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Human Tornada posted:Whoever they wind up casting I think the smart move would be to just have him be James Bond already and go on a mission. Just focus on making it a good movie without trying to reinvent the wheel again. And please for the love of God don't set it in the '60s. I dunno, the villainy of Russia is back in vogue for some reason.
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Human Tornada posted:Whoever they wind up casting I think the smart move would be to just have him be James Bond already and go on a mission. Just focus on making it a good movie without trying to reinvent the wheel again. And please for the love of God don't set it in the '60s. NTTD is odd because they obviously want to tell an emotionally affecting story and then they insert these classic bond camp elements into it like the whole Spectre party and the wacky scientist guy and poo poo. It’s like halfway Brosnan and halfway Craig. I still think it was mostly good and a fitting capstone.
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Dec 18, 2022 02:13
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They should just start back like Moore or Dalton or Brosnan. Just make some references to him being an agent for a while and let it be a Bond movie again.
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Dec 18, 2022 08:10
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Why not set it in the 50s and have him be an unhappy alcoholic government agent who hates himself and what he does
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Dec 18, 2022 09:32
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Watched "No time to die" yesterday with a friend and I am completely baffled how we both managed to dodge that spoiler all this time.
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Dec 18, 2022 15:04
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Sounds like you dodged better than he did
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Dec 18, 2022 15:35
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MrMojok posted:Why not set it in the 50s and have him be an unhappy alcoholic government agent who hates himself and what he does I’m still angling for a faithful The Spy Who Loved Me adaptation with the night gunfight in the flaming motel. https://twitter.com/dougjballoon/status/1604498366292951041?s=46&t=Ni23bDZqZuSOjMgHNyWpJQ
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Dec 18, 2022 16:36
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MrMojok posted:Why not set it in the 50s and have him be an unhappy alcoholic government agent who hates himself and what he does It doesn't have to be set in the '50s for the rest of this to apply. Magnetic North posted:I dunno, the villainy of Russia is back in vogue for some reason. Same for this. Making a period piece just isn't what I'd want to see creatively, besides the fact that there's just no reason for it. It would make them look desperate when the Bond brand is still very strong.
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Dec 18, 2022 18:23
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Don't love the idea of putting Bond back into the 50s or 60s. Seems like either an excuse to turn him back into a grab-rear end or be a re-do apology for it.
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Dec 18, 2022 19:17
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The last five movies were all about a Bond who is an unhappy alcoholic government agent who hates himself and what he does. I'm ready for a change, bring back some more of the camp and humor. And I also join those who don't want or care about a reboot/origin story/explanation for how James Bond isn't dead. Just start with an awesome cold open of James Bond out on a mission being James Bond and everyone will go along with it.
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Dec 18, 2022 19:45
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Every scene ends with Bond being killed. Next scene, the story continues with him as if nothing had happened, like an FMV game with infinite continues.
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Dec 19, 2022 01:50
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Payndz posted:Every scene ends with Bond being killed. Next scene, the story continues with him as if nothing had happened, like an FMV game with infinite continues. Out of curiosity, have you seen Casino Royale (1967)? Because I think it may be right up your ally.
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Dec 19, 2022 02:30
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Payndz posted:Every scene ends with Bond being killed. Next scene, the story continues with him as if nothing had happened, like an FMV game with infinite continues. Jameon Bondux
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Dec 19, 2022 14:56
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Lobok posted:Don't love the idea of putting Bond back into the 50s or 60s. Seems like either an excuse to turn him back into a grab-rear end or be a re-do apology for it. Why do you have to? In the Moonraker book, Bond doesn’t even have a romance. Gala Brand dislikes him for most of the story and slaps him and shoves him away when he tries to kiss her. They grow close through the experience of stopping Drax but it turns out she was already engaged. Bond ends the book realizing he was just overconfident and misreading the room the entire time.
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Dec 21, 2022 12:44
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You "have to" because it's unavoidable. Returning to that time period is necessarily going to come off as being corrective. "Forget what happened in those old Bond movies, here's how he really should have acted." Going back in time also seems like an admission they were wrong in contemporary movies when arguing for Bond's relevance. The problems and villains of the modern world aren't interesting enough so let's go back to the Cold War.
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Dec 21, 2022 14:41
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I'm sure the massive box-office success of The Man From UNCLE will encourage Eon to bring Bond back to the 1960s. 
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Dec 21, 2022 15:13
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People at the end of history in 2020 posted:Soldiers and spies just aren't relevant anymore, Bond. What does MI6 even do in a world of progress and plenty, secured by unlimited supplies of natural gas?
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Dec 21, 2022 15:36
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Lobok posted:Going back in time also seems like an admission they were wrong in contemporary movies when arguing for Bond's relevance. The problems and villains of the modern world aren't interesting enough so let's go back to the Cold War. Eh, it might be okay. Before the MCU, only hardcore Bond fans cared about any of this metaplot stuff, and by the time a new Bond happens, the metaplot multiversal madness will be played out  As long as it's not another origin story, I'm okay.
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Dec 21, 2022 15:39
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Magnetic North posted:As long as it's not another origin story, I'm okay.
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Dec 21, 2022 15:54
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If they are actually gonna cast a younger Bond this time then you can bet it'll include an origin story.
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Magnetic North posted:As long as it's not another origin story, I'm okay. Reminds me, has anyone read Forever And a Day? It is Anthony Horowitz's second Bond novel and second time he's set it in the Fleming era. Which I am ok with for the books because there's unused Fleming material to build on and his style can be imitated. It can actually feel like a book written back then whereas with movies it's nearly impossible to fake being anything other than contemporary. But it's also interesting that the book is an origin story. It basically does what Casino Royale the movie does but for the literary Fleming Bond, by starting off with his first kills to become a double-O. Which is kind of funny because chronologically it means being a prequel to Casino Royale the book. Edit: the Bond books have been in a weird place after Benson. There was a big break and then a bunch of novelists, who are pretty big names, who did one book each before the licence moved to someone else. Only Horowitz has been given more than one but apparently he'll be done after his third. And part of the reason I mention it is that they did an origin story before, with Carte Blanche, but it was a modern version. And promptly abandoned I guess. Lobok fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Dec 21, 2022 |
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Dec 21, 2022 16:04
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Basebf555 posted:If they are actually gonna cast a younger Bond this time then you can bet it'll include an origin story. I feel like they don’t. The one thing that’s always consistent about the bond movies is they always try something different. Either taking ideas and styles in that current era or just shaking it up to keep it fresh. The origin, heavy continuity was a new way to take the franchise. For the first time we had a bond who we got to see start and end. But they usually try not to repeat themselves too much so I doubt they’ll do an origin again. They might of course, who knows but EON, but I’m gonna doubt it The 60’s idea if they’re going with it would give the new bond a pretty unique feel compared to the last few decades. X men first class was pretty fun and used that aesthetic in a neat way. So idk I’m interested
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CelticPredator posted:I feel like they don’t. The one thing that’s always consistent about the bond movies is they always try something different. Either taking ideas and styles in that current era or just shaking it up to keep it fresh. The origin, heavy continuity was a new way to take the franchise. For the first time we had a bond who we got to see start and end. Haven't they leaked to pretty much everywhere that they're looking for a younger Bond, specifically one somewhere between mid 20 to early 30's? Like, maybe everyone got that rumor wrong, but the more likely scenario is that they're just going for a younger Bond.
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Yeah I think so I just don’t think they’re gonna do an origin again
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CelticPredator posted:Yeah I think so I just don’t think they’re gonna do an origin again Maybe. I agree with Basebf, though. If they're doing a younger Bond, an origin story is pretty likely. I don't want it, but it's probable.
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Obviously appealing to a younger audience doesn't hurt, but my guess is they mainly just want someone who won't age out of the role anytime soon. People found it charming (I think?) but Barbara Broccoli probably doesn't want another cranky mid 40s actor saying he'd rather slit his wrists than play Bond again after only four movies.
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thrawn527 posted:Maybe. I agree with Basebf, though. If they're doing a younger Bond, an origin story is pretty likely. I don't want it, but it's probable. Or maybe they just don't want to repeat the mistakes of the past where Moore felt super uncomfortable with some of the female characters flirting with him.
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It also doesn't help that they can't seem to put out a film in less than 5 years these days.
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~Coxy posted:It also doesn't help that they can't seem to put out a film in less than 5 years these days. Yeah, this seems to be a thing with Doctor Who, too, that can’t manage to put more than 10 episodes in 2-3 years. And it predates Covid. What’s going on, England?
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thrawn527 posted:Yeah, this seems to be a thing with Doctor Who, too, that can’t manage to put more than 10 episodes in 2-3 years. And it predates Covid. What’s going on, England? The Tories have been bleeding out the BBC's budget for years and with the abolishment of the TV license, they might have finally dealt it the death blow. No wonder they had to team up with Disney to keep the show alive. Also due to the huge variety of stories and sets, Doctor Who is just a super complex show to shoot and produce. Apparently one of the reasons why the early revival seasons came out as fast as they did is because RTD and Moffat are utter maniac workaholics. There's a reason why they went with Chibnall despite being clearly unsuited for the job: no one else wanted it. Edit: Other than the somewhat anomalous case of Who, British shows are just usually shorter with more relaxed production schedules. AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Dec 22, 2022 |
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If they want to appeal to a younger audience Bond should do one of those vlog TikToks that are so popular. "Here's my day in the life as a licenced assassin ✌️"
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It makes sense to hold off on a new Bond for a little while. Let the Fast and Furious and Mission Impossible drop their final installments and release the new Bond into a space where there aren't any other big spy franchises going.AceOfFlames posted:The Tories have been bleeding out the BBC's budget for years and with the abolishment of the TV license, they might have finally dealt it the death blow. No wonder they had to team up with Disney to keep the show alive. Also the Davies era was comfortable looking a lot cheaper than American genre shows (and was released at a time when audiences were OK with that - I'm not sure that generosity would be there now in the current climate of movie-budgeted shows). The moffat era raised the production values and started doing a lot of split seasons near the end as a result. High Warlord Zog fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Dec 22, 2022 |
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CelticPredator posted:I feel like they don’t. The one thing that’s always consistent about the bond movies is they always try something different. Either taking ideas and styles in that current era or just shaking it up to keep it fresh. The origin, heavy continuity was a new way to take the franchise. For the first time we had a bond who we got to see start and end. James Bond IN SPAA-, uh. James Bond in FUTURE SPACE!
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Get Timothy Dalton back so he can finally seduce an android
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pretty soft girl posted:Get Timothy Dalton back so he can finally seduce an android A darker, more grounded Goldeneye with Dalton would have been amazing. 
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DarkSol posted:A darker, more grounded Goldeneye with Dalton would have been amazing. Goldeneye doesn't need to be darker or more grounded. It was an amazing top-tier Bond movie as-is. If you want darker or more grounded, watch Ronin instead.
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Goldeneye is perfect. It's your brains that are broken
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gohuskies posted:Goldeneye doesn't need to be darker or more grounded. It was an amazing top-tier Bond movie as-is. If you want darker or more grounded, watch Ronin instead. Don't take my original post to imply that Goldeneye wasn't top-tier. Brosnan absolutely hit it out of the park with his opener in the Bond series. And it's a shame that the majority of his films felt more like campy extensions of the Moore era films instead of maintaining or exceeding the bar that Goldeneye set. I just think Dalton Bond navigating post-Soviet Russia would be interesting, since we've seen that version of Bond deal with the Soviet Union too.
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Dalton deserved more films, dude killed it in both of his appearances and managed to do darker better than Craig while also actually being able to pull off the humor. That said, the next script they had looked like a total trashfire and I'm glad he got to go out on a highnote
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yeah the tradeoff for Dalton getting only two Bond movies is he's the only Bond with a perfect record (I do like On Her Majesty's Secret Service as a movie but Lazenby is kind of my least favorite thing about it)
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