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Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Aoi posted:

It's almost like national prestige projects don't always denote, or result in, a more broadly based level of capacity or advancement in other areas of society, particularly in extremely segregated and wealth-disparate authoritarian ones.

Yeah, I read the CSPAM thread too.

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ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe

RoastBeef posted:

It's from the Cyberpunk 2077 video game.

I'm honestly impressed you recognized that.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


ninjoatse.cx posted:

I'm honestly impressed you recognized that.

It's one of the cooler guns in the game and has a very memorable unique variant.

PITY BONER
Oct 18, 2021

Grand Fromage posted:

China doesn't even have functional cold chains for transporting food,
This just reminded me of a China memory. When the temperature got to 60 degrees (15 celsius), all the mom and pop shops/markets turned off the refrigerators and freezers because they felt cold and thought that was cold enough to keep the food safe without needing to pay for refrigeration.

Shumagorath
Jun 6, 2001

Grand Fromage posted:

It's one of the cooler guns in the game and has a very memorable unique variant.
Isn’t it also the Chinese brand (Kang Tao)?

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Forceholy posted:

Yeah, I read the CSPAM thread too.

First time I've ever seen anyone associate CSPAM with prestige.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Shumagorath posted:

Isn’t it also the Chinese brand (Kang Tao)?

No, it's an Arasaka. Kang Tao makes the Dian and a couple other ones.

PITY BONER posted:

This just reminded me of a China memory. When the temperature got to 60 degrees (15 celsius), all the mom and pop shops/markets turned off the refrigerators and freezers because they felt cold and thought that was cold enough to keep the food safe without needing to pay for refrigeration.

This is also why you never eat at fancy restaurants with big menus. You 100% are going to get sick from the unrefrigerated food since it's not like they're making all 200 things on the menu fresh every day.

Little places with more limited menus keep the product moving so your meat's only been sitting out unrefrigerated for like one day. No big deal.

Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Dec 9, 2022

ninjoatse.cx
Apr 9, 2005

Fun Shoe
There was so much loot trash in that game that they all just kinda blended together.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

ninjoatse.cx posted:

There was so much loot trash in that game that they all just kinda blended together.

>Commentary on the hypercommercialisation and corporate takeover of society involves a lot of dystopic consumer trash.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

PITY BONER posted:

This just reminded me of a China memory. When the temperature got to 60 degrees (15 celsius), all the mom and pop shops/markets turned off the refrigerators and freezers because they felt cold and thought that was cold enough to keep the food safe without needing to pay for refrigeration.

I remember even on hot humid days in Fuzhou during summer, these little milk bars etc. would have their fridges turned off.

So when you went in to buy a nice cold refreshing drink, instead you got a bottle of luke warm probably from a tap water.

Lavatein
May 5, 2009
Anecdotally, things are looking pretty bad in Beijing! Within the last couple of days 5 people I know have become sick or positive and the vibe is everyone's just kind of assuming that they're about to get infected.

Entertainment venues are all ostensibly open as of today as long as you have a test result within 48 hours, however all of the old testing sites have been closed down within the last 2 weeks or so, leaving a lot of people unsure where to go (online information about testing sites is all outdated of course). Some new stations have cropped up inside residential compounds but they appear to be run very poorly. Lots of reports of test results not coming through, and a bunch of people including myself just got a text message saying that local test samples have all been mixed up so they can't give any results.

yaffle
Sep 15, 2002

Flapdoodle

Lavatein posted:

Anecdotally, things are looking pretty bad in Beijing! Within the last couple of days 5 people I know have become sick or positive and the vibe is everyone's just kind of assuming that they're about to get infected.

Entertainment venues are all ostensibly open as of today as long as you have a test result within 48 hours, however all of the old testing sites have been closed down within the last 2 weeks or so, leaving a lot of people unsure where to go (online information about testing sites is all outdated of course). Some new stations have cropped up inside residential compounds but they appear to be run very poorly. Lots of reports of test results not coming through, and a bunch of people including myself just got a text message saying that local test samples have all been mixed up so they can't give any results.

Yeah, a bunch of people I know have it, I'm just waiting really.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

So did the CCP just get spooked by the protests or is it some kind of 'see how you all suffer without the loving protection of the Party' scheme?

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Strategic Tea posted:

So did the CCP just get spooked by the protests or is it some kind of 'see how you all suffer without the loving protection of the Party' scheme?

Whole bunch of theories, but given how quickly everything is going to poo poo, my personal leading contender as of right now would be "they saw The Big One coming and wanted to make it look deliberate rather than a failure."

As in, given popular mood, they didn't think they could get away with what would have been needed to contain the current surge, so they didn't try.

Anyway, everything is about to be hosed.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Be safe, China friends

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

ronya posted:

Impressively blunt, if true.

https://twitter.com/fbermingham/status/1598619079316733954

and some Xilosophy to chew on:

https://twitter.com/liqian_ren/status/1598543226813575169

Don't call it triangulation...

there's a kind of thinking in Leninist skepticism of bourgeois civil society that civil society can't be trusted for the specific reason that it's self-serving interests

by that argument, if you brutally crush protesters on the regular and then people with options protest anyway, and there's no perceived self-serving interest (like foreign sponsorship) or intrinsically delegitimizing goals (like outright rejections of the overall rightness of the party), then it's a bona fide protest

this kind of thinking rationalizes putting petitioners through degrees of ungentle handling on the regular

PITY BONER
Oct 18, 2021

Lavatein posted:

Some new stations have cropped up inside residential compounds but they appear to be run very poorly. Lots of reports of test results not coming through, and a bunch of people including myself just got a text message saying that local test samples have all been mixed up so they can't give any results.
I've seen anecdotes that foreigners who are required to test X number of times per week to be able to teach aren't able to find a place to get tests, or are having their results delayed until past the date of when they need to test again. I'm guessing Chinese in different jobs that have such requirements are handwaving it away right now, but foreigners will always get the short straw in this case.

ninjoatse.cx posted:

There was so much loot trash in that game that they all just kinda blended together.
That's what made it more fun for me once I got over my "paradox of choice" issues. Initially, I just stuck to the same three weapons for my entire first playthrough. A year later, when I came back to play again, I decided to try everything I picked up. Choosing a few fun weapons and then resetting my perks to better match using those weapons made them even better. I did this over and over with a bunch of different weapons and skills. I was finally able to understand how specific character builds work, especially after using Cyber Engine Tweaks to give myself unlimited money so I could reset my perks over and over to experiment with builds.

maxwellhill
Jan 5, 2022

yaffle posted:

Yeah, a bunch of people I know have it, I'm just waiting really.

Don't accept your whole body getting trashed for no reason; now is the time to put on an N95 mask and keep it on when in all air that anybody breathed into. A huge chunk of the people online who do this diligently have still never had COVID despite swimming in it all day or even living with it. It's worth it. Your body's long term is more important than what peers do or think; you can get more of those but only get one body ever.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

https://twitter.com/Franspeech/stat...%3D1655lastpost

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

please spread the idea that Disney/James Cameron himself started the protests in china to ensure avatar was released there

Scam Likely
Feb 19, 2021

Herstory Begins Now posted:

Is this a chinese thing? I used to see dudes doing this a ton in nicaragua but never asked what the story behind it was

it's definitely a look

I've heard it referred to as the "Beijing Bikini"

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

yaffle posted:

Yeah, a bunch of people I know have it, I'm just waiting really.

Also an anecdote, but 2 of my 3 friends in China have sent me DMs just today saying they've tested positive.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Scam Likely posted:

I've heard it referred to as the "Beijing Bikini"

There is a nontrivial body of lore in China regarding the bellybutton, its needs, preferences, precautions, and maintenance.

This is not a joke.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


Conspiracy theorists accused China of underreporting COVID cases/deaths in 2020 to hide the severity of the situation from the rest of the world, when the reality is that China is going to underreport COVID cases/deaths in 2023 to hide the severity of the situation from its own people.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

drat, we really DO live in a society...

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Atopian posted:

There is a nontrivial body of lore in China regarding the bellybutton, its needs, preferences, precautions, and maintenance.

This is not a joke.

just take your shirt off in a thunderstorm and raijin will steal it from you bam no mo bellybutton problems

PITY BONER
Oct 18, 2021

Porfiriato posted:

Conspiracy theorists accused China of underreporting COVID cases/deaths in 2020 to hide the severity of the situation from the rest of the world, when the reality is that China is going to underreport COVID cases/deaths in 2023 to hide the severity of the situation from its own people.
India had 4-5 million excess deaths when Delta got them. The wave came on fast and strong and left the country unprepared for the sheer numbers of people that got sick. Hospitals ran out of oxygen, medicine, beds, doctors, nurses, everything. People were dying in parking lots outside hospitals, and temporary crematoriums/burning grounds had to be made to deal with the incredible amount of bodies. The videos coming out of India were heartbreaking.

I think the CCP will lie, as usual, but videos will slip out despite censorship. We'll probably never get good data out of this coming wave (some are expecting a "tsunami" of cases, rather than a wave), but I think our best bet will be seeing videos from hospitals. The hospital system before the pandemic was a mess, not to mention everyone running to the hospital for the sniffles and taking up space and getting IVs and what not. I heard OTC medicine is already being panic purchased countrywide. This is going to be a total mess.

maxwellhill posted:

Don't accept your whole body getting trashed for no reason; now is the time to put on an N95 mask and keep it on when in all air that anybody breathed into.
:agreed: I used to wear N95s when pollution got bad in China, sometimes having to sleep in them to prevent throat or nasal infections from it. I'm in Auras every day in the US. Goon in China, get some 3M N95s (not fashion KN95s sold everywhere). Try to find the ones with the head straps because the ear strap ones don't give as good of a seal and they are also ear killers.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Yeah I used the same 3M respirator for pollution in China as I do when I go to the store in the US. Though over time I used it less and less in China since it was kind of pointless, the windows are all open at work, there's no air filter, and I can't teach with it on so I'm just breathing poo poo all day anyway. At least I had my apartment sealed up as best as possible and had air filters running all the time.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Atopian posted:

There is a nontrivial body of lore in China regarding the bellybutton, its needs, preferences, precautions, and maintenance.

This is not a joke.

For example, if you leave your belly button exposed at the wrong time the wind will go into it and then into your bones, which gives you arthritis.

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Grand Fromage posted:

Yeah I used the same 3M respirator for pollution in China as I do when I go to the store in the US. Though over time I used it less and less in China since it was kind of pointless, the windows are all open at work, there's no air filter, and I can't teach with it on so I'm just breathing poo poo all day anyway. At least I had my apartment sealed up as best as possible and had air filters running all the time.

On this point, I have been in Japan, teaching, since March this year, and I have to wear a mask pretty much everywhere and all the time.

Including when in the classroom teaching. All the kids are wearing masks too, (I teach both JHS and ES, and even the Elementary School kids are masked up.) So you can teach whilst masked.

Of course these masks are COVID related, and you have to wear them in Japan, (the government rules are always changing, but the rule of politeness requires you to be fully masked up inside when you are around people). As opposed to China, probably a few years back pre-plague times when you were wearing your anti-pollution mask in a school that was probably telling you to take it off so the kids could see your face.

But my point is ... I dunno. But I'm not contradicting you, just wanted to say that you can teach masked without any real hassle, and I am currently and have been doing so for almost the last year.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

BrigadierSensible posted:

But my point is ... I dunno. But I'm not contradicting you, just wanted to say that you can teach masked without any real hassle, and I am currently and have been doing so for almost the last year.

I think the key point is, you are talking about (disposable) masks, and he is talking about a (reusable) respirator.

I've been teaching asked for a while now, with no problems beyond annoyanc. I've also got a respirator, but because it lacks a speaking membrane, I'm probably not going to be able to use it that way.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


It is not possible to make yourself understood to a classroom wearing the respirator I have. I have to nearly scream just for someone right in front of me to hear me.

This thing:

Comfortable and works great. Unless you need to talk to someone.

Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Dec 10, 2022

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Grand Fromage posted:

It is not possible to make yourself understood to a classroom wearing the respirator I have. I have to nearly scream just for someone right in front of me to hear me.

Fair nuff. Yeah I was talking about paper/cloth/etc. masks as opposed to respirators.

Sorry.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


BrigadierSensible posted:

Fair nuff. Yeah I was talking about paper/cloth/etc. masks as opposed to respirators.

Sorry.

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maxwellhill
Jan 5, 2022
If you have those cartridges, the 7093 filters are superior for the application - smaller, lighter for comfort, don't degrade chemically over time, splashproof, cheaper. And most importantly, have a hidden seal check feature (if you compress the whole case with your hand) which is arguably the most important feature of a respirator since it helps keep trained in what an airtight seal feels like.

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Unlike with a KN95, the straps belong nowhere near your ears. It sounds like your plastic halo piece was adjusted to the wrong size for your head. Fixable

maxwellhill fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Dec 10, 2022

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

Grand Fromage posted:

It is not possible to make yourself understood to a classroom wearing the respirator I have. I have to nearly scream just for someone right in front of me to hear me.

This thing:

Comfortable and works great. Unless you need to talk to someone.

I've tried to teach wearing one of those things during one of the California wildfires, can confirm that it's basically impossible to teach while wearing them. I dunno if I'd call it comfortable, though, those things dig the hell out of my ears after a few hours.

god please help me
Jul 9, 2018
I LOVE GIVING MY TAX MONEY AND MY PERSONAL INCOME TO UKRAINE, SLAVA
Where can I buy those masks from? I'm going to take a plane trip, and I know someone is going to share some rona with everyone on board.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I just do a seal check by covering the cartridges with my palms, works fine.

god please help me posted:

Where can I buy those masks from? I'm going to take a plane trip, and I know someone is going to share some rona with everyone on board.

You can get them on Amazon or any like DIY building supply store will have them. Lowe's, Home Depot, Menards, whatever.

If I were buying a new one I'd prob get the secureclick: https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/respiratory-protection-us/products/secure-click-respirators/

Seems easier to deal with (the cartridges pull air from both sides for more comfortable breathing) plus it has a speaking diaphragm and built in seal check button. It's a bit more expensive, but if you're just using it for covid protection you don't have to swap the cartridges for a long time. They don't get gunked up like if it's protecting you against paint fumes or coal ash or whatever.

Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Dec 10, 2022

maxwellhill
Jan 5, 2022
Counterfeit cartridges have been discovered on Amazon, and even official sellers have their products binned together with others at the Amazon warehouse. It's much better and equally cheap to use the websites of big 3M wholesalers such as Zoro.com, Grainger.com, Maxwell Products, etc.

Start with a model like a 3M 7502 (7501 if your face is very small, 7503 if it's enormous). Being silicone makes it only a couple bucks extra and it will seal airtight much more reliably, more comfortably, and not prone to the rubber changing over time.

So again, 7500 series mask (30 bucks or so), 7093 series cartridges (each pair can be reused daily for months), and some glasses since your eyes have ACE2 receptors as well.

e: I recommend this mask over the 3M's "secure click" model above, because this is far lighter for neck muscle strain, also silicone, fits sane common standard cartridges unlike the secure click, and also the secure click's speech diaphragm is very underwhelming in its benefits, projecting sound that's barely higher quality than this, or not even better than a lovely GVS ellipse respirator which has no diaphragm.

edit 2: If anyone wants a 20% off coupon code for Zoro.com you can have one: NW120BK641L1

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maxwellhill fucked around with this message at 04:02 on Dec 10, 2022

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Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Tomn posted:

I've tried to teach wearing one of those things during one of the California wildfires, can confirm that it's basically impossible to teach while wearing them. I dunno if I'd call it comfortable, though, those things dig the hell out of my ears after a few hours.

Replace the chunky hand microphone with one of those super slim ones that tape to your face like singers wear when performing.

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