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What is the most powerful flying bug? This poll is closed. |
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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
| dragonfly |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
| 🐝 |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Tankbuster posted:this war uses advance wars rules you dummy. I'm sorry, are you talking about BattleTech? Because I only play up to 3050 and prefer 3025. The Advanced Rules get too weird and cumbersome.
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Dec 18, 2022 16:24
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Cerebral Bore posted:no, it definitely does matter since there's a much better chance that the current government would sign a peace in the name of self-preservation than if the government consisted of a bunch of blood-gargling open nazis at some point you have to acknowledge that Zelenskyy is just a friendlier face for advertising to the west so unlimited support keeps flowing in, and when his stated negotiating position is stuff like "we're going to take back Crimea" (or up until pretty recently, that he wouldn't even talk to a Russian head of state unless Russia couped putin), the blood gargling nazis are already in control and Zelenskyy is just a lovely Halloween mask they wear when pitching to investors anyways, Russia isn't going to just blow up a head of state, it wouldn't play well with anyone but their own hardcore nationalist freaks who are all in regardless, it would be a major escalation, and why would Russia want to set a precedent that blowing up heads of state is even on the table as a valid tactic
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Dec 18, 2022 16:25
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyIkSxzRGLU
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Dec 18, 2022 16:37
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Cerebral Bore posted:no, it definitely does matter since there's a much better chance that the current government would sign a peace in the name of self-preservation than if the government consisted of a bunch of blood-gargling open nazis And do you have any sort of argument or evidence to back up this wild claim that absolutely nothing suggest to be true?
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Dec 18, 2022 16:44
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Lostconfused posted:And do you have any sort of argument or evidence to back up this wild claim that absolutely nothing suggest to be true? Putin should just ask Zelensky if he's going to fight to the death or negotiate, and if the big Z says fight to the death, then targeted strike him, and then be, "what, he said that he wasn't going to negotiate, what was i supposed to do?"
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Dec 18, 2022 16:47
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Which one is Uwe Boll and which one is lowtax in this analogy
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Dec 18, 2022 16:49
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speng31b posted:at some point you have to acknowledge that Zelenskyy is just a friendlier face for advertising to the west so unlimited support keeps flowing in, and when his stated negotiating position is stuff like "we're going to take back Crimea" (or up until pretty recently, that he wouldn't even talk to a Russian head of state unless Russia couped putin), the blood gargling nazis are already in control and Zelenskyy is just a lovely Halloween mask they wear when pitching to investors im p sure that zelensky, being a shitlib, is mainly trying to save his own skin and/or position, which suggests that if the military situation became completely untenable he'd sign a peace deal and gently caress off to some sinecure job in the west rather than hole up in the kiev fuhrerbunker until the bitter end Lostconfused posted:And do you have any sort of argument or evidence to back up this wild claim that absolutely nothing suggest to be true? the wild claim that ideologically committed nazis are not keen on making peace
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Dec 18, 2022 16:51
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The only argument I see for Zelensky right now is that this rear end in a top hat is too busy banning all political opposition destroying civil society to focus on the war or killing people. Although I don't think it actually matters all that much since nazis are free to kill and torture anyone they want.
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Dec 18, 2022 16:52
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Cerebral Bore posted:the wild claim that ideologically committed nazis are not keen on making peace
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Dec 18, 2022 16:52
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Cerebral Bore posted:im p sure that zelensky, being a shitlib, is mainly trying to save his own skin and/or position, which suggests that if the military situation became completely untenable he'd sign a peace deal and gently caress off to some sinecure job in the west rather than hole up in the kiev fuhrerbunker until the bitter end nothing about the way this has played out suggests he can just decide to do something like that, he has to contend with the nationalists who presumably have been keeping negotiations off the table so far and had their own chief negotiator murdered last time around and of course the US MIC who now owns his soul in a blood pact
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Dec 18, 2022 16:53
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Lostconfused posted:Show me a Ukrainian official committed to making peace. committed to making peace and willing to make peace if the alternative is death are two pretty different things, you absolute dunderhead speng31b posted:nothing about the way this has played out suggests he can just decide to do something like that, he has to contend with the nationalists who presumably have been keeping negotiations off the table so far and had their chief negotiator murdered last time around yea, it's easy to bluster and make maximalist demands when you think you're winning, less so if its your own head on the chopping block again, zelensky has been hyped to such ungodly levels that the worst case scenario for him is spending the rest of his life in the west getting rich from grifting idiot libs. dude isn't gonna fight to the death unless the nazis are holding a gun to his head, which they very well might be, but it's still a better chance that ukraine would sign a peace deal under him than if the ideological fanatics were in charge because they definitely wouldn't negotiate even if they were losing
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Dec 18, 2022 17:01
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Cerebral Bore posted:again, zelensky has been hyped to such ungodly levels that the worst case scenario for him is spending the rest of his life in the west getting rich from grifting idiot libs. dude isn't gonna fight to the death unless the nazis are holding a gun to his head, which they very well might be, but it's still a better chance that ukraine would sign a peace deal under him than if the ideological fanatics were in charge because they definitely wouldn't negotiate even if they were losing i just fundamentally don't think he's empowered to make those decisions, and I think if he was out the effective outcome wouldn't be much different. i guess i just don't believe he has a restraining influence on the hardline nationalists, whether through petty self interest or any other reason, because there's no evidence of it. His current stance and the actions his government are taking are not different from what I'd expect if nationalists were just running things outright
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Dec 18, 2022 17:06
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Cerebral Bore posted:you absolute dunderhead
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Dec 18, 2022 17:10
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speng31b posted:i just fundamentally don't think he's empowered to make those decisions, and I think if he was out the effective outcome wouldn't be much different. i guess i just don't believe he has a restraining influence on the hardline nationalists, whether through petty self interest or any other reason, because there's no evidence of it. His current stance and the actions his government are taking are not different from what I'd expect if nationalists were just running things outright i would assume that if the russians started winning hard enough that zelensky & co would seriously consider peacing out the nationalists would also be so weakened and discredited that they wouldn't be able to exercise some kind of absolute veto regardless, from a russian perspective any chance of ukraine giving up is better than no chance of it
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Dec 18, 2022 17:14
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Cerebral Bore posted:i would assume that if the russians started winning hard enough that zelensky & co would seriously consider peacing out the nationalists would also be so weakened and discredited that they wouldn't be able to exercise some kind of absolute veto eh, I think at this point the meganazis have been empowered and that ship has sailed. any change in the state of battle short of a full government toppling isn't going to disempower nationalists in ukraine at this point. they hold literally every lever of power, and have the full backing of the US MIC from a russian standpoint i doubt that they are under any illusions that Zelenskyy is the real voice of reason and they're preserving him for that reason, as i said earlier there simply isn't any benefit to start knocking off heads of state. it would make the Russian hardline freaks happy, but those people never needed convincing
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Dec 18, 2022 17:18
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Cerebral Bore posted:i would assume that if the russians started winning hard enough that zelensky & co would seriously consider peacing out the nationalists would also be so weakened and discredited that they wouldn't be able to exercise some kind of absolute veto Honestly, I don’t think the Russians are expecting the Ukrainians to independently negotiate, Zelensky at best would be a conduit for American negotiations. That said, there is the very real possibility that Zelensky would be informed the war is over second hand. Also, offing Zelensky doesn’t really change anything as another proxy would simply be appointed in his place. The Russians finally figured out though that any deal depends on the facts of the ground, and the Ukrainian government seems to generally being ignored.
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Dec 18, 2022 17:22
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Boston Whaler should gift Zelenskyy a boat he can go far away on, unsinkable!
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Dec 18, 2022 17:25
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chairface posted:putin's leader power is poo poo; he doesn't even know the health of his own units. sending 2hp tanks up against fresh mechs lol all this is a ploy to move rocket and artillery units into firing range.
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Dec 18, 2022 17:30
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Homeless Friend posted:thats exactly where i'd place kyiv in civilization I'd build Minsk at the other fork just a few tiles upriver before your influence expands to include it, preventing you from utilizing the full locus of surrounding tiles and hobbling your development 
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Dec 18, 2022 17:38
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being humiliated by an enemy doesn't discredit nationalists it strengthens them
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Dec 18, 2022 17:39
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Ardennes posted:Honestly, I don’t think the Russians are expecting the Ukrainians to independently negotiate, Zelensky at best would be a conduit for American negotiations. That said, there is the very real possibility that Zelensky would be informed the war is over second hand. Trying to think of a negotiating partner outside of NATO or the Russian Bloc who'd be an acceptable intermediary for negotiations for both sides and I'm drawing a blank. Maybe the Swiss?
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Dec 18, 2022 17:47
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The negotiations are with the NATO bloc. They're the ones that decide if Ukraine can keep fighting or not.
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Dec 18, 2022 17:51
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Zeroisanumber posted:Trying to think of a negotiating partner outside of NATO or the Russian Bloc who'd be an acceptable intermediary for negotiations for both sides and I'm drawing a blank. India
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Dec 18, 2022 18:02
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Lostconfused posted:The negotiations are with the NATO bloc.
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Dec 18, 2022 18:04
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mlmp08 posted:Stuff like the shape of the world, how roads and rail work, Russia’s stated objectives, etc. lol this is a great post
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Dec 18, 2022 18:09
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Zeroisanumber posted:lol deradicalization a.k.a. "Take off your swastika patches and quit throwing up the roman salute when cameras are around you idiots!" oh no, nothing that far they're flying wolfsangel and heiling in the video they took that screenshot from they did nothing at all and that's more than enough
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Dec 18, 2022 18:14
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A less glib answer is Turkiye, what with all the grain corridor business and prisoner exchange arrangements.
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Dec 18, 2022 18:16
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Ardennes posted:Honestly, I don’t think the Russians are expecting the Ukrainians to independently negotiate, Zelensky at best would be a conduit for American negotiations. I do not understand why you would think the reason Ukrainians are fighting is because some policy person at dept of state American told them to. If Russia’s theory of ending the war was a negotiation with America rather than winning the war on the ground in Ukraine, that would be tremendously stupid. I think they are smarter than that.
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Dec 18, 2022 18:25
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mlmp08 posted:I do not understand why you would think the reason Ukrainians are fighting is because some policy person at dept of state American told them to. lol
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Dec 18, 2022 18:26
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I don’t know if I take seriously the opinion of the “Why doesn’t Russia seize Lviv?” guy.
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Dec 18, 2022 18:31
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mlmp08 posted:I do not understand why you would think the reason Ukrainians are fighting is because some policy person at dept of state American told them to. Ukrainians are fighting cause they have both motivation and ability. a successful negotiation with america cuts off their funding and military supply which cripples their ability to maintain a functional government let alone military, it's not stupid at all
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Dec 18, 2022 18:33
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mlmp08 posted:I do not understand why you would think the reason Ukrainians are fighting is because some policy person at dept of state American told them to. lol back to basics i see
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Dec 18, 2022 18:33
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mlmp08 posted:I do not understand why you would think the reason Ukrainians are fighting is because some policy person at dept of state American told them to. The reason Ukrainians are fighting is because the American government and its vassals are giving money and weapons to Ukrainians to fight with.
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Dec 18, 2022 18:34
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indigi posted:Ukrainians are fighting cause they have both motivation and ability. a successful negotiation with america cuts off their funding and military supply which cripples their ability to maintain a functional government let alone military, it's not stupid at all I think a better plan is to win the war, not hope you can convince a third party who isn’t present on the battlefield and isn’t suffering casualties to simply change their mind and cut off Ukraine. And then hope that even IF you can convince a third party to stop spending money, you have to hope Ukraine says “aw shucks” instead of some lovely insurgency and ongoing fighting. It’s a poo poo theory of victory, even worse than simply hoping the US and Europeans grow weary and quietly turn off aid on their own schedule. The latter seems more plausible than Russia convincing the US to give up aid to Ukraine and then further getting the US to tell Ukraine to surrender.
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Dec 18, 2022 18:37
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But hey, hope springs eternal. Maybe Russia will use a powerful soliloquy to convince the US to demand that Ukraine surrenders. If that does end up being the outcome, man, seems like it’s probably not gonna happen until at least another year from now.
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Dec 18, 2022 18:38
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Slavvy posted:Saying they didn't take Kiev is disingenuous when it was clear that the whole exercise was as a threat ala Georgia and actually capturing it was never on the table to start with. I find it very doubtful that anyone involved seriously thought they could actually storm the city. Been saying this. The issue was it was planned as a success to force capitulation- once that was clearly not happening there wasn't much else to do but sit around as there wasn't a plan for a serious attack. I won't speculate as to whether a Ukrainian government committed to protecting its citizenry rather than sacrificing them would have done anything differently in response, but it's an important point of order for understanding the psychology of both sides.
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Dec 18, 2022 18:41
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the nazis, who are only .0001% of the military, keep ending up on camera a good fraction of the time somehow
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Dec 18, 2022 18:47
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mlmp08 posted:I think a better plan is to win the war, for sure but nothing Russia has done in the past 10 months suggests they're good at plans
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Dec 18, 2022 18:52
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Slava Argentina https://twitter.com/Ukraine/status/1604492740754083843
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