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Also the symbols thing is not hard at all just say 6 - 3 - 2 - 1 or whatever
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The only thing that might make sense is if they were initially future-proofing for a return to 54mm kill-team. Which, with 3D printing, might be more viable than they think or want.
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moths posted:The symbols thing is, I think, to differentiate it from Saga. Which is a historical wargame that it also borrowed list building from.
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After flirting with it for a while, I bought a full Eldar Epic army. There is a very small community here, but I think I will enjoy painting more than playing, as usual. Will post some photos later.
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The symbols are dumb and non-intuitive in any way. Outside of that, I am mad about how there's no mechanical incentive to take like laspistols and chainswords when you have plasma and power stuff, which cost the same (nothing) and are just superior in all ways. Then I'm irritated with stuff how Marines are armed with <gun> and Fists. Oooh, great, the Angels of Death, humanity's greatest warriors, don't even get a knife and a pistol. I can aaalmost forgive grenades not being standard kit... And ofc, I'd love a non-Compendium, model-supported Smoll Marine kill team, but that's never happening. Outside of that, it's in all ways better than KT1. I preordered that book and was immediately pissed off by campaign rules just revolving around meaningless point pools. After playing it a couple of times with people I like to play games with the most, I just dropped it. Shadow War was jank and I was always losing, but it was fun.
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big review of the new kill team cards:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2HgjHU3Y38 it's actually robustly new stuff! there's alot of small changes the card size is Tarot sized, not normal card sized it contains all the rules, once you have the card deck you dont need the core rulebook anymre the game now officially gets you +1 CP by default, so now you get 4 CP instead of 3 the game has big deployment changes, now if you want you can split your kill team into three GROUPS and alternate deploying the GROUPS instead of alternating the individual fighters. (Jesus Christ FInally, I really prefer this over one-by-one) the cards include new TaCops and 3 new missions You can only take ONE faction tacops into your deck. new scouting options Warhammer Community will now be releasing FREE Into the Dark missions Costs 32 dollars american overall a decent card pack, I already Pre-Ordered!
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Neat! Well y'all have fun with Kill Team 2023.
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I don't like how they're tarot sized as I don't know where to get card sleeves that size
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Spanish Manlove posted:I don't like how they're tarot sized as I don't know where to get card sleeves that size Amazon
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Al-Saqr posted:Amazon Oh word
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GW’s embargo is up today, so all the reviewers who got advance copies have their Underworlds info out for Looncourt and Fearsome Fortress: https://pathtoglorypodcast.com/grinkraks-looncourt/
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Spanish Manlove posted:I don't like how they're tarot sized as I don't know where to get card sleeves that size
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Spanish Manlove posted:I don't like how they're tarot sized as I don't know where to get card sleeves that size https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/fantasy-flight-supply/products/tarot-card-sleeves/#:~:text=50%20sleeves%20per%20package.,(70%20x%20120%20MM). There are a few but I think ffg makes decent sleeves.
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As an obsessive board game sleever, my preferred brand is Sleeve Kings. Thick enough to feel sturdy but not so thick that they take up a bunch of room or slide off a pile.
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If stuff is on back order everywhere, including the GW website, that means it's out right now and should be back right? Cause they put "no longer available" on stuff that is properly gone for good? Just unsure cause other stuff I've tried to acquire in the past from other companies, they weren't the most diligent about keeping that sort of info accurate and obviously the third party websites are just gonna report on their own stock I guess? Just asking cause one of my friends wants to get into Necromunda and play it together as an aside to regular 40k and the Hive War starter box seems like the best option for what we want since he would wanna play the Delaque, I'd wanna play Escher and it comes with some terrain and all the other gubbins. It's "on back order" everywhere though and I'm not sure if that's just a right now situation or long term cause it came out in June 2021. thebardyspoon fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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Siivola posted:Neat! Well y'all have fun with Kill Team 2023. Hell yeah, i will. Sad you can't play your game any more.
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Bottom Liner posted:Hell yeah, i will. Sad you can't play your game any more.
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Wait why would you stop playing kill team? The new cards only tweak stuff a little, it isn’t mandatory.
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Also even if they did, the cards are going to be leaked and printable.
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It's a $30 season pass and that's horse poo poo.
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It's a physical game. You can still play the game with everything you bought as you always did. If you play somewhere with other people that have the new stuff just tell them you don't and will use proxies or whatever. No one will give a poo poo unless you're playing at GW headquarters. These are living games and I am glad they get continued support and development, otherwise we'd still be in the era of 4 AP Custodes teams with 99% win rate.
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thebardyspoon posted:If stuff is on back order everywhere, including the GW website, that means it's out right now and should be back right? Cause they put "no longer available" on stuff that is properly gone for good? Just unsure cause other stuff I've tried to acquire in the past from other companies, they weren't the most diligent about keeping that sort of info accurate and obviously the third party websites are just gonna report on their own stock I guess? No longer available could be it is gone forever or they are changing the trade dress (they never reuse bar codes, so if they change a box <hello tenth edition!> that code is dead to the system). Could also be a fat-finger on the code status as well. Catachan Command was NLA a couple weeks ago, but is Temporarily Out Of Stock now. Hive War appears to be in stock on the GW site in the english-speaking territories I scanned through, but I can't imagine it is high on the list of things to reprint since that box is a heckin' chonker.
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Yeah that was my worry with stuff like Shadowvaults almost immediately selling out and things like that, figured if it's been out that long then it might not get reprinted much anymore. It definitely isn't currently in stock in the UK and I'd prefer not to faff about with ordering from another country right now. Maybe I'll just try and order it from a third party place that says "available for back order" and see what happens then. thebardyspoon fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Dec 10, 2022 |
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thebardyspoon posted:Yeah that was my worry with stuff like Shadowvaults almost immediately selling out and things like that, figured if it's been out that long then it might not get reprinted much anymore. I'm seeing Hive War in stock on Amazon both in US and UK.
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Siivola posted:It's a $30 season pass and that's horse poo poo. That's a crazy over reaction considering the text of the cards literally on the review of the item (if you look at glass half dead yt review). No one is forcing you to pay the money to gets these cards, when cheap as free alternatives exist, or are to exist in literal days after this hits the streets. Recite the catechism of calming the gently caress down: Gee-dubs has released another product, I am not compelled to purchase it, The Emperor stands beside me, Holding the pursestrings, I shall not want.
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Siivola posted:It's a $30 season pass and that's horse poo poo. Dude this is an insane overreaction you have the core game and rules you can play the game 100% fine till the cows come home the card pack is just some tweaks and new options and a handier way to have the rules, missions and setup options with you when going around, the only reason I’m getting it is so that I don’t have to take the rulebook anywhere with me anymore, they didn’t change any data cards or anything like that. Chill. This is like saying you can’t play monopoly anymore because Hasbro released an optional pack of cards with some additional stuff and the rules on it.
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Honestly I’m also already done with the errata roulette that adds in and takes out entire rules for no apparent reason. I can’t keep up on how vantage points work this month. I would've grumbled if this scoring update had been a free pdf release. Sure I can play with Wahapedia open, but I play taböetop games so I have some excuse to put my phone down for a couple of hours. It's not a minor update either. Going from three faction tac ops to one will force all teams to fight over the same generic ops, which are also now updated. You'll be playing completely different games in 2023.
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Have you ever considered just playing the game that came in the box and not giving the errata stuff more than the single second glance it deserves?
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Unironically yeah, I'll just have to try to remember not to buy Custodes.
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Now that I've had my morning coffee I'm also willing to admit that the changes sound interesting and potentially good, I just don't play regularly enough to make keeping up with the game worth it.
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Goonhammer with the detailed write up of the cards and the changes they bring, overall they are very positive on it! https://www.goonhammer.com/the-goonhammer-review-kill-team-critical-operations-cards/ GoonHammer Final Thoughts:- posted:
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Udated my KT writeup to add the deck and more importantly the free Lite Rules I'd somehow forgotten.
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Siivola posted:Udated my KT writeup to add the deck and more importantly the free Lite Rules I'd somehow forgotten. Also dont forget Deployment can now be done in groups, you split your kill team into three equal (as possible) groups and alternate deploying them instead of one-by-one. makes things much faster. speaking of which when is this new thread going to be posted?
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The local guys in my KT scene already made a bunch of printable versions of the new secondaries that are sized to be able to print them out on a sheet of paper, cut out, and glue to a playing card. I like that the game is being updated and balanced but the printed rulebook system is an awful medium for this live games method of updating. But I make due with post it notes and handwritten errata
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Al-Saqr posted:Also dont forget Deployment can now be done in groups, you split your kill team into three equal (as possible) groups and alternate deploying them instead of one-by-one. makes things much faster.
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Siivola posted:Now that I've had my morning coffee I'm also willing to admit that the changes sound interesting and potentially good, I just don't play regularly enough to make keeping up with the game worth it. "Community supported" rulesets for life, IMHO.
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Talas posted:Uh? Isn't that exactly like Warcry? I dunno but a week ago the rules were that each person alternates deploys INDIVIDUAL fighters now you can deploy groups at a time.
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Physical <poo poo> is part of the business model. Some weebs from Spain somehow manage to have a free army builder that's immediately updated with all the new profile changes and is hyperlinked to a rule wiki. A random Russian is doing more banger work with Wahapedia than GW ever did online. I remember the early days of the new paid army builder app linking to a Google Drive for the rules. But this is what happens when selling models isn't enough, you need to sell books, cards and other physical poo poo others somehow manage to do without.
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JcDent posted:Physical <poo poo> is part of the business model. Some weebs from Spain somehow manage to have a free army builder that's immediately updated with all the new profile changes and is hyperlinked to a rule wiki. A random Russian is doing more banger work with Wahapedia than GW ever did online. I remember the early days of the new paid army builder app linking to a Google Drive for the rules. Isn't enough for what though? GW has been making record profits. They're free to do so, but we don't have to pretend it's the only way to run a successful game company.
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I would definitely prefer GW take a more digital approach to rules publishing, but this card deck feels like a pretty cool QoL improvement and I'm looking forward to buying it
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