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Yeah the award travel counts toward status thing is a little wacky. They must be trying to draw down some big mileage liabilities hanging out there.
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How much did you need to spend to hit it or whatever?
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Dec 13, 2022 13:50
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My 2up boss didn't think I needed the punishment of a 2-stop trip home so I just spunked another $2k on a ticket via Paris. Insane ticket prices. This always happens when this conference goes to smaller cities, everything booked solid and everyone flying business on the company card.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Yeah the award travel counts toward status thing is a little wacky. They must be trying to draw down some big mileage liabilities hanging out there. I thought it was just to get demand back up... I have so many goddamned SkyMiles now but no actual time to use them on trips. I'm going to start trying to buy upgrades / stuff for family to burn them down before they get devalued again. I'm even considering throwing the ~100K or whatever for an executive membership because I have 1.3 million and I'll make that back by February next year in two flights.
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Dec 14, 2022 21:50
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AA loving with the loyalty point poo poo again: https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-airlines-loyalty-point-rewards-devaluations/amp/ Now making Plat or EP isn’t enough to get the free perks, gotta go to 175k/250k to get them moving forward
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movax posted:I thought it was just to get demand back up... I have so many goddamned SkyMiles now but no actual time to use them on trips. I'm going to start trying to buy upgrades / stuff for family to burn them down before they get devalued again. I am a little annoyed as I have to juggle between GUCs, skyclub, and GM for my wife. Not enough choice benefits to go around anymore.
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Dec 15, 2022 18:53
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Be gone, segment requirements. Pretty decent changes overall, I’m surprised they’re outlining that high of LPs.
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Anza Borrego posted:AA loving with the loyalty point poo poo again: Given the scope of the change, I'm not sure they'd need to tinker with it once they actually see how the chips fell.
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Ugh AA breaking my heart. Honestly no way I hit that kind of points spend unless I use it in lieu of my corporate AMEX. I would have easily qualed as plat this year on the old system but definitely did not hit the new weird loyalty points threshold. I’ll probably never hit exp ever again since my company has really tightened up on work travel and completely blocked any international trips post lockdown. I’m considering switching to United since I’m ORD based, but I use the LGA every half hour shuttle so often…
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Clients and I are stoked that the SWUs are back without minimum segments. They love fighting to use them for friends / whoever vs just using their wealth to buy them an upgrade from the jump, but what do I know? The segment warriors are just from a previous era unfortunately. The world has passed them by. I feel bad for y’all. sellouts fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Dec 16, 2022 |
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Yep, based on my segment warrior/GSA fare travel this year, I earned on average 435 AA loyalty points per segment, with no status tier (my pre-Covid Platinum expired in March, right as travel was picking up again for me). So hitting 40K loyalty points for Gold with no current status would require 92 segments, lol. The loyalty points being subject to the multiplier is honestly what annoys me the most, since it makes it harder to earn the status initially than to keep it. At least the current fiscal year GSA city pairs have me mostly flying Delta to most of my destinations (who I still have been able to keep some status on) but who knows who I’ll be flying after 30 September.
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I was on a DL segment warrior pace earlier in the year but it looks like I’ll wind up at just 103. I live at a Delta focus city and most of my flights don’t have connections. 
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I like the gift EXP being public but now that it’s guaranteed at a clear threshold and EXP is a tough mountain to climb, I wonder what people will pay for it. It was always that “secret” CK benefit only given to some folks previously
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P.D.B. Fishsticks posted:Yep, based on my segment warrior/GSA fare travel this year, I earned on average 435 AA loyalty points per segment, with no status tier (my pre-Covid Platinum expired in March, right as travel was picking up again for me). So hitting 40K loyalty points for Gold with no current status would require 92 segments, lol. It feels so terrible no matter which mainline carrier people choose now. UA is saturated with corporate travellers from their mega hubs in the biggest cities. DL has all the corporate contracts and loyal fliers. And AA would have all the leftovers but they just blew up their frequent flyer program for something I still can't really wrap my head around, seemingly to reward just credit card spenders. I get the gamification aspect but I've never seen the programs be so complicated ever. Are passengers actually happy with this? Is this driving behavior the airlines want?
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i fly airplanes posted:It feels so terrible no matter which mainline carrier people choose now. It drives ancillary revenue, a narcotic to which airline executives are hopelessly addicted. It's not about loyalty anymore.
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My understanding of the AA program makes it seem easier than ever. Spend about 18k on AA flights, get exp. I guess it’s a little more complex if you are starting from 0 due to the multiplyer but that looks like to me, numbers are approx because math) $6k to get to gold from no status first year $12430 approx to get to plat from no status first year $18660 to get to pplat from no status first year $27160 to get to exp from no status first year No mileage requirement, minimum segments, etc. But someone please correct me if they’re wrong. Once you’re exp spend $18k the next year to keep it and don’t spend more than $6500 per ticket. I think the credit card spend is really a gimmick for the lower tiers of traveler, but I don’t have the data on how much the average person spends on their Aviator Mastercard or how many businesses use it to fund company purchases. I dislike AA for many reasons but the program simplified to whoever spends the most with AA gets the most status and I generally understand that policy and probably agree with it. I do feel bad and understand the position of folks who do short flights every week & don’t pay much per tickets though, I just flat couldn’t do that anymore as a grind. .This change also gives me the freedom if we ever lost CK that I could easily make EXP just by the travel I can control and if clients insist on other airlines, more charters, whatever I’m not worried about hitting the spend. sellouts fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Dec 18, 2022 |
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sellouts posted:
As a counterpoint, people who are spending thousands on a ticket already get what little "benefits" status can grant on those flights. If I'm a paid F purchaser I'm buying on schedule and service, not to get 10k flight pesos. I'd think that the point of the program would be to turn the hundreds of thousands of marginal flight purchasers to your airline over the competitors, as full flights drive bigger schedules in a virtuous cycle. Only a few fliers can move a flight from a loss to a decent little profit. Especially if all I have to give to make the sale is a wine split or letting them on the plane 2 minutes earlier. I suspect now CC revenue is so lucrative that it's overpowered whatever other business objectives could be had. Pareto principal is a challenge for many executives.
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This seems the most likely; it wasn't that long ago that the flight attendants were walking the aisles brandishing cc signup forms shortly after takeoff.
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Midjack posted:This seems the most likely; it wasn't that long ago that the flight attendants were walking the aisles brandishing cc signup forms shortly after takeoff. That’s been happening for years and is still a thing.
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Anza Borrego posted:That’s been happening for years and is still a thing. Right, and they wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't free money for the airline.
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FunOne posted:As a counterpoint, people who are spending thousands on a ticket already get what little "benefits" status can grant on those flights. If I'm a paid F purchaser I'm buying on schedule and service, not to get 10k flight pesos. The exec plat line is the best benefit imo. It doesn’t matter what cabin you’ve paid for when it goes sideways and you need to grab what remaining inventory there is. Also that’s why we consolidate travel to AA for our clients. Schedule and service yes, but service extends to my ability to fix a problem if not before it happens as quickly after it happens as possible. That’s where status comes in. Obviously CK even more so than exp but exp still has better agents than the general line. sellouts fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Dec 18, 2022 |
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Midjack posted:This seems the most likely; it wasn't that long ago that the flight attendants were walking the aisles brandishing cc signup forms shortly after takeoff. It’s worse and more intrusive than ever.
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i fly airplanes posted:It feels so terrible no matter which mainline carrier people choose now. Personally, I'm surprised how many people are still traveling for business post-pandemic. I guess I'm biased since I'm in tech but ever since covid WfH with Teams, Zoom, Slack, etc. has pretty much entirely removed the need for the majority of my business travel. With all the benefits going away too... it's becoming less attractive, but I do wonder are Asian or European airlines any better?
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Personally, I'm surprised how many people are still traveling for business post-pandemic. I guess I'm biased since I'm in tech but ever since covid WfH with Teams, Zoom, Slack, etc. has pretty much entirely removed the need for the majority of my business travel. I do certification classes for adults and looking over our numbers, we find online learning doesn't produce the same level of successful outcome as in person classes. We aren't planning to get rid of online classes, and we're holding off in person classes till after Feb since it looks we're looking at a new COVID spike, but for us, it doesn't do as well. So I'm back on the road teaching.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Personally, I'm surprised how many people are still traveling for business post-pandemic. I guess I'm biased since I'm in tech but ever since covid WfH with Teams, Zoom, Slack, etc. has pretty much entirely removed the need for the majority of my business travel. It's a lot of leisure travel right now, which is also why lounges are so crowded. The travel mix is different and more profitable than ever. I am likely going to ditch Delta. I just had to spend an hour for Sky Priority check in at LAX to drop bags off because of international and doc check. Delta One section wouldn't take my lowly Diamond Million Miler bum because it's not a Delta One route. It just doesn't make sense to fly DL as a top tier elite when UA has separate Premier 1K and AA has Flagship check-in. Asian and European carriers are better (notwithstanding the continuous strikes and meltdowns in Europe) but they won't fly you domestically.
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i fly airplanes posted:I am likely going to ditch Delta. I just had to spend an hour for Sky Priority check in at LAX to drop bags off because of international and doc check. This is frustrating to hear. I would be careful hitching up to AA. I can’t see Flagship First check in surviving when they’re cutting Flagship First as a product and I also can’t see them opening it up to all Flagship Business and having it be worthwhile. I don’t like the idea of add ons for premium, paid cabins but I know that I’d pay for Flagship First check in for clients that don’t have Private Suite.
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I've never really had to wait at LAX priority. I've done AA Flagship First checkin at LAX and while it looks cool and impressive, functionally it's just two desks. The capacity could easily get overwhelmed if you had a bunch of people checking in at once.
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Yeah, moving to the front of the precheck line is nice as well
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-incredible-37-page-guide-for-staffing-sen-kyrsten-sinemaquote:The staffing memo makes clear that Sinema keeps a robust travel schedule for fundraising, official business, and personal commitments. The section on how to book her airplane seats are among the document’s most elaborate:
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I agree with KS. Also wow if I were a sitting member of congress I’d want CK.
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CK? Googled but got nowhere Separately, If it doesn't seem douchey to say, some of you sound like your jobs are pretty cool. If any of you might need help with one of your ventures, I am comfortable with air travel and like keeping my eyes open towards opportunities. I'm around ORD. e: VVVV Thank you, I am just a proletarian. 
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^^^ American Concierge Key Yeah, I don't see a problem with any of that and I have just stolen it to use as my own work travel profile.
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Motronic posted:Yeah, I don't see a problem with any of that and I have just stolen it to use as my own work travel profile. 
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That's the most human take Kyrsten Sinema has had in a long rear end time.
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Oh yeah I agree all those sound like reasonable preferences. Decently concise way of summarizing it for repeatable bookings too, so it's a good guide.
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Any preferences for going to Milan that people are aware of? I’m based out of LAX and am a delta flyer so trying to do this on one connection if I can and have the rare opportunity to book business on this.
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Delta via jfk. 767 on all legs If La Premiere was an option on Air France I’d say maybe but euro business is dreadful. What time of year?
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Euro business sucks, but the flight from CDG, ZRH or FRA is an hour and you'd get an overall shorter flight time and a much longer red eye leg. You can also fly into LIN instead of MXP which is way closer to the city. asur fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Dec 24, 2022 |
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80 min connection at cdg worries me a bit because it’s cdg and who knows who’s on strike or what random delays there will be. LIN is a real good call if that’s close to where you want to be (it probably is)
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sellouts posted:Delta via jfk. 767 on all legs January (I honestly can’t believe our client is having us out for this poo poo) I’m used to a bunch of domestic at this point, but the code-sharing deals make it seem like my best bet is just to do this and hit the Delta on a single jump. Our travel policy is “business on anything over 6 hours” so I don’t mind leaving from a domestic airport for the long haul if it’s direct.
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