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I admit i assumed that the satanic panic thing absolutely was bullshit invented by the same crazy christian fundamentalists who thought dungeons and dragons and harry potter were literally getting kids to sell their souls to the devil and bill clinton and obama were literally the antichrist, until i learned about the epstein expanded universe
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Perry Mason Jar posted:
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Shear Modulus posted:I admit i assumed that the satanic panic thing absolutely was bullshit invented by the same crazy christian fundamentalists who thought dungeons and dragons and harry potter were literally getting kids to sell their souls to the devil and bill clinton and obama were literally the antichrist, until i learned about the epstein expanded universe yeah lol, without even attributing supernatural causation, like saturn or satan or who the gently caress ever actually existing and orchestrating this darkness... that can still be pure fantasy, but when we have transcripts of epstein larping dionysus during a ritual orgy i feel like it's hard to argue that the theatrics, the esoterica, the ritual work, isn't playing some kind of role independent of that. rich bored guy with nothing to do and a bunch of enemies and people that innately hate you for what you are, and suddenly larping some dark cthonic god probably sounds appealing as all get out
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Our institutions and networks of social control predate a scientific perspective on sociology or economics. So it entirely possible that the old school Taft-eta Skull and Bones society (and the like) did somewhat believe in the rituals even if it’s all dress up and sex play for the George W Bush generation and later.
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Riot Bimbo posted:yeah lol, without even attributing supernatural causation, like saturn or satan or who the gently caress ever actually existing and orchestrating this darkness... that can still be pure fantasy, but when we have transcripts of epstein larping dionysus during a ritual orgy i feel like it's hard to argue that the theatrics, the esoterica, the ritual work, isn't playing some kind of role independent of that. yeah this is one reason I don’t get the “it’s probably just some intern or a fresh art school grad. there’s nothing to see here and you’re nuts if you think this isn’t normal. they would not do this out in the open” thing, which seems to be the prevailing opinion in the rest of this forum now.
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multistability posted:So he's a capitalist - he wants to make money, right? He's a billionaire, all he cares about is making money. His mind is infected with Capital. So he's sitting on these pandemic simulation things because - why? It's more that we are now collectively at the whims of individuals that have more money than governments. So now if this guy wants to do a pandemic, I guess we're doing a pandemic. What mechanism is there to stop this, other than taxing them to pre-emptively take away the kind of money that would allow one person to influence society as a whole according to their weird interests? It's like how becoming a multi-planet species is now supposedly our goal, because Musk specifically wants it. Never mind we've proven ourselves incapable of managing one global society. Thank God that Bezos doesn't want anything other than seeing that number go up.
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Futanari Damacy posted:Thank God that Bezos doesn't want anything other than seeing that number go up. He did put $10 billion into a fund that wants to "fight climate change" by having oil companies buy carbon offsets.
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Futanari Damacy posted:Thank God that Bezos doesn't want anything other than seeing that number go up. Bezos is heavily involved with the Long Now Foundation most famous for their Clock of the Long Now, which they're building 2 full scale versions one inside a mountain in Texas the other inside a mountain in Nevada:      but they also do Revive & Restore: https://reviverestore.org/ - reviving extinct species The Organizational Continuity Project https://longnow.org/continuity/ - creating institutions that can last for thousands of years The Manual for Civilization https://longnow.org/ideas/how-can-we-create-a-manual-for-civilization/ - a manual for creating a civilization
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Things like that ^ and "longtermism" etc make me think the ruling class are convinced that they are soon going to have the ability to genetically engineer themselves to live forever or some poo poo. Wasn't Epstein obsessed with like living forever and genetic engineering, and didn't he surround himself with various transhumanist freaks etc
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They've been convinced of that for a long time. It was at the core of the Singularity cult. Ray Kurzweil became a silicon valley guru and hugely influential public intellectual because he was telling everyone that aging would be solved in a couple decades, so if you live until then you'll be able to live forever and/or upload your brain to a computer. He was literally saying that in Time magazine. e: look at this horseshit from the wikipedia page for his most famous book: quote:The Singularity Is Near: When Humans Transcend Biology is a 2005 non-fiction book about artificial intelligence and the future of humanity by inventor and futurist Ray Kurzweil.
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Of they want to live in the computer what is their response to simply turning the computer off?
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War and Pieces posted:Of they want to live in the computer what is their response to simply turning the computer off? I have no monitor but I must turn it on
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Seems risky to intentionally aim for the grey goo scenario on the off chance it wants to be our friend. I liked the idea of building a bigass clock that will outlive everyone alive, it is much less cool knowing that some of the people building it plan on being around for that long.
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Switching tracks for a bit, I'm now Soy Sauce pilled. https://www.tumblr.com/inneskeeper/tagged/the%20mysterious%20appearance%20of%20miss%20appleton Someone decides to look up this woman who according to Kikkoman's website basically controlled the supply the soy beans to post-war japan and thus caused all of the Soy Sauce industry to switch brewing method. Except there's no sources or even proofs this woman ever lived.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Switching tracks for a bit, I'm now Soy Sauce pilled. Anime source located.
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lmao gently caress building an actual clock
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But yeah those longtermism transhumanists are going to turn out to be sci fi dystopia villans.
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Turns out all those scifi stories and games about civilizations splintering over the idea of transferring to machines might be pretty accurate.
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to me transhumanism is the most insane thing to present as immortality. when you upload you don't live forever, you loving die. the digital copy of you isn't actually you, YOU WILL DIE.
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these freaks can't control reality the way they'd like so they wanna make a facsimilie where they do, and inflict it on a critical mass of the population and just scourge the rest. it's a "this is why revelation is happening now"-tier affront to God and the fact it won't work as intended, ever, is beside the point lol
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bill gates is also now the single largest owner of private farmland in the USA probably nothing to worry about
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Doktor Avalanche posted:to me transhumanism is the most insane thing to present as immortality. they're secretly dualists OP
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Doktor Avalanche posted:to me transhumanism is the most insane thing to present as immortality. Yeah this is the biggest WTF for me, of all the breathless reporting of the idea that in the future "zillions of humans will live happily inside of computers"- I have seen zero interrogation or pushback on the idea of what it would actually mean for humans to "live" "inside a computer"
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Futanari Damacy posted:Yeah this is the biggest WTF for me, of all the breathless reporting of the idea that in the future "zillions of humans will live happily inside of computers"- I have seen zero interrogation or pushback on the idea of what it would actually mean for humans to "live" "inside a computer" theres a documentary on this called sword art online abridged
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Laterite posted:bill gates is also now the single largest owner of private farmland in the USA That's just good and cool capitalism. It's the microchips in the vaccines you have to watch out for 
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Futanari Damacy posted:Yeah this is the biggest WTF for me, of all the breathless reporting of the idea that in the future "zillions of humans will live happily inside of computers"- I have seen zero interrogation or pushback on the idea of what it would actually mean for humans to "live" "inside a computer" There's a Greg Egan story called "Learning To Be Me" where millions of people have uploaded their mind into computers. They do it by gradually replacing human brain functions with digital neurons, so that the person remains conscious throughout the process. The narrator goes through this, but realizes partway through that the digital neurons are actually creating a new self while his original consciousness is dying. But at this point, the speech centre of his brain is all-digital, so his voice tells people that it's working and he'll see them in the simulation. Edit: I thought it was a Ted Chiang story, and couldn't find the title. Thanks, scary ghost dog Chamale has issued a correction as of 02:29 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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Chamale posted:There's a short story by Ted Chiang (I think) where millions of people have uploaded their mind into computers. They do it by gradually replacing human brain functions with digital neurons, so that the person remains conscious throughout the process. The narrator goes through this, but realizes partway through that the digital neurons are actually creating a new self while his original consciousness is dying. But at this point, the speech centre of his brain is all-digital, so his voice tells people that it's working and he'll see them in the simulation. theres a very similar greg egan story
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Futanari Damacy posted:Yeah this is the biggest WTF for me, of all the breathless reporting of the idea that in the future "zillions of humans will live happily inside of computers"- I have seen zero interrogation or pushback on the idea of what it would actually mean for humans to "live" "inside a computer" It’s not actually possible either, unless we find some way of creating unlimited energy with the ability to store cosmic amounts of information in hyperspace or whatever. Mapping the 86 million neurons in the human brain is beyond the capacity of all of our computers put together, and that’s just if we’re talking about a single “brain state”. Think of it as a screenshot, whereas having that software version of your brain be able to think and create memories requires not just the ability to store one brain state, but infinite. Not happening.
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This reminds me of that bit in the first Culture novel where the protagonist tricks a ship into telling him where its mind is stored and he just shoots it with a gun
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Endman posted:This reminds me of that bit in the first Culture novel where the protagonist tricks a ship into telling him where its mind is stored and he just shoots it with a gun What happens when you shoot google with a gun?
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