[Asia/Oceania] Yellen says she hopes China wont mount retaliation against any steps Washington takes

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Ardennes: May 12, 2002

indigi posted:

yeah but opening up and making people work with covid during outbreaks isn't economically positive either as we've seen from economies in the West, and since they're dismantling mandatory and free testing it is going to spike transmission insanely high

Initially during the outbreak it wasn't but as time as gone on, it hasn't been as impactful and there are other control measures despite mandatory testing.

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# ? May 26, 2024 09:31

Hubbert: Mar 25, 2007; At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

nigel thornberry posted:

fine cspam covid thread is correct a plurality of the time. that’s more than can be said if most goons. is my language sufficiently correct for your liking yet? please expound you intellectual titans of the boards

sir we only accept Xi Jinping Thought here

# ? Dec 10, 2022 19:44

wynott dunn: Aug 9, 2006; What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

don�t be fooled by his spinning bowtie

# ? Dec 10, 2022 19:50

Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

If the party says open er up then it must be correct.

# ? Dec 10, 2022 19:51

nigel thornberry: Jul 29, 2013

chinas not going get hit hard! they have NPIs!

meanwhile, in China:

https://twitter.com/lukegilesadl/status/1601084757013827590?s=21&t=o2EJe5KadwvyDdLP8vRu8Q

# ? Dec 10, 2022 20:05

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

oh no

# ? Dec 10, 2022 20:12

Comrade Koba: Jul 2, 2007

exmarx posted:

americans shouldn't post

been saying this for years

# ? Dec 10, 2022 20:20

Kassad: Nov 12, 2005; It's about time.

nigel thornberry posted:

chinas not going get hit hard! they have NPIs!

meanwhile, in China:

https://twitter.com/lukegilesadl/status/1601084757013827590?s=21&t=o2EJe5KadwvyDdLP8vRu8Q

Apparently it's an ad for a film from 2020?

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoBaekGun/status/1601621141487235072

# ? Dec 10, 2022 20:21

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

nigel thornberry posted:

chinas not going get hit hard! they have NPIs!

meanwhile, in China:

https://twitter.com/lukegilesadl/status/1601084757013827590?s=21&t=o2EJe5KadwvyDdLP8vRu8Q

Kassad posted:

Apparently it's an ad for a film from 2020?

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoBaekGun/status/1601621141487235072

this is your brain on heuristics. confirmation bias ftw

# ? Dec 10, 2022 20:28

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Zodium posted:

this is your brain

# ? Dec 10, 2022 20:30

nigel thornberry: Jul 29, 2013

Zodium posted:

this is your brain on heuristics. confirmation bias ftw

did you get tired of cybernetic capitalism and now every post you make has to somehow mention �heuristics�?I literally have no clue what you mean, but please don�t take that as invitation to explain

# ? Dec 10, 2022 20:34

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

those are the two only times i've posted the word "heuristics" in almost twenty years.

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i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

someone reverse that video

# ? Dec 10, 2022 21:23

Steve Yun: Aug 7, 2003; I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.; Soiled Meat

Kassad posted:

Apparently it's an ad for a film from 2020?

I don�t doubt it, but if it�s being shared around social media it means it�s being used as propaganda now

like, even if it�s just randos sharing it around without govt involvement, it means civilians are propagandizing each other with it

# ? Dec 10, 2022 21:24

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

it's definitely gonna be ugly if they do drop NPIs.

# ? Dec 10, 2022 21:34

A Spherical Sponge: Nov 28, 2010

I think the main danger from COVID now, assuming some more deadly, infectious, and vaccine evasive mutation doesn't pop up, is the effect on the immune system. In the US, UK, and EU, there's a secondary epidemic of kids coming down with RSV and Strep and Flu in huge numbers and getting way sicker than you would have expected pre-pandemic. The media is mostly trying to play it off as 'immune debt' but from what I understand, and what my infectious diseases PhD MD friend tells me, that's bullshit. Places that never went into lockdown for significant periods of time except maybe a month or two at the beginning are also suffering from the increase in non-COVID infections, plus there's plenty of evidence COVID can damage the immune system.

The question is whether the huge uptick in non-COVID infections we're seeing is because all those kids never got vaccinated until relatively late in the pandemic, after they'd been infected multiple times previously. If vaccination prevents, or at least massively reduces the risk of, damage to the immune system, China will probably be fine. A few hundred thousand deaths and millions of people with long covid, but manageable numbers in the grand scheme of things.

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Antonymous: Apr 4, 2009

so it's airborne HIV

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A Spherical Sponge: Nov 28, 2010

Antonymous posted:

so it's airborne HIV

Well, there's no reason to be so dramatic. It's not a guaranteed 100% loss of immune function like you would see with late stage untreated HIV-AIDS. Plus HIV is a progressive chronic disease, whereas the injury to immune function from COVID is due to acute insult, so they aren't really comparable. The damage lasts over a relatively long time, and might be cumulative, but not everyone who gets COVID has a 100% chance of damaging their immune system, and there's no evidence that it's permanent. Not that we can tell yet. But calling it Airborne HIV/AIDS makes it sound worse than it is, and will just get you laughed at.

# ? Dec 10, 2022 22:16

Red and Black: Sep 5, 2011

So apparently that report by "Safeguard Defenders" (Falun Gong front) on how the Chinese government is setting up overseas police stations was complete bullshit. At least according to the chinese law translate blog:

https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/overseas-police-stations-a-clearer-look/

quote:

Fact errors

Consider for example one of the report�s most shocking claims, that a local police bureau sent 70 people �directly overseas to conduct �foreign strike operations.�� [i] The cited source simply doesn�t support this assertion. Instead, it discusses a special team of county police, prosecutors, propagandists, and township officials sent to China�s Yunnan Province to discourage and prevent those considering exiting China to commit crimes.[ii] The authors seem to have been misled by the team�s name, which refers to the targeted offenders who are �heading abroad�, although it is clear that the team itself is based in China.

In another example, the report suggests that police targeted all Chinese nationals in Myanmar, punishing them for �smuggling� even where there was no evidence of any crimes.[iii] The article actually says that while not all Chinese fraud suspects returning from Myanmar ultimately turned out to be engaged in illegal activity, most had exited China illegally and could still be charged with that. [iv]

Context errors

While serious translation or reading comprehension errors like those above are plentiful, and should already justify caution in citing the report, there are other problems as well.

The actions of even small local governments are routinely attributed to higher authorities- once even saying that a county government�s policy would be binding on higher-level provincial officials.[v] This not only conflates national policy with local measures � in the same way that attributing a Texas school district�s ban on LGBTQ library books to the federal government might- but can also foster the impression that the similar acts of small neighboring counties represent a growing national trend.

While the report flatly states that �local governments are not left to their own devices in setting out these [repatriation] operations�, this is actually how things frequently happen in China. Local governments are given space to experiment radically in implementing mandates from above, either by design or as a result of higher authorities� inability to fully govern all the way down the hierarchy. One source relied on heavily by the report itself directly contradicts the authors� understanding, saying �these measures aren�t at all required by the central authorities, and aren�t even the province�s ideas, but are just �measures thought up� at the basic level to move work forward.� [vi]

Are there even �Overseas Police Stations?�

Returning to the report�s core issues, there is no question that China is acting more aggressively to persuade fugitives and criminal suspects to return to China from abroad. This is official policy, and most of the articles cited in the report are from mainstream sources, proudly reflecting the accomplishments of this effort, which is usually carried out through incentives like lighter sentences for returning, or consequences like the seizure of property for failure to return. The alleged �overseas police stations� have at most tenuous contribution to this.

The stations, established by the police of a provincial-level government[vii], are not staffed by police officers and are not built on embassy or consular grounds with any intent of insulating them from local laws. They are not secret, but actively advertise. Based on the reports� sources and other media, they are essentially video-conferencing rooms established in chambers of commerce and other community areas, advertising the facilitation of activities such as formal mediation with parties in China, license applications, and even remote physicals required for various bureaucratic and employment purposes. They are heavily represented in developed nations and areas with larger numbers of long-term resident Chinese nationals and tourists.

Even in the �smoking gun� cases, where these �stations� seem connected to actual criminal investigations, the police work is happening in China, after a call is transferred. The report notes the typical case of a Chinese citizen in Mozambique, for example, who called an overseas hotline that connected him with police in his home province concerning an employee who had returned home from Africa after stealing money. The police in China were able to capture the suspect in China.[viii] When they learned of an accomplice still in Mozambique, police approached this new suspect�s family in China and asked them to encourage him to return.

More troubling situations occur where Chinese citizens are approached overseas by other Chinese citizens who encourage them to return. Each nation should absolutely consider its own laws to determine when such contact (whether online or off) amounts to intimidation, harassment, or improper action within their borders by a foreign government; and I have confidence that these cases can be addressed through normal law enforcement, legislative, and diplomatic methods. [ix] The role of the �overseas stations� in these cases, however, seems limited to their having been used to contact authorities in China- something that could just as easily be accomplished using a smartphone.

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In Training: Jun 28, 2008

Falun gong making poo poo up? I'm shocked. I should cancel my subscription.

# ? Dec 10, 2022 22:37

Lessail: Apr 1, 2011; tell me how vgk aren't playing like shit again

p.s. help my grapes are so sour!

this thread sounds like the myriad of covid oped writers from the past couple of years lol

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bobtheconqueror: May 10, 2005

Antonymous posted:

so it's airborne HIV

I say it's airborne temporary AIDS. It lacks the persistency of HIV so immune functions damaged by Covid can recover over time. It's also not guaranteed that a single infection will cause immune damage at all, again because your body can fight it off.

Now, get infected several times a year and odds of having immune problems gets worse, as demonstrated by things like the weird opportunistic fungus infections during the Delta wave in India or the current "tripledemic" in the West.

The fact that Covid basically attacks every system in the body and has inconsistent impacts is part of why there's so much confusion out there, along with obfuscation by governments and other folks with perverse incentives to downplay the impacts of this disease.

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genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

Zodium posted:

it's definitely gonna be ugly if they do drop NPIs.

Yeah, just from the internal logic you have to either say that you hosed up and failed or that the new covid is MILD. And if you go for the second it's going to be harder to convince people to wear a mask, get a shot, and make an effort to not infect grandma.

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indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

bobtheconqueror posted:

I say it's airborne temporary AIDS.

you're stupid and probably annoying to your friends if you have any

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Mantis42: Jul 26, 2010

why can't there be viruses that are good for you? why is it always negative? what do we even pay scientists for?

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lobster shirt: Jun 14, 2021

Mantis42 posted:

why can't there be viruses that are good for you? why is it always negative? what do we even pay scientists for?

they're called vaccines

# ? Dec 11, 2022 00:10

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Red and Black posted:

So apparently that report by "Safeguard Defenders" (Falun Gong front) on how the Chinese government is setting up overseas police stations was complete bullshit. At least according to the chinese law translate blog:

https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/overseas-police-stations-a-clearer-look/

There was a big scandal back in Sept over a car bearing allegedly Chinese police markings parked in Manila's central business district, at the time when these stories were breaking

Turns out it was a movie prop

People are incredibly gullible and reactionary when it comes to China

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Eminent DNS: May 28, 2007

Well, now that this had all been figured out to be just a nothing burger, it's just a matter of time before the western press issues their retractions and updates to set the record straight

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AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

https://english.news.cn/20221209/4ac3599e2a7049f0a26f79459b5f6e8f/c.html

quote:

RIYADH, Dec. 9 (Xinhua) -- Chinese President Xi Jinping on Friday called on China and states of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) to work together to achieve new breakthroughs in space cooperation.

In his keynote speech at the China-GCC summit held here, Xi said China stands ready to cooperate with GCC countries in such areas as remote sensing satellites and communication satellites, space applications, space infrastructure, as well as astronaut selection and training.

Xi welcomed astronauts from GCC countries to China's space station, fly together with Chinese astronauts and carry out space science experiments with their Chinese counterparts

This seems pretty cool, hope something results from it.

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indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

egghead poo poo

# ? Dec 11, 2022 05:15

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Remember how the moonie cult was backed up by the CIA to fight communism?

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1703850/badoys-take-quiboloy-woes-a-price-to-pay-for-fighting-reds

quote:

"The United States Department of the Treasury sanctions on televangelist Apollo Quiboloy, including a freeze order on his US-based assets, are all part of the sacrifice needed to end communism, according to Lorraine Badoy, a former spokesperson for the government’s anti-insurgency body.

“I’m not surprised by it at all. It’s the price that you pay. We’re all ready to pay that price just to end this 54-year scourge of the Communist Party (of the Philippines, or CPP) —the terrorists,” said Badoy, who served as a mouthpiece of the National Task Force to End Local Communist Armed Conflict (NTF-Elcac) during the Duterte administration.

She is now an anchor at SMNI News Channel, a network owned by Quiboloy.

Badoy said news of the latest US sanctions on Quiboloy, founder of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ (KOJC) and self-proclaimed appointed “Son of God,” was no longer surprising because, according to her, he was a leading figure in the fight against the communist rebellion.

‘Systemic, pervasive rape’ Quiboloy is accused in the US of engaging in “serious human rights abuse, including a pattern of systemic and pervasive rape of girls as young as 11 years old, as well as other physical abuse.”

“You know these terrorists, they’re all over … because the CPP-NPA-NDF (New People’s Army-National Democratic Front of the Philippines) is very much into propaganda. So of course you expect something like that,” Badoy told the Inquirer.

When still serving under the NTF-Elcac, Badoy came under fire from militant groups and human rights watchdogs for Red-tagging activists or critics of the government, or linking them to the communist movement, often without basis.

In October, the Supreme Court ordered her to explain why she should not be cited in contempt over her social media posts allegedly threatening Manila Regional Trial Court Judge Marlo Magdoza-Malagar. This was after the judge issued a decision rejecting the government’s move to declare the CPP and NPA as terrorist organizations.

In response, Badoy invoked freedom of expression, arguing that her statements were on a matter of public interest and constituted “fair comment” protected by law."

# ? Dec 11, 2022 06:32

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSEAqqd6uCw

some talk about how loosening of covid restrictions is going

they're fairly positive but it seems like cope to me.

# ? Dec 11, 2022 06:34

420 Gank Mid: Dec 26, 2008; WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1600655301581365248

very wise chairman xi

# ? Dec 11, 2022 12:00

GlassEye-Boy: Jul 12, 2001

apparently the latest talks between China and the GCC, especially regarding to territorial claims, has pissed off the Iranians.

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Danann: Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/MahuiChina/status/1601755644100763648

:hmmyes:

# ? Dec 12, 2022 04:03

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

a little update i heard at work today re: covid. all the business guys were expecting our sales in china to sharply increase with the loosening covid restrictions and are shocked to find that sales have actually sharply and immediately dropped instead

# ? Dec 12, 2022 04:10

FrancisFukyomama: Feb 4, 2019

Apparently those China protestors are accusing musk of censoring their posts on Twitter

don�t know how true that is but it�s kinda funny that even as musk has been spiraling down becoming an insane reactionary and burning bridges with everyone he never badmouths the CPC bc he knows they won�t take his poo poo and will immediately close his factories down and kick him out if he pisses them off

FrancisFukyomama has issued a correction as of 05:06 on Dec 12, 2022

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Antonymous: Apr 4, 2009

https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/xi-jinping-says-china-supports-palestine-with-1967-borders-63395

Chinese leader calls for granting Palestine "full membership" in United Nations and says Beijing "supports the two-state solution and the establishment of a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital."

# ? Dec 12, 2022 09:57

FrancisFukyomama: Feb 4, 2019

Antonymous posted:

https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/xi-jinping-says-china-supports-palestine-with-1967-borders-63395

Chinese leader calls for granting Palestine "full membership" in United Nations and says Beijing "supports the two-state solution and the establishment of a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital."

does the CPC still maintain party relations with the PFLP? they seem to be on good terms with the PLO but the PFLP seems to be the main party in favor of a one state solution

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DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

Mantis42 posted:

why can't there be viruses that are good for you? why is it always negative? what do we even pay scientists for?

The ones that don't kill you are good because they weed out those unfit to survive in ruthless darwinistic survival.

It's all a matter of perspective and setting expectations.

# ? Dec 12, 2022 12:07

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