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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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gradenko_2000 posted:the context here is that Russia is not conducting operations on a time-scale where "repositioning a Patriot system takes hours" is going to mean it'll be "easily" knocked-out. Yes absolutely. But the limiting factor here isn't "how long does it take for a giant gently caress-off radar to give itself away after turning on", it's all the other parts. That's all I'm saying.
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Dec 15, 2022 04:42
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im repositioning a patriot right now
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Dec 15, 2022 04:44
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lobster shirt posted:im repositioning a patriot right now Once you roll on site, you have 45 minutes to be able to engage targets or you fail and have to do it again, mister.
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Dec 15, 2022 04:47
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Buks only cost 70 points and are very effective, but the upgrade to the 85 point Buk-M1 is still worth it. Aircraft are so expensive that players only call them in at critical moments, leaving you only a critical moment to shoot them down. The only exception might be if you're playing against some gimmick airborne deck, but even then you're just slightly overpaying for good protection.
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Dec 15, 2022 04:48
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For what it's worth the Telegram rumor is that Ukraine has a critical shortage of S-300 missiles. It seems like a repeat of the M777 thing from the spring, where an ersatz measure in anticipation of the AFU running out of 152mm shells was billed as an expansion of Ukrainian capabilities using high-tech NATO weapons.
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Dec 15, 2022 04:50
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I wonder if there's some reason why you can't say, just have 4 or 5 search radars per missile battery deployed far away enough from each other that any potential ARM launch platform is just going to run out of missiles trying to target all of them. I guess search radars are expensive? Probably compared to what gets spent on civilian stuff, but not in an actual war. Could you mimic the radar signature of a SAM radar cheaply using some kind of transmitter mounted on the back of a truck?
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Dec 15, 2022 04:51
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Buks only cost 70 points and are very effective, but the upgrade to the 85 point Buk-M1 is still worth it. Aircraft are so expensive that players only call them in at critical moments, leaving you only a critical moment to shoot them down. The only exception might be if you're playing against some gimmick airborne deck, but even then you're just slightly overpaying for good protection. All good points, plus it is fun ruining the day of players who fetishize mass airplane raids over slamming you in the face with infantry and artillery.
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Dec 15, 2022 04:54
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Throatwarbler posted:I wonder if there's some reason why you can't say, just have 4 or 5 search radars per missile battery deployed far away enough from each other that any potential ARM launch platform is just going to run out of missiles trying to target all of them. I guess search radars are expensive? Probably compared to what gets spent on civilian stuff, but not in an actual war. Could you mimic the radar signature of a SAM radar cheaply using some kind of transmitter mounted on the back of a truck? Radars are expensive.
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Dec 15, 2022 04:56
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Buks only cost 70 points and are very effective, but the upgrade to the 85 point Buk-M1 is still worth it. Aircraft are so expensive that players only call them in at critical moments, leaving you only a critical moment to shoot them down. The only exception might be if you're playing against some gimmick airborne deck, but even then you're just slightly overpaying for good protection. 
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Dec 15, 2022 05:04
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Radar decoys are/were a thing, but details of how they work and for what systems is likely going to either be vague or about older systems.
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Dec 15, 2022 05:05
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Throatwarbler posted:I wonder if there's some reason why you can't say, just have 4 or 5 search radars per missile battery deployed far away enough from each other that any potential ARM launch platform is just going to run out of missiles trying to target all of them. I guess search radars are expensive? Probably compared to what gets spent on civilian stuff, but not in an actual war. Could you mimic the radar signature of a SAM radar cheaply using some kind of transmitter mounted on the back of a truck? Some larger S-300 sites do have multiple search & engagement radars and a large number of TELS. Even a single battery is often supported by SHORAD systems with their own radars, that are there to protect the SAM site. A proper IADS often supported by airborne radar/ELINT and has fighters on patrol or ready to be scrambled. And yes, IADS can be protected by all kinds of ECM and defensive aids: http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-SAM-DefAids.html
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Dec 15, 2022 05:15
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Buks only cost 70 points and are very effective, but the upgrade to the 85 point Buk-M1 is still worth it. Aircraft are so expensive that players only call them in at critical moments, leaving you only a critical moment to shoot them down. The only exception might be if you're playing against some gimmick airborne deck, but even then you're just slightly overpaying for good protection. Spending points on high value SAMs is pointless. People loving love planes and artillery. It's easier to just use IR SAMs or just get a bunch of those 45 pint kubs to act as ablative SEAD armor and distract players. The only real issue are annoying glide bombers or the paveway.
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Dec 15, 2022 05:17
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just hotkey ur sams and move them now and then so they dont get artied lmao
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Dec 15, 2022 05:21
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Frosted Flake posted:They have some pretty innovative and long range ARMs, having developed them from ASMs, still intending to shoot them at warships. That will keep you on your toes. The real value is using the current opportunity as a live fire testbed.
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Dec 15, 2022 05:59
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lobster shirt posted:im repositioning a patriot right now This is the "I put on my robe and wizard's hat" of 2022.
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Dec 15, 2022 06:20
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lobster shirt posted:im repositioning a patriot right now the joke is that the patriot is your dingus
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Dec 15, 2022 06:21
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Buks only cost 70 points and are very effective, but the upgrade to the 85 point Buk-M1 is still worth it. Aircraft are so expensive that players only call them in at critical moments, leaving you only a critical moment to shoot them down. The only exception might be if you're playing against some gimmick airborne deck, but even then you're just slightly overpaying for good protection. (Plonks down 100 card deck of gold leaf trimmed eurofighters and f35s with integrated networking) I better not lose to a deck of common rarity air defence sites. (Draws first card of bad weather conditions) Well gently caress. (Throws whole deck in air, walks away)
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Dec 15, 2022 06:23
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https://twitter.com/Breege_81/status/1603249385927737347 https://twitter.com/AZurabAZ/status/1603259112124518403
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Dec 15, 2022 06:28
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mlmp08 posted:Tor is a short-range system by every metric. I presumed they meant altitude.
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Dec 15, 2022 06:50
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Frosted Flake posted:It really is the perfect expression too, but I don't think it was a wink from the editor. "Okay Chrystia, you can turn off Goblin Mode now" "But I never turned it on..." "  "
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Dec 15, 2022 07:28
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Lostconfused posted:https://twitter.com/Breege_81/status/1603249385927737347 some context chief?
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Dec 15, 2022 09:04
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Tankbuster posted:some context chief? Donetsk got hit by artillery again. Bit heavier than usual in that it's 40 grad rockets.
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Dec 15, 2022 09:20
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Throatwarbler posted:Could you mimic the radar signature of a SAM radar cheaply using some kind of transmitter mounted on the back of a truck? anything capable of making the same emissions as a given radar might as well just be a full backup of that radar because you already did the expensive part
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Dec 15, 2022 09:24
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imagine giving a single poo poo about the fate of the ukrainian state
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Dec 15, 2022 09:26
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The thing with S-300 and Patriot, compared to say the Buk, is that they do have much more capable radars even if the missile isn't leagues ahead in performance, and they are supposed to form the backbone and rear line centerpiece of an ADN and they are always supported by more short range systems and radars, of course they aren't going it alone. Still, they are vulnerable if they can be pushed by overwhelming force and the fact that they take so long to deploy and redeploy is actually an issue, they are rear echelon systems for a reason. Even the Russians have been losing their own S-300s to strikes, which imo does not bode well for the Ukrainian position on the matter. Nominally you would have your own air cover to aid these systems and while Ukraine is technically still able to deploy some MiG's they are doing so in an very limited capacity and with outdated semi-active munitions, and this puts them in a bad situation because without reliable air cover these systems can be picked apart by dedicated SEAD sorties from the edges, and the Russians very good long range air to air missiles can threaten a response from the UAF with relative safety. Losing them would be a big deal, less because of the firepower and more because of the advanced warning and information they provide. Having to rely on shorter range systems alone would not give you a lot of time to respond to a threat, and even just a degradation in coverage is a large problem as a technically active but widely dispersed ADN would open you up to being picked apart piecemeal. Of course it might also just be possible that American AWACS coverage is doing a lot to make up the difference even now. Apparently these batteries are being talked up like they're probably just going to be in the middle of the country shooting at cruise missiles, so we will see how it plays out. It will be months before they are deployed anyway, and a lot can happen in that time. I don't know poo poo about the finer details of radars or their countermeasures, but I did find it curious there where more known vulnerabilities to the Patriot system. Presumably the Russians know everything they need to about targeting S-300s but if the capabilities of the patriot are more or less understood I imagine that could be an issue. Still, yeah geolocation is not a targeting capability and these targets are actually pretty small, I don't know if the Russians can actually effectively engage them with cruise missile strikes (or if that is something they can even realistically coordinate), presumably they would need to risk aircraft sorties on site to assist in in targeting and baiting the systems online, so whatever it would be I imagine the only scenario where that is happening is in a dedicated push or advance on the ground. I can't recall my sources but apparently it is understood that in the first week of the operation the Russians destroyed a significant chunk of the Ukrainian ADN overall, mostly in the south, and the technological disparity in Russian jamming and ECM burn through was a serious issue. After that, information is very sparce presumably because these operations are so critical to both armies and nobody want's to give up their tricks or publicize their vulnerabilities, but given the degree of success in the early stages in the war I'm not sure that the Russians are actually incapable of performing SEAD operations anymore compared to operating under a guideline of risk management and force preservation for a larger operation later down the road. There are rumors that they have actually been slowly attiring away the Ukrainian ADN, and that these patriots are a response to losses in S-300s and more than just babysitting cities from cruise missile strikes. We aren't likely to know any of this though until/unless something major happens that makes the situation more obvious to observers though. So if the Russians are slowly grinding away at the network, or sitting on their hands because they can't do anything, we're probably not really going to be able to tell unless something on the ground happens that gives the situation away. Personally, it looks to me that the Russians are erring on the side of force preservation because there is little to be gained with a major air offensive alone and their available assets are fairly limited (they may be trying to ramp up and stockpile enough of the PGM's and anti-radiation missiles they're reputedly lacking to actually sustain the air offensive), and I think if they actually start to go on the offensive on the ground again, you will see a stark and sudden escalation in sorties in combination with the attacks like in the initial stages of the war. Or they'll just be camping in Donetsk for the next year twitting their thumbs. 
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Dec 15, 2022 09:29
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Danann posted:Donetsk got hit by artillery again. drat sure hope we find out how bad the damage is. Hope not too many civilians died. I fully expect the news to report on a civilian city center being hit by heavy artillery.
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Dec 15, 2022 09:33
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Vomik posted:while generally the eu is a colony of the us - nazism and fascism in europe predates the rise of the us as the western leader True. Plenty of homegrown nazism and fascism in the US predates the rise of the US as the western leader as well. Furthermore, when there were some pivotal moments in which public opinion in Europe was very much anti-fascist and people might actually take rigorous action to do something about it, it the US played a key role to prevent that from happening. Europe today is very much what the US has made of it. To Europeans' eternal shame. Like Americans can tuttut all they want about the stains of European history, but at least Europe had some communist revolutions. People here were, at various times, ready to move on to the next stage of history. Let me know if the US ever gets there.
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Dec 15, 2022 10:07
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like what was the EU project even for? Was it just to make the US running it into the ground that much easier? Was it ever its own thing?
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Dec 15, 2022 10:16
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https://twitter.com/Gernot_Koepke/status/1602316624258031617/photo/1
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Dec 15, 2022 10:17
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gradenko_2000 posted:Text 1 says that NATO/The West is approaching the conflict in Ukraine from the perspective of inflicting so many casualties on Russia that eventually Russia will have to sue for peace, but they don't actually know if Russian "national psychology" operates in a way that would make this a feasible approach, or even if Russia is actually taking enough losses for this approach to be bearing results. lol at going from "Arsenal of Democracy" to whatever this grifty shitshow is. Eisenhower had no idea of the sheer magnitude of idiocy he was warning about. Frosted Flake posted:And who built the Czech heavy and arms industry, Škoda Works and the rest...? Who passed the torch to the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic..? FF has never seen a Catholic empire he didn't like.
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Dec 15, 2022 10:20
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so that's House Liao on the left, and I can see the Lyran Commonwealth, but where's House Davion?
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Dec 15, 2022 10:31
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thank u. i actually read text 1-3 before I skipped ahead so next time just sum up the bits I didn't read namaste
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Dec 15, 2022 10:33
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Regarde Aduck posted:like what was the EU project even for? Was it just to make the US running it into the ground that much easier? Was it ever its own thing? it seems like an unsuccessful attempt to get out of the US shadow to me. or maybe a successful attempt for Germany to dominate the rest of the continent using financial sorcery.
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Dec 15, 2022 10:35
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crepeface posted:it seems like an unsuccessful attempt to get out of the US shadow to me. or maybe a successful attempt for Germany to dominate the rest of the continent using financial sorcery. The European elite never saw the US as a threat whose shadow they needed to get out from. Except maybe DeGaulle. So the EU can't be that.
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Dec 15, 2022 10:44
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Orange Devil posted:The European elite never saw the US as a threat whose shadow they needed to get out from. they're right.
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Dec 15, 2022 10:46
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i can see it being a German project to dominate considering that's mainly what they used it for and i guess with all the US influence in Germany they were like 'yeah cool, consolidate all those losers for us'.
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Dec 15, 2022 10:47
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gradenko_2000 posted:so that's House Liao on the left, and I can see the Lyran Commonwealth, but where's House Davion? Got kicked out of the Sarna March and trying to reorganize after the civil war.
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Dec 15, 2022 10:48
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the european and american bourgeoisie identify as neither european nor american, but simply as bourgeois.
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Dec 15, 2022 10:49
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Zodium posted:the european and american bourgeoisie identify as neither european nor american, but simply as bourgeois. yes but i can see the american bourgeoisie deciding its an exclusive club
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Orange Devil posted:lol at going from "Arsenal of Democracy" to whatever this grifty shitshow is. Eisenhower had no idea of the sheer magnitude of idiocy he was warning about. Hoo boy, that must make the Investiture Controversy tough for you, FF.
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