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finished sonic frontiers. it sucked. two thumbs up
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it whips rear end and i hope sonic can count on everyone's support on the goty thread
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Dec 17, 2022 00:19
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On PC the mod manager has a built-in cheat for removing the frame limiter. Feels great.
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Dec 17, 2022 02:41
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Finished Prime. Mildly spoilery thoughts on it and the franchise as a whole: OK so something I noticed while watching Prime is that they made the *very* smart move of having most of the series take place in a set of pocket dimensions with alternative versions of the main cast. It's an incredibly good decision because it allows the writers to actually do interesting things that they otherwise couldn't. It made me realize (again) just how much of a burden the existing continuity/status quo is to the franchise. To put it bluntly, the overarching continuity adds little value, but creates a TON of restrictions a writer needs to work around when creating a game or show. There's no MCU style event being built to, yet writers are still constantly forced to work around narrative decisions made for games developed for the Dreamcast. For example, in Prime I'm really liking sad edgy boy And this franchise has a TON of baggage like this that's holding it back too. Sorry but Rouge the Bat is a bad character and her being around hasn't made sense since she stopped being a double agent for the president of the United States (wtf even is this franchise jfc...). I know some of you love Orbot and Cubot but God drat do I find them painfully unfunny and largely pointless beyond giving Eggman somebody to exposition dump to. And then there's Amy, who I could spend several pages ripping into for constantly being the worst part of any game she's in. There's also gameplay elements (rings laying around that aren't explained or justified) and environmental design decisions (random loops in the middle of a field) that don't make sense in a non-video game context but none the less need to be worked into things like the comics or show to keep the franchise feeling consistent. If things didn't have to take place in the same continuity these elements could be dropped or reworked to better serve a new story or medium. But because Sega insists on making every game be in the same universe we're doomed forever to not only see Charmy The God drat Bee five hundred more times but for it to be the exact same version of the character without any changes or updates. Which is... frustrating. Because as Prime is demonstrating there's definitely a lot of potential in the franchise when the people in charge aren't tied to using the same exact bullshit forever. I guess what I'm saying is PLEASE Sega, take a page from the Zelda franchise and just let each game/show/etc be it's own weird unique story. I know you got burned with the whole Archie comics thing but the creative stagnation is holding you back so, so much. readingatwork fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Dec 17, 2022 |
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Dec 17, 2022 05:50
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Weird that I agree wholeheartedly with your first sentence and vehemently disagree with every one thereafter
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Dec 17, 2022 06:28
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Anyone who hates Amy should be permabanned immediately
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Dec 17, 2022 06:29
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I agree that continuity is kinda lame and unncecessary for a series like Sonic but also I really doubt the games have ever been constrained by need to maintain a true canon
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Dec 17, 2022 06:36
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kirbysuperstar posted:Anyone who hates Amy should be permabanned immediately been hearing more and more people say this
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Dec 17, 2022 07:34
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readingatwork posted:Sorry but Rouge the Bat is a bad character gently caress you
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Dec 17, 2022 08:01
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Augus posted:gently caress you
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Dec 17, 2022 08:19
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amy ftw
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Dec 17, 2022 08:19
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Ms. Unsmiley posted:amy ftw
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Dec 17, 2022 08:28
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The greatest Sonic Crime of the last twenty years is that they didn't make Amy playable in Mania or Origins.
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Dec 17, 2022 08:47
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Amy has a big hammer, therefore she is cool
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Dec 17, 2022 09:31
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"Continuity is a curse" is a bizarre sentiment to have about this series in particular given how little they've cared about it for the last 20 years.
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Seriously, that post contained so much wrong with it I don't know where to begin. "Continuity is a curse" is exactly what Sega believed from 2010 until the release of Frontiers and it didn't make the games stories any better, it just meant at their best they were forgettable or barely had a plot (Colors, Generations) and at their worst produced wildly inconsistent and terrible plots for the games that is as bad as Shadow and 06, just in a different way (Lost World, Forces).
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Dec 17, 2022 11:01
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"Continuity is a curse" you say after the most recent and fairly well-received Sonic game was loaded with continuity nods.
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readingatwork posted:Finished Prime. Mildly spoilery thoughts on it and the franchise as a whole: I'm so glad you don't work at Sega cuz holy gently caress would I hate it if they did what you suggest here.
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Dec 17, 2022 14:13
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how can amy be the worst part of every game shes in shes been in like 2 games in any sort of prominent way oh no! amy was in sa2 for five minutes! shes ruined it
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Dec 17, 2022 14:31
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list of amy appearances: sonic cd: is a sprite thats onscreen for 2 seconds sonic adventure: is kind of boring but is better than big sa2: is in three cutscenes sonic heroes: plays the exact same as every other character and her route has less annoying gimmicks than team chaotix's shadow: is she even in this one sonic 06: is in like 2 cutscenes rush: hangs out with blaze once? boom: its boom forces: i think she has a line frontier: is pretty normal
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Dec 17, 2022 14:33
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Ooh I hate that female hedgehog!!!
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Dec 17, 2022 14:34
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Show some god drat respect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hGNAsTz0uU
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Dec 17, 2022 14:35
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the subdued voice acting in frontiers was a bit weird but Amy benefited the most from it I thought
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Dec 17, 2022 14:43
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Amy *is* kind of the worst speed character in Heroes but it's an extremely minor thing. It just comes down to if you tap B instead of holding it for Rocket Accel, she stops to swing her hammer. Espio does the same kind of thing, but he throws a shuriken, and he has the bonus of a unique invisibility power on his tornado attack. Sonic and Shadow do a slide kick that lets you keep your momentum going instead. As far as story she's definitely at her worst in Heroes too. FORCING Sonic to marry her? hosed up motivation imho.
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Dec 17, 2022 14:49
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Dabir posted:Amy *is* kind of the worst speed character in Heroes but it's an extremely minor thing. It just comes down to if you tap B instead of holding it for Rocket Accel, she stops to swing her hammer. Espio does the same kind of thing, but he throws a shuriken, and he has the bonus of a unique invisibility power on his tornado attack. Sonic and Shadow do a slide kick that lets you keep your momentum going instead. As far as story she's definitely at her worst in Heroes too. FORCING Sonic to marry her? hosed up motivation imho. Actually I'm going to agree with the last bit here, the Heroes/Battle/Sonic X era was kind of the nadir of her depiction in my personal opinion. She's supposed to consistently be the one member the main cast who's kind and forgiving to anyone in any given circumstance (hello Adventure 1 and 2, convincing Gamma to turn against Robotnik, having Sonic and Gamma call off their battle, jogging Shadow's memory into making him save the world), but that was the time where they had her lashing out at and clobbering anyone who questioned the TWU WUV between her and Sonic. Though, I will admit that her creating a tulpa of Sonic during Battle's storyline was pretty hilarious. ZZT the Fifth fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Dec 17, 2022 |
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Dec 17, 2022 14:56
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yeah that era had a lot of lame amy jokes, i dont disagree that she could be pretty annoying in that period, but also she wasnt really around that much
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Dec 17, 2022 14:59
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Sonic Battle was sick I should play that again.
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Dec 17, 2022 15:28
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No you shouldn't 
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sonic battle has some cool ideas but yeah 90% of the fights are just too long
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Endorph posted:list of amy appearances: she is a level partner in shadow! and she's playable in 06 where they gave her espio's invisibility for some reason
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Dec 17, 2022 16:37
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Lmao, ok not gonna lie I was NOT expecting that reaction to me not liking Amy. Y'all are weird but I'm happy you're having fun I guess. To be clear though I'm just saying that if they did the Zelda thing they could rework her character a bit to have a bit more going on personality-wise. I'm not opposed to her existence in general. And yeah I think I misremembered how often she' s actually used. My bad.
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Dec 17, 2022 18:48
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I did find it weird that they decided to bring up rings as not just a thing in Prime, but as their video game function. In other media they are either ignored or serve another purpose (power boost in the old 90s cartoon, portals in the movies, etc.), but in Prime they are used just as in the video game even though it only comes up as a thing in one battle, and it wasn’t like “Oh crap I’m outta rings” to raise tension, Sonic just loses some when getting hit. And Sonic is a goddamn punching bag in this show, so it makes it even stranger that the rings stop being a thing he needs. Also Prime’s writers really wanted to make Rose badass in this show. Want a game where I play as Rusty Rose.
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Dec 17, 2022 19:00
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but they've already reworked the characters several times without doing a Zelda thing. Game mechanics being present in the tv show has nothing to do with that either. It would be a terrible idea to suddenly pivot to being an anthology series 31 years into the franchise history Augus fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Dec 17, 2022 |
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Dec 17, 2022 19:02
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i mean frontier already took amy in a decent direction imo, you dont need to radically alter the universe every game to just shift characterization. tails and amy got good material in that game that built off their previous stuff.
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Dec 17, 2022 19:02
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flavor.flv posted:No you shouldn't Got I remember getting stuck on the Knuckles fight in chapter one for the longest time because I had no points to equip good moves Nowadays I use the Phi Farm at Tails' House to rack up an easy 5 per; you can do the first half of the fight, get the points, then lose the second fight, which kicks you back to the first fight, and rinse, wash, repeat until you can equip everything you need Also why is the cap 500 when you need almost 700 to equip all the Ultimate moves, which are next to useless because the AI auto-blocks the basic attack string since they count as special moves, so the only useful one is the Heavy attack 
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Dec 17, 2022 19:12
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Not entirely sure why Knuckles is played by two different people in Prime but I kind of like the second guy more than the main one to be honest As for Amy, I seem to remember her Boom counterpart being alright for the most part as well and they seem to have downplayed her crush on Sonic as of late (I don’t think Prime mentions it at all for that matter) Larryb fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Dec 17, 2022 |
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Dec 17, 2022 19:17
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readingatwork posted:Lmao, ok not gonna lie I was NOT expecting that reaction to me not liking Amy. Y'all are weird but I'm happy you're having fun I guess. To be clear though I'm just saying that if they did the Zelda thing they could rework her character a bit to have a bit more going on personality-wise. I'm not opposed to her existence in general. My Amy opinions are deeply and irreversibly colored by the comics, where she's A) the best and B) see A
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Larryb posted:Not entirely sure why Knuckles is played by two different people in Prime but I kind of like the second guy more than the main one to be honest I think they swapped him in at the last minute to sound more like Idris Elba, but they only bothered with the prime version because you can handwave the other ones away
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Dec 17, 2022 20:48
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also amy was the best part of Sonic Advance
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readingatwork posted:Lmao, ok not gonna lie I was NOT expecting that reaction to me not liking Amy. Y'all are weird I don't think so Tim
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