any of this, OMG we almost died every time we went back there" Yes well now we know what it looks like inside an iceberg. Icy.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:00
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https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/satanic-kidnap-fake-claim-971587 This is probably old news to most of y'all but I just learned of it and it's cringe as all hell. Young evangelical man stages elaborate fake satanic kidnapping on girlfriend because she wants to save it for marriage and he is very, very horny.
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Dec 29, 2022 22:24
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That’s some kind of special horny. I found another article about it that includes some postscript to the story, sort of more focussed on Australia’s immigration system. He was deported to Germany after his sentence. Buchwald was born in Germany when his parents returned for an extended visit after immigrating to Australia and he had lived in Australia on a permanent resident visa from when he was one year old. Fair warning the author, John Silvester, writes like an old guy telling a roundabout yarn over a beer or three. It reads pretty much like one of his podcast episodes, there’s a lot of colour Nailed, bailed, jailed then derailed. The bush plot that cost a man his country
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Dec 30, 2022 16:03
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/satanic-kidnap-fake-claim-971587 I just want to point out that one of the charges he's facing is "kidnapping with intent to marry". It sounds kind of quaint if you separate it from what it actually is (kidnapping/trafficking and rape).
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Dec 30, 2022 22:39
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BrianRx posted:I just want to point out that one of the charges he's facing is "kidnapping with intent to marry". It sounds kind of quaint if you separate it from what it actually is (kidnapping/trafficking and rape).
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Dec 30, 2022 23:55
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honestly, as someone who has experienced sexual assault, a coerced marriage would have added insult to injury like, putting a legal entanglement on top of trauma is fuuuuuuucked up
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Dec 31, 2022 00:04
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Acute Grill posted:Yeah, turns out humans are a lot less active after you erase their ability to be a person anymore. The procedure first gained traction because it made the jobs of the mental health professionals easier, the patient's wellbeing was not a concern. Frontal lobotomies were a very effective and reliable method to reduce patient complaints of chronic pain. One of the papers that was involved in adopting them for chronic pain has some pretty hilarious problems, like going over an alternative treatment and saying 'we don't have any long term followup on this procedure'. I did the literature search, the doctor they complained about had already done a ten year followup on the treatment and specifically said 'you assholes wanted long term followups so here it is, patient is still cured of her pain'.
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Dec 31, 2022 01:14
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complaint: splinter in finger resolution: patient euthanized status: resolved
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SLOSifl posted:complaint: splinter in finger  frogs with no legs are deaf
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Dec 31, 2022 03:01
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Longform article about the junk forensic science of “911 call analysis” which is a really good read. It’s really concerning because it’s been refuted by everyone else who’s tried to research the same thing, the author refuses to share his data with anyone else, and it’s being used to prosecute people. There’s so many alarms that should be going off about this; the creator of 911 call analysis essentially posits everyone reacts the same way when calling 911 about a crime and if the caller says enough things wrong - according to a handy checklist - then they committed the crime. It doesn’t account for any biases based on people backgrounds, cultures, or anything at all. There is a definitive right way to make a 911 call, otherwise you’re guilty.  The article finds the 911 call analysis training has been built on a feedback loop of cops taking the course, providing praise for the training, praise repackaged in marketing to more cops, who take the course, ad infinitum. Absolutely nobody will take responsibility for introducing this into the justice system, it’s all either “we just rubber stamp” or “that’s someone else’s responsibility”. They Called 911 for Help. Police and Prosecutors Used a New Junk Science to Decide They Were Liars Propublica article posted:Tracy Harpster, a deputy police chief from suburban Dayton, Ohio, was hunting for praise. He had a business to promote: a miracle method to determine when 911 callers are actually guilty of the crimes they are reporting. “I know what a guilty father, mother or boyfriend sounds like,” he once said.
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Dec 31, 2022 04:21
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DRINK ME posted:Longform article about the junk forensic science of “911 call analysis” which is a really good read. It’s really concerning because it’s been refuted by everyone else who’s tried to research the same thing, the author refuses to share his data with anyone else, and it’s being used to prosecute people. I hate this so goddamn much. It’s the linguistics version of phrenology or ouija boards, and is/will be used as yet another tool to convict people who have any linguistic deviation from those setting these “standards” of guilt vs. innocence. “That person isn’t a native English speaker, and in frantically communicating with 911 during a horrifically traumatic event, they said ‘blood’ instead of ‘bleeding’! Get the rope!” “The caller was polite to the dispatcher?!? Tie rocks to her feet and grab a duck; we’re going to the lake!”
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Dec 31, 2022 08:14
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Busket Posket posted:I hate this so goddamn much. It’s the linguistics version of phrenology or ouija boards, and is/will be used as yet another tool to convict people who have any linguistic deviation from those setting these “standards” of guilt vs. innocence. Yeah, it's working as intended and designed.
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Dec 31, 2022 08:24
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It just shows how unbelievably loving stupid and thoughtless the US policing-justice complex is. The Hobbesian state is given a monopoly of violence, and so its agents are able to ruin your day, or year, or life. And the agents instead of respecting this power, revel in it and treat is as their plaything, using nonsensical training and metrics to justify their laziness and cruelty.
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Dec 31, 2022 11:14
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It's very well thought out because a huge portion of the country thinks they aren't only doing great, they're outright heroes! It's the incredible power of a PR and media spin machine that makes it so our brand of arbitrary and monstrous justice is celebrated while being barely any better than the poo poo you'd find in any despised dictatorship. That's by design, and a lot of effort is spent doing their damnedest to keep it that way even while SWAT teams flashbang babies in cribs while raiding the wrong house for non-violent drug offenders, or we execute innocent people who were convicted on the loosest evidence 40+ years ago. It's heinous.
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I'm on vacation
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Happy New Year, Morbid Curiosity Goons  Post-Roe America has returned to 1935, where well-to-do women had their private doctors prescribe them some ulcer pills and bedrest while everyone else either had their 11th kid or mutilated/poisoned themselves trying to end a pregnancy. Except now, doctors will also avoid treating a pregnant person who wants to keep the baby, because if a spontaneous miscarriage occurs under their watch, they’re hosed. Bleeding and in pain, she couldn't get 2 Louisiana ERs to answer: Is it a miscarriage? When Kaitlyn Joshua found out she was pregnant in mid-August, she and her husband, Landon Joshua, were excited to have a second baby on the way. They have a 4-year-old daughter, and thought that was just the right age to help out with a younger sibling. At about six weeks pregnant, Joshua, 30, called a physicians' group in Baton Rouge. She wanted to make her first prenatal appointment there for around the eight-week mark, as she had in her first pregnancy. But Joshua says the woman on the line told her she was going to have to wait over a month. "They specifically said, 'We now no longer see women until they're at least 12 weeks,'" Joshua recalls. "And I said, 'Oh Lord. Is this because of what I think? And they said, 'Yes.'” … Joshua remembers her saying that many women miscarry in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, and they didn't want to be liable for an investigation.” And with doctors shying away from providing care, “crisis pregnancy centers” are flourishing again: How a Florida anti-abortion center claimed to be a medical clinic In the most serious accusation against her, Henderson told yet another woman that “the baby was stuck” in her fallopian tube, a potentially catastrophic complication known as an ectopic pregnancy. If not treated immediately, the condition can lead to massive hemorrhaging and, sometimes, the mother’s death. But Henderson allegedly advised the woman to “relax at the beach” and come back in a few days. … Henderson, then in her early 70s, wasn’t a “cancer doctor,” as she allegedly informed one client, or indeed any type of licensed medical professional. Her only medical experience was as a radiation therapy technologist, and her license had expired 10 years earlier. Nor was there a doctor on hand to review the ultrasound images Henderson took, as is considered best practice by mainstream medical organizations and the pregnancy center industry itself.
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What a loving nightmare. Thanks for sharing, that was a good if disheartening read.
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Holy poo poo this case: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/03/eleanor-williams-lied-grooming-gang-guilty-perverting-justice The highlight has to be beating herself in the face with a claw hammer.
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