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Zorak of Michigan posted:Honestly, that would be the heading of my Pixel 7 review. The back is so slippery that without a case, it slides right off my horizontal wireless charging pads. How did that make it through testing? Fingerprint recognition is vastly inferior to my 5. How did that make it through? Never mind, I know the answer: someone did flag it, fixing it would have cost money, Google didn't want to spend it. Just add some grip tape.
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Zorak of Michigan posted:Honestly, that would be the heading of my Pixel 7 review. The back is so slippery that without a case, it slides right off my horizontal wireless charging pads. How did that make it through testing? Fingerprint recognition is vastly inferior to my 5. How did that make it through? Never mind, I know the answer: someone did flag it, fixing it would have cost money, Google didn't want to spend it. I went through all this last year with the Pixel 6, I prefer not to case a phone but I absolutely have to with the P6 because it's so slippery it slides off of fully horizontal surfaces on its own. My wife had a 5a, and we both preferred the form factor and fingerprint sensor of the 5a so much that I had buyers remorse and tried to convince her to trade me so that I could have the 5a.
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Dec 11, 2022 18:46
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I've just got used the fingerprint sensor being a bit poo poo. Everything else about it I love and face unlock covers me most of the time
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Skarsnik posted:I've just got used the fingerprint sensor being a bit poo poo. Everything else about it I love and face unlock covers me most of the time I use Wallet a lot, and it frustrates me that my apparently unlocked phone needs to be unlocked again to pay for things, because face unlock isn't good enough for Wallet.
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Dec 11, 2022 19:20
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Face unlock is not particularly secure and putting the ability to take your money behind an actually good method of verification is in fact a good thing
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Dec 11, 2022 19:44
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sleepwalkers posted:Face unlock is not particularly secure and putting the ability to take your money behind an actually good method of verification is in fact a good thing No argument there. I'm just part of the legion of owners who miss the fingerprint sensor from the back of the Pixel 5.
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That reminds me. I know I could just turn off face unlock, but, how do I use Google Pay with it? Right now I try it, and it fails because the phone was unlocked via face, then I have to try again. So if the phone is already unlocked, via face, how do I get Google Pay to bring up a thumbprint/PIN so it will work the first time?
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The Merkinman posted:That reminds me. I know I could just turn off face unlock, but, how do I use Google Pay with it? Right now I try it, and it fails because the phone was unlocked via face, then I have to try again. My experience so far has been that it can't be done, but it will prompt for a thumbprint after the first attempt.
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Uthor posted:They're technically not. They are Google's take on Android. They have a bunch of stuff/apps other Android phones do not. There's a vanilla Android out there that is the basis for all of the other versions. I think it is without the Google apps, but could be wrong. repiv posted:Yeah the Nexus and Android One phones shipped very close to pure AOSP, but the Pixels have steadily diverged from AOSP and "Pixel Android" is now a skin in its own right. It's a relatively light skin, but a skin nonetheless, things like the launcher and camera app are proprietary to Pixel phones and no other manufacturers can ship them even if they wanted to. "Pixel is a skin" argument is definitely compelling but where it falls down is that software development wise the dependency between AOSP and Google devices actually runs the opposite way to what you'd expect: Former head of AOSP some years back posted:Within Google, we're usually working on 2 or 3 version at the same time, targeting our flagship devices. When we ship to consumers, we take the source code for that version, remove the proprietary hardware files, remove the Google code, and release that source code to AOSP. That means that Nexus devices aren't technically based on AOSP, but rather than AOSP is based on Nexus devices. (Clipped from G+ (lol) link if you can find a still working archive ) i.e. Doesn't make as much sense to classify Android 13 Pixel builds as a "skin" when chronologically it came before Android 13 AOSP and the latter was derived from it. Granted it isn't a given that they're still following the same Google build -> Degoogling -> AOSP process with Pixel, but the fact that the initial version of Android 12 AOSP didn't even have dynamic color implementation strongly suggests that they are. Not to mention this stuff from a Verge Google IO 2022 article: quote:But over the last couple of years, Google has begun to change in order to meet this challenge. Osterloh’s devices team, for instance, has completely reset its relationship with the Android team. For a long time, the company proudly maintained a wall between Pixel and Android, treating its internal hardware team like any other manufacturer. Now, Google treats Pixel like the tip of the spear: it’s meant to be both a flagship device and a development platform through which Google can build features it then shares with the rest of the ecosystem. https://www.theverge.com/23065820/google-io-ambient-computing-pixel-android-phones-watches-software "Skin" doesn't really seem descriptive when the Made by Google team are literally co-designing the platform now. Closed source/proprietary doesn't really preclude Pixel being the canonical version. BonoMan posted:So what does purr vanilla android look like these days? To some extent the answer will always be semantic/arbitrary because the terms are so loosely defined to begin with. Rubin-era Android was different from Sundar-Android in that it marketed itself not as an end product consumer OS, but as a factory for building consumer OSes (by adding an ecosystem of OEM apps/services). Whereas Sundar-Android is about continually trying (and mostly failing) to push Google's take on the OS using the infrastructure & momentum the former built up from scratch, because Google won't make any profit from services if the former vision is taken to the extreme. Vanilla Android wasn't even an officially acknowledged thing until five years in (2013/Kit Kat) with Google Play editions:  It took another year before "Nexus User experience" got rebranded into "Stock Android"  If you want to get technical about it the "Stock Android" directly corresponds to the Package Manager "com.google.android.feature.GOOGLE_EXPERIENCE" feature flag (which apps can use to programmatically disable features/Play uses to filter availability) which they previously used to limit the Nexus 4/5/7/10 Google Now launcher + stock apps. So officially speaking Pixel's are just as "stock" as the Nexus 5 because if you check their flags with either (an app like this) or ADB code:ergo, they're still "stock" in Google's eyes. Seperating Google features/"Stock" from "Pixel features" is hard since Android One doesn't even exist any more for comparison. It's been replaced with "Android Premier" where the pitch seems to be "look just dont change the launcher too much + agree to security updates and we'll give you some Google/Pixel features + extra ad money okay. please??" e.g. the Nokia T10 & T20 tablets aren't "Stock" + don't use Pixel launcher but still have the Pixel launcher smart space stuff embedded in the homescreen.
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The Merkinman posted:That reminds me. I know I could just turn off face unlock, but, how do I use Google Pay with it? Right now I try it, and it fails because the phone was unlocked via face, then I have to try again. Yeah I've just got used to not looking too directly at my phone when I pull it out at the till so I can do fingerprint first
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Vagrancy posted:Super detailed post. Neat, thanks for the info!
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I just use my watch. They do need to figure out a solution to things though. I think that they should still let you validate via the fingerprint even if it does unlock via face, having the fingerprint icon just turn into an unlocked button isn't the way to go. Leave the fingerprint icon there and have the swipe up gesture get you to the home screen if you unlock via face. That way, you can still unlock via fingerprint. The Pixel series is no more or less slippery than any other glass backed phone, I don't know why it's brought up so much as a Pixel specific thing. I sat my Fold 4 on the couch after unboxing, nowhere near the edge, and I had to dive for it as it just slid towards the edge.
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Vagrancy posted:"Pixel is a skin" argument is definitely compelling but where it falls down is that software development wise the dependency between AOSP and Google devices actually runs the opposite way to what you'd expect: Pixel and One UI are not so much skins, as they are essentially officially sanctioned forks of Android. The idea that there is "one true Android experience" is pretty silly. The whole point of the OHA is to have a common base that each manufacturer can mold into their own thing. Google themselves are pretty heavily involved in developing and promoting One UI, but that doesn't make it any more the "official" flavor of Android than the likes of Pixel and One Plus. In the end, it comes down to subjective preference. No matter how many times we try to argue that our particular preference is the objective truth.
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bull3964 posted:It's going to be Feb, but it really should be a big leap from the S22U. Well shoot... maybe ill look at swappa for a cheap inbetween phone, my work requires an up to date security patches phone due to my job. Thanks for the info, I appreciate it
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Well hopefully they're paying for a phone they require you to have?
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withoutclass posted:Well hopefully they're paying for a phone they require you to have? They pay for the line, but not the phone. And technically i can have an older phone just can't have any work applications. And it makes my job 50x easier if i can use my phone. fyallm fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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Deviant posted:if your work requires a phone your work should purchase the phone They don't require a phone. They allow me to use one to make my job eaiser/more convenient for me. And they do pay for the actual monthly service for the line. Anyways, thanks for the tip about the new phone
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You can get a cheap Galaxy A to hold you over, Samsung might even give you more than you paid for it when you trade it on an S23.
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bull3964 posted:... Most people have a limited number of points of comparison because they haven't extensively tested every phone on the market. There are lots of potential ownership histories that lead to the pixel being unique in a person's experience.
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Also even the plastic-backed Pixels are super slippy
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I've read articles that put some of the design of phones down to taking into account most people use cases nowadays, so they go with stuff that looks "premium" even if it doesn't make the most sense. Like loving glass backs on phones. Since the first thing most people due is put a case on it anyway. I love my Pixel 6, but some small part of that is also because I love the case I have on it.
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I have a weird situation with my Pixel 4A. I went overseas for a week and while I was there bought a Vodafone sim card, swapped it out and it worked fine. When I returned back I put my original sim back in. But now I don't get any push notifications from my email and other background apps and can only receive these notifications if I directly open the app itself. All the notification settings and stuff are definitely switched on, I updated the system, deleted and reinstalled apps, and still the same problem. The weird thing is that when I put the Vodafone sim back in again then the notifications work perfectly. So my vague theory is that it's something to do with the carrier, like the phone can't sync in the background because of Vodafone or something. Does anyone have any idea about what causes this?
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Charles 2 of Spain posted:I have a weird situation with my Pixel 4A. I went overseas for a week and while I was there bought a Vodafone sim card, swapped it out and it worked fine. When I returned back I put my original sim back in. But now I don't get any push notifications from my email and other background apps and can only receive these notifications if I directly open the app itself. All the notification settings and stuff are definitely switched on, I updated the system, deleted and reinstalled apps, and still the same problem. I have had similar issues before from swapping sims and I needed to reset the network settings. . Put your original sim in and Go Settings - System - Reset Options - Reset Wifi, Mobile & Bluetooth. That should fix it.
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Burden posted:I have had similar issues before from swapping sims and I needed to reset the network settings. . Put your original sim in and Go Settings - System - Reset Options - Reset Wifi, Mobile & Bluetooth. That should fix it. It'd be nice if you could reset the mobile connection without having to re-pair all your Bluetooth devices and Wifi networks.
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I posted in the Short Hardware Questions thread but was suggested to post here [even though I suspect it's not really an Android/Pixel thing] so  Sab669 posted:This is more of a software question than a hardware question, but there really doesn't seem to be a "SOFTWARE Short Questions ..." equivalent that I could find? My question is about poor bluetooth performance across multiple phones & cars. My phones have always worked fine with my portable bluetooth speakers, so I really don't think that's the issue. TL:DR Have you guys had lovely performance via bluetooth in older cars from around the turn of the decade? Sab669 fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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One other thing to keep in mind, the airwaves have gotten more congested and 2.4ghz gets flattened a lot. When you are driving around, you are coming in and out of a ton of EMI sources in rapid succession. I know back when I still commuted, there were a few smart traffic signals I would go by on the way to work that would hiccup bluetooth. Hell, even 5ghz isn't immune as I noted just the other week how when I rounded the corner past an apartment complex on the way to my parents house (both coming and going) I had a hiccup in wireless android auto. It's a hostile world out there for wireless signals on shared frequency ranges and it's drat near impossible for everything to be tested in every condition.
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I have a 2016 Equinox and even though my S21+ connects to bluetooth right away, I have to wait a good 90 seconds before I switch over to bluetooth audio, otherwise I get really horrible stuttering.
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I got the latest oxygen update for my oneplus 7t, and now the light dims extremely fast when I'm reading stuff. Is there a way to increase the timer? I've looked at all power and screen settings but nothing seems to do the trick.
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bull3964 posted:One other thing to keep in mind, the airwaves have gotten more congested and 2.4ghz gets flattened a lot. When you are driving around, you are coming in and out of a ton of EMI sources in rapid succession. That's a good point. There was this 1 exact spot on the highway with the Fiesta every day where my music would always cut out. Very well might just be various sorts of EMI.
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It's the annual mkbhd camera contest If you have a few minutes try voting. https://vote.mkbhd.com/ Funnily enough my normal vs low light preferences are completely different. I picked MKB for regular and EDO for low light lostleaf fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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lostleaf posted:It's the annual mkbhd cera contest Did the whole thing. My results were: 🥇: O 🥈: H 🥉: G This will be interesting.
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Is there a way to list installed webapps on your phone (aka things that might have service workers and whatnot). (Wanna get my sister to do it, she's concerned about if she's done anything insecure and I'm in another city)
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Burden posted:I have had similar issues before from swapping sims and I needed to reset the network settings. . Put your original sim in and Go Settings - System - Reset Options - Reset Wifi, Mobile & Bluetooth. That should fix it.
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Standard: MLB Low-Light: GAM Portrait: GKH
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Category: Lowlight 🥇: F 🥈: P 🥉: M Category: Standard 🥇: B 🥈: F 🥉: G Category: Portrait 🥇: A 🥈: L 🥉: G Hyped to see that F ends up being some piece of poo poo phone lol
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Does Google accept returns of phones that have been used for a few days (but are undamaged)?
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Has anyone tested Samsung dex with an ultrawide monitor? And are you able to do portrait orientation?
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codo27 posted:Has anyone tested Samsung dex with an ultrawide monitor? And are you able to do portrait orientation? I was not able to get an S21 to output more than 1920x1080 using either a USB C -> DP cable or a USB C -> HDMI adapter. I tried on both a 4K monitor and a 3840x1600 ultrawide. I've read that you can get higher resolution if you use a Samsung branded dex dock, but I wasn't into Dex enough to buy one.
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codo27 posted:Has anyone tested Samsung dex with an ultrawide monitor? And are you able to do portrait orientation? Good Lock will allow you to enable all resolutions when using Dex. You can find the option under MultiStar.
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