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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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lobotomy molo posted:i'm just now catching up on blowback season 3, and god drat the US of A: i dont know what to tell you. communists come from the masses. to root out communism you have to kill the masses 
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lobotomy molo posted:i'm just now catching up on blowback season 3, and god drat the US of A: Ah but have you considered the game of domino's?
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Dec 16, 2022 20:09
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:i dont know what to tell you. communists come from the masses. to root out communism you have to kill the masses The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of innocent peasants, just the way it is. 
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Dec 16, 2022 20:11
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how many waves of mobilization has it been now for Ukraine? or have they ever stopped grabbing people up from the cities and shipping them out east at any point? I have to say I haven't been overly impressed with the performance of the initial million man army, hopefully this one is a bit more effective. How long the youth of Ukraine going to put up with getting trucked off to die in a pointless war who's only goal is to subjugate some provinces that are full of people who don't want to live under the Ukrainian regime?
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Dec 16, 2022 20:38
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I believe this is the eighth wave of mobilization.
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Dec 16, 2022 20:41
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Starsfan posted:how many waves of mobilization has it been now for Ukraine? or have they ever stopped grabbing people up from the cities and shipping them out east at any point? The question is also how many are they getting with any military experience or are they down to raw recruits that have to be trained from essentially nothing? There has been a push to open up more training in NATO countries which seems to suggest they are getting raw recruits and shipping them out of country to try to make up their losses. It is also a question is the if they are able to recoup their losses fast enough. As for the Ukrainian public, it is pretty debatable about what is going on. There is very little on what actual Ukrainians think at this point.
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Dec 16, 2022 20:45
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https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1603739227178549249
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Dec 16, 2022 20:48
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Ardennes posted:As for the Ukrainian public, it is pretty debatable about what is going on. There is very little on what actual Ukrainians think at this point. This is six weeks old, but a lot better than a statement from a Ukrainian govt public affairs official: https://news.gallup.com/poll/403133/ukrainians-support-fighting-until-victory.aspx
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Dec 16, 2022 20:52
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Ardennes posted:There has been a push to open up more training in NATO countries which seems to suggest they are getting raw recruits and shipping them out of country to try to make up their losses. From what I understand the special training program that was going to be happening in NATO countries was more to build another force of commando types to do these offensives with.. I guess they've built their offensives on sending a bunch of guys in pickup trucks whipping around back roads and getting in behind the Russian militias holding the fronts ISIS style - I guess the idea being that this swarming stlye of offensive makes it tough for the Russians to respond effectively with their huge advantages in artillery, air support and tanks. It's been reported that their original strike forces were kind of fought out though after Kharkiv and Kherson and required reinforcement / replacement before any more offensives could be contemplated. I think these poor souls that are rounded up are being shipped out straight to Bakhmut to try and hold on to that little piece of real estate, although I guess it could also be possible that Ukraine is getting increasingly worried about a Russian offensive pushing south out of Belarus and want to shore up the numbers in the west.
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Dec 16, 2022 20:52
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Starsfan posted:From what I understand the special training program that was going to be happening in NATO countries was more to build another force of commando types to do these offensives with.. I guess they've built their offensives on sending a bunch of guys in pickup trucks whipping around back roads and getting in behind the Russian militias holding the fronts ISIS style - I guess the idea being that this swarming stlye of offensive makes it tough for the Russians to respond effectively with their huge advantages in artillery, air support and tanks. It's been reported that their original strike forces were kind of fought out though after Kharkiv and Kherson and required reinforcement / replacement before any more offensives could be contemplated. The British at least were training regular army, and the Poles are probably as well, but the raw recruits will probably be used as simply frontline forces to hold territory. There does seem to be growing concern at the army amassing north of Kiev. The big debate is would the Russians actually go after Kiev or instead attack west of it cutting it and that section of Ukraine off from the West while pushing in the east. It is going to be about numbers, and the Russians do need a 3 to 1 advantage if they want to quickly take territory but at the same time the Ukrainians seem set on defending everything which is going to spread out their forces. mlmp08 posted:This is six weeks old, but a lot better than a statement from a Ukrainian govt public affairs official: https://news.gallup.com/poll/403133/ukrainians-support-fighting-until-victory.aspx The poll is from early September, that is over 3 months old and during a period when they were on the offensive. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 21:00 on Dec 16, 2022 |
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Dec 16, 2022 20:57
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mlmp08 posted:This is six weeks old, but a lot better than a statement from a Ukrainian govt public affairs official: https://news.gallup.com/poll/403133/ukrainians-support-fighting-until-victory.aspx this is definitely closer to realistic numbers than the 90+% support stuff floating around quote:Gallup collected these data Sept. 2-11 across all regions of Ukraine, including the Donbas, as the country's military successfully retook swathes of Russian-held territory but before the recent retaliatory missile attacks across the country.
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Dec 16, 2022 20:59
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speng31b posted:this is definitely closer to realistic numbers than the 90+% support stuff floating around Yeah, if was 70/26 during a relatively rosy period of the conflict, it may be closer together now. Again, making a statement requires more current data.
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Dec 16, 2022 21:01
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i wonder if you'll see a backlash against gallup for reporting something that's not just 99% favorable
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Dec 16, 2022 21:07
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Ukraine is winning so much one has to wonder what they're doing with all the money and weapons they're getting
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Dec 16, 2022 21:19
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ukraine is winning so hard that they sell off the guns and burn their own infrastructure out of a sense of sportsmanship
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Dec 16, 2022 21:21
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Regarde Aduck posted:Ukraine is winning so much one has to wonder what they're doing with all the money and weapons they're getting I do wonder at some point if the narrative that the Russians are vastly out numbered by a force with superior training and better equipment (to the point it's not even really comparable in any way to the trash the Russians are using) with the full financial backing of the entire NATO alliance wraps around back to bite the west. If the Russians can prevail against such impossible odds - and we were told time and again that the war was lost for Russia after the first week and there's no realistic way they can ever win - what does that imply if they do end up winning the war? I mean I know what will actually happen is any peace settlement short of the full and permanent annexation of the entirety of the country of Ukraine will be portrayed as a spectacular victory for the west and Ukraine and the news / commentators just won't talk about the obvious failings and lessons learned along the way, but it's fun to think about.
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Dec 16, 2022 21:26
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 "i don't care if i freeze to death if it means helping ukraine" "think! i don't care if you freeze to death either"
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Dec 16, 2022 21:29
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Starsfan posted:I do wonder at some point if the narrative that the Russians are vastly out numbered by a force with superior training and better equipment (to the point it's not even really comparable in any way to the trash the Russians are using) with the full financial backing of the entire NATO alliance wraps around back to bite the west. If the Russians can prevail against such impossible odds - and we were told time and again that the war was lost for Russia after the first week and there's no realistic way they can ever win - what does that imply if they do end up winning the war? I mean some online weirdos might ask some questions but lets be honest it will not go very far as everyone will be too busy celebrating Ukraine's grand victory of technically still existing. NATO arms completely eradicated the Russians to the point they were forced to take Eastern Ukraine.
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Dec 16, 2022 21:55
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The real answer is that it doesn't matter what Ukrainians think, and never did. As long as the west keeps sending money and guns the kiev government and the army will keep fighting.
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Dec 16, 2022 22:08
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Lostconfused posted:The real answer is that it doesn't matter what Ukrainians think, and never did. As long as the west keeps sending money and guns the kiev government and the army will keep fighting. right
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Dec 16, 2022 22:11
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Lostconfused posted:The real answer is that it doesn't matter what Ukrainians think, and never did. As long as the west keeps sending money and guns the kiev government and the army will keep fighting. That mean they will hold on to territory though especially if that cash and arms start slipping. If the Russians can push back the Ukrainians to core nationalist eras in the West, it is probably acceptable to them even if the AFU still exists. But public sentiment does matter as it is going to create issues with morale: the ANA and ARVN got plenty of arms and funding but when push came to shove they didn't last long (the ANA took the all-time record). You can have arms but if the guys in the trenches just refuse to fight it doesn't really matter except for giving a bunch of goodies to the other side. It is why the Ukrainians need to crow about huge upcoming counter-offensives; they need to show the public (and therefore conscripts) that the war is winnable. speng31b posted:right ...if they can keep morale up quote:In the summer of 1974, Nixon resigned under the pressure of the Watergate scandal and was succeeded by Gerald Ford. With the war growing incredibly unpopular at home, combined with a severe economic recession and mounting budget deficits, Congress cut funding to South Vietnam for the upcoming fiscal year from 1 billion to 700 million dollars. Historians have attributed the fall of Saigon in 1975 to the cessation of American aid along with the growing disenchantment of the South Vietnamese people and the rampant corruption and incompetence of South Vietnam political leaders and ARVN general staff. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:19 on Dec 16, 2022 |
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Dec 16, 2022 22:15
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Russia would need to go on an offensive first though. Throwing people into ditches and letting them get shelled is good enough for what's happening right now. And Ukraine still has parts of their regular army that Russia will have to fight at some point. Morale will tip the scales but I doubt it's going to decide how things go. Ukrainian government delayed mobilizing women by a year, maybe they'll need them by then.
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Dec 16, 2022 22:22
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Honestly I'm not sure if Ukraine will even have enough meat on its bones by the time this is over to have plundering what they still have access to to even equate to what they were extracting pre war. All in all this seems to have exhausted them without actually providing much more profit (because if there was more to make from MIC finding they'd be doing it, and now they have to hypothetically reduce that profit due to pressure to make enough material to keep the peons under their thumb).
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Dec 16, 2022 22:31
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Did anyone bother translating Girkin's update from yesterday because lol? I am not going to bother, but the last paragraph is the one that counts imo Стрелков Игорь Иванович posted:General conclusion:
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Dec 16, 2022 22:32
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:i dont know what to tell you. communists come from the masses. to root out communism you have to kill the masses douglas macarthur:
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Dec 16, 2022 22:38
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Lostconfused posted:Russia would need to go on an offensive first though. I doubt mobilizing women is going to help morale at all to be honest. It is true the Russians are going to need to attack but at the same time if the Ukrainians are truely running out of troops and replacing them with green conscripts; it going to help if morale starts dropping. Strategic bombing very clearly has a psychological effect, it isn't enough on its own usually but there is very much a ground war compotent. Lostconfused posted:Did anyone bother translating Girkin's update from yesterday because lol? Isn't that pretty much all he posts even when Russian forces are on the offensive? Russia is losing unless they are in Kiev and even then the war is hopeless etc etc...
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Dec 16, 2022 22:39
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Gallup: "Gallup collected these data Sept. 2-11 across all regions of Ukraine," Notably excludes Crimea. Gallup are obviously fascist tankie scum.
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Dec 16, 2022 22:42
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Dec 16, 2022 22:53
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Ardennes posted:Isn't that pretty much all he posts even when Russian forces are on the offensive? Russia is losing unless they are in Kiev and even then the war is hopeless etc etc...  Now he is just complaining that someone is wasting time building that defensive line and not doing any sort of offensive operation.
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Dec 16, 2022 23:23
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Lostconfused posted:It's not that it's hopeless, he just wants the Russian forces to encircle the Ukrainian army and destroy it like some HoI gamer move. He complained once that they didn't go for it with that breakthrough around Kiev at the start. he's right. doing that instead of zerg rushing kiev would have been a much better decision
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Dec 16, 2022 23:40
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https://mobile.twitter.com/DemsK716/status/1603882308783570944 look on the bright side that means new investment opportunities 
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Dec 16, 2022 23:43
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Raskolnikov38 posted:he's right. doing that instead of zerg rushing kiev would have been a much better decision It would have been more productive but to be honest, the Russians would have still run out of gas with the forces they committed. As far pushing offensives as fast as possible now, it clearly isn’t the play.
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Dec 17, 2022 00:01
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lobotomy molo posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/DemsK716/status/1603882308783570944 When all of this is finished and revealed they'll still say ah well it was the only real move at the time
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Dec 17, 2022 00:09
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Can't acknowledge that you might have done things differently even knowing it was a mistake after the fact
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Dec 17, 2022 00:10
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That meeting will have more impact on the next year than anything that happens in the UN.
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Dec 17, 2022 00:16
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Ardennes posted:As for the Ukrainian public, it is pretty debatable about what is going on. There is very little on what actual Ukrainians think at this point. It's very simple. The Ukraine public fully support any and all measures no matter the cost. Anyone who acts or says otherwise gets disappeared, including anyone who might simply voice a slightly different opinion.
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Dec 17, 2022 00:20
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Lostconfused posted:The real answer is that it doesn't matter what Ukrainians think, and never did. As long as the west keeps sending money and guns the kiev government and the army will keep fighting. Kind of the whole point of the coup, really
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Dec 17, 2022 00:25
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DancingShade posted:It's very simple. The Ukraine public fully support any and all measures no matter the cost. Anyone who acts or says otherwise gets disappeared, including anyone who might simply voice a slightly different opinion. it worked out great for south vietnam
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Dec 17, 2022 00:33
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AFU showing it's appreciation towards Germany by painting their symbols on their BMPs https://twitter.com/Militarylandnet/status/1603777511535841280
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Dec 17, 2022 00:40
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Things seem going alright in Ukraine tbh. People just living life https://i.imgur.com/eIvGcHh.mp4
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