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bulletsponge13 posted:I find it real hard to get worked up over the morality of conventional weapon design. They are machines, without desire or intent. It just seems like getting worked up just to get worked up. That hasn’t really been the modern thought on engineering ethics for decades. Technology isn’t inherently neutral, it carries the morality of its creators. Nuclear bombs aren’t neutral, they represent a society where the threat of mass destruction is important - nothing said we had to build and use them before we had the peaceful use of nuclear power. You can’t point at somebody building a better man killer and say that it was inevitable, and that its existence doesn’t promote a certain perspective on the world. A more relatable and obvious example might be tech bros insisting that algorithms are inherently neutral, when they can manifest all sorts of behavior based on their creators’ biases.
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fknlo posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1602113254360162304?s=46&t=yL6UG_Jmeawz4LI1wwZLUw Twitter delenda est.
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People really shouldn’t be using the Qanon chat room anymore imo
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Doing just about anything else is a more ethical choice. How many engineers working for the MIC couldn't find alternate employment? Is it so unreasonable to suggest they could use their talents on something other than killing people more efficiently? Depends on the job imo
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I expect that Elon will blame the “Ukrainian biolabs”, but I would rather he pick a fight with the Chinese or U.S. governments by naming one or both of the other conspiracy darlings, WIV and Fort Detrick.
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Platystemon posted:I expect that Elon will blame the “Ukrainian biolabs”, but I would rather he pick a fight with the Chinese or U.S. governments by naming one or both of the other conspiracy darlings, WIV and Fort Detrick. I would rather he pick a fight with one of his self-driving cars’ autopilot systems while they’re still in the alpha phase.
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bulletsponge13 posted:I find it real hard to get worked up over the morality of conventional weapon design. They are machines, without desire or intent. It just seems like getting worked up just to get worked up. "I find it really hard to get worked up over the morality of conventional weapon design" I say, as I am developing cluster bomblets to look like toys as much as possible.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:I would rather he pick a fight with one of his self-driving cars’ autopilot systems while they’re still in the alpha phase. Just touch the orange wire
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pantslesswithwolves posted:I would rather he pick a fight with one of his self-driving cars’ autopilot systems while they’re still in the alpha phase. Sadly he’d be ineligible for inclusion on this list.
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Dance Officer posted:"I find it really hard to get worked up over the morality of conventional weapon design" I say, as I am developing cluster bomblets to look like toys as much as possible. Ah, yes, the strawman. Bastion of rational, good-faith discussion since time immemorial.
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Dance Officer posted:"I find it really hard to get worked up over the morality of conventional weapon design" I say, as I am developing cluster bomblets to look like toys as much as possible. Whoop whoop Pull up
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Tiny Timbs posted:Nuclear bombs aren’t neutral, they represent a society where the threat of mass destruction is important - nothing said we had to build and use them before we had the peaceful use of nuclear power. Depends on the 'we'. Along with many other implements of violence, they were fundamental, though not individually necessary in enabling South Korean and Chinese peaceful use of nuclear power.
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:Granted this is CT but still. Hell of an expertise I remember seeing a video of this years back. We use these literally a hundred times a day and I guarantee if we tried to put a patient in one with the cover off they’d nope out so fast.
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Lake of Methane posted:https://apnews.com/article/europe-violence-serbia-kosovo-03cd340d0747c4fca92f84e14bffafb1 Do keep me posted if this escalates. I got a cousin working in Serbia, North Macedonia, Montenegro and Bosnia-Herzegovina. (She travels a lot, yes). And I'd like to be just somewhat informed in case my mom comes rushing in talking about her sister being in a panic about my cousin.
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Killed millions eh
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actually if you do some reading you'll find that there is no ethical invention under engineering
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fknlo posted:His case of internet poisoning has gotten pretty severe. https://twitter.com/Gizmodo/status/1602243126017789953?t=t5OiDMTA9BHct-G7_FNHyQ&s=19 Elon's dumb brain is still probably wondering why regular people aren't cheering for him anymore and inviting him to do Rick and Morty cameos anymore. Narcissistic gently caress probably will just retreat into his internet poisoning hole even more, so it ain't gonna get better!
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So, it hasn't been 100% confirmed by scientists yet, but we may have just hit a huge milestone towards workable nuclear fusion power. https://twitter.com/thomas_m_wilson/status/1602011888652632064
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Cythereal posted:So, it hasn't been 100% confirmed by scientists yet, but we may have just hit a huge milestone towards workable nuclear fusion power. I'm still in cautious optimism stage on this one. Apparently some of their measuring equipment was damaged by the reaction at some point. Until I see independent duplication of results I'm skeptical. Still hopeful because fusion power would be awesome.
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Cythereal posted:So, it hasn't been 100% confirmed by scientists yet, but we may have just hit a huge milestone towards workable nuclear fusion power. I understand this is proof of concept, however the following line is hilarious: "The federal Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, which uses a process called inertial confinement fusion that involves bombarding a tiny pellet of hydrogen plasma with the world’s biggest laser, had achieved net energy gain in a fusion experiment in the past two weeks, the people said."
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I mean, even proof of concept that nuclear fusion can be energy positive on Earth in practice would be nice to have. But even if this pans out, the engineering challenges will still be enormous, and workable nuclear fusion decades away.
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Fusion power has been 20 years away for my over 40 years of existence. This is cool tho. Hope it pans out!
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All they have to do is come up with lasers a hundred times as efficient and also heat engines about twice as efficient
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Sending you all light, love and this heartwarming story about Rhodesian Lowtax getting booed to hell and back after Dave Chapelle introduce him onstage. https://twitter.com/SteveGoffman/status/1602229546383728640
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Sending you all light, love and this heartwarming story about Rhodesian Lowtax getting booed to hell and back after Dave Chapelle introduce him onstage. The crowd erupted into a mixture of cheers and boos, before the boos clearly won out, according to footage posted on Twitter. [Update, 6:40 a.m. ET: The footage appears to have been deleted from Twitter for some reason, but you can still watch it below.] Free speech absolutist
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Dance Officer posted:"I find it really hard to get worked up over the morality of conventional weapon design" I say, as I am developing cluster bomblets to look like toys as much as possible. Go slurp poo poo through a dick shaped straw. If you want to discuss my opinion and position, I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with you being a pretentious piece of poo poo and not entering in good faith so you can feel some sort of moral superiority. Guess what? You carry more responsibility for their immoral and criminal use than the designer. It's your money, directly and indirectly that buys the weapons. It's the leadership you support and vote for that decides it's use. You allow them to be used in your name. You think because you are removed from culpability, when you loving aren't. You're a moral coward who runs their mouth in judgement because you didn't directly decide. Those children were killed in your name, just like mine. You are just as much involved in the killing as a weapon designer you are just foolish enough to think that sending people to kill is any different than supporting those who order the killing. E- I know where my moral lie, and where they end. I just don't pretend like this poo poo. bulletsponge13 fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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That Works posted:Free speech absolutist Person probably deleted their account due to the attention / fanboy flood, as it was one of those cell-phone-in-a-case shows that the person snuck in a cell phone for. I haven't seen any other video footage of the thing, which is probably a chunk of why Dave pulled the "hey, look at my rich friend!" poo poo while Elon wants nothing more for professional comedians to find him funny (per NYT), and this will be as far as his replyguy rear end takes him.
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Cythereal posted:So, it hasn't been 100% confirmed by scientists yet, but we may have just hit a huge milestone towards workable nuclear fusion power. NIF isn't really workable proof of Fusion, but its proof that we can likely create net positive energy in a fusion solution. Its exciting data, but it needs to be verified in an actual fusion reactor, where there's still a lot of tech debt to be addresses like containment methods, etc.
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Donnie's special master bullshit and Chudge Eileen Cannon's bullshit is officially over. https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1602312877867765761?t=XT9c_ZBcwMeTb7IXu2iR8Q&s=19 Donnie had a week to appeal the appeals court decision, he didn't, so lol all dead, feds can look at / use everything they seized. End result is a four month waste of whatever. facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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bulletsponge13 posted:Go slurp poo poo through a dick shaped straw. My man. Yeah don't let that fucker phase you.
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Rather than continue my diatribe, I'll add that the A-10 cannon is garbage with low hit probability, so maybe the designers did that to assuage the assholes who feel that designing the weapon, not buying and using it, is the arbiter of morality in warfare. E- I'm not angry. I just find it to be a mark of poor character to act like the society doesn't play a larger role in this than the builder or the trooper. bulletsponge13 fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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It's morally bankrupt that all the engineers throughout the generations designed firearms to remind me of big metal penises. They knew what they were doing...
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bulletsponge13 posted:Rather than continue my diatribe, I'll add that the A-10 cannon is garbage with low hit probability, so maybe the designers did that to assuage the assholes who feel that designing the weapon, not buying and using it, is the arbiter of morality in warfare. ...what? At the rated range its meant to be operated, 80% of the rounds will fall within an 40 foot circle when fired from 4,000 feet (or 1333.333 yards) away. That's pretty accurate, and they designed the weapon specifically to have a bit of dispersion. Its meant to engage at the distance of the 120mm on the Abrams, and the Abrams is on a flat, stabilized platform versus an aircraft that is unstabilized. Its a perfectly accurate weapon for what it was designed to do. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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They were shouting "BOOO-ER, BOOO-ER!"
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The GAU-8 is extremely useful for making dudes on the ground say “hell yeah.” Otherwise, meh, to use it you have to be so low that you’ll likely get popped or damaged enough to abort unless fighting Afghan insurgents armed with AKs, RPGs, and IEDs.
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mlmp08 posted:The GAU-8 is extremely useful for making dudes on the ground say “hell yeah.” Didn't say it was useful. But its laughable to say its not accurate for something designed to spit lead faster than you can think. Its more accurate for Counter Fire/Anti-Missile solutions than as an offensive weapon, which is why it got used in the Goalkeeper CIWS. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Dec 12, 2022 |
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Cythereal posted:So, it hasn't been 100% confirmed by scientists yet, but we may have just hit a huge milestone towards workable nuclear fusion power. NIF has my dream job, that poo poo is so cool.
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CommieGIR posted:Its more accurate for Counter Fire/Anti-Missile solutions than as an offensive weapon, which is why it got used in the Goalkeeper CIWS. My take on Goalkeeper: not great when compared to its competitors and peers.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Sending you all light, love and this heartwarming story about Rhodesian Lowtax getting booed to hell and back after Dave Chapelle introduce him onstage. I have more of an issue with Dave Chappelle sticking up for him by making fun of the people fired from Twitter and the people in the poor seats that he claims all the boos were coming from than I do with how Elon handled the situation.
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