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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

lol Christ. We’re just supposed to let this pass without comment eh?

Not all hills are worthy battlegrounds.

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

mlmp08 posted:

A professional who assumes without evidence that Russia will do awesome doctrinal maneuvers and strategy, desperately discarding any evidence to the contrary, is going to be some garbage in garbage out analysis. Even if they sometimes happen to use doctrinal terms correctly, if it suits their point at that time. When needed, can discard the terms or misrepresent their meaning and say it’s so the proles understand.

lol at the escalation in back biting

you ok bro?

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

mlmp08 posted:

A professional who assumes without evidence that Russia will do awesome doctrinal maneuvers and strategy, desperately discarding any evidence to the contrary, is going to be some garbage in garbage out analysis. Even if they sometimes happen to use doctrinal terms correctly, if it suits their point at that time. When needed, can discard the terms or misrepresent their meaning and say it’s so the proles understand.

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

GoLambo posted:

It's still not as stupid as suggesting they would fight block to block outnumbered 100 to 1. It can be some other kind of stupid, like expecting the shock to begin negotiations, but it absolutely isn't the poo poo you're trying to sell. Why don't you try a better guess then, instead of this obviously ridiculous one? There are plenty of bad, even terrible ideas they could have had about this, but that one is out of the question. It wasn't on the table.

I dont think they expected to fight savagely block to block outnumbered 100 to 1, they would literally shock the Ukrainians out of even resisting with paratroopers and tanks appearing in the streets of Kiev on day one like when they rolled into Crimea. Replace the government, ensure Russian interests and Russian-speakers rights are respected, and then go home

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
hey now, mlmp08 doesn't get things wrong because he never actually says anything.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
thank you mlp your ridiculous attempts at a feud with FF are still incredibly funny and I needed a laugh. :) :)

god bless!

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Regarde Aduck posted:

hey now, mlmp08 doesn't get things wrong because he never actually says anything.

lol

except saying that russia probably blew up their own pipeline

e: that pipeline discussion was wonderful

mlmp08 posted:

It’s simple. I do not believe you are asking with any sincerity.

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lobotomy molo has issued a correction as of 22:30 on Dec 18, 2022

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
im the only one who knows anything about anything

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


I know Jack poo poo about this war but even I know us loving Anglos blew up that pipeline

Seatbelts
Mar 29, 2010
Pipelines often blow up when they are stressed out and desperate for food in the wild.
They only do this under great distress and its not funny

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
but what if your posts.... are wrong

what.... then??

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

paul_soccer12 posted:

im the only one who knows anything about anything

this

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Seatbelts posted:

Pipelines often blow up when they are stressed out and desperate for food in the wild.
They only do this under great distress and its not funny

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Regarde Aduck posted:

but what if your posts.... are wrong

what.... then??

your die in the game you die in real life

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

When did NAFO decide that the Epoch Times was pro-PRC
https://twitter.com/propornot/status/1602899509771907072?t=ZjnIVNVRvClZJJ036IBipQ&s=19

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Who blew up the pipeline tho.

Who do you think, Cpt_Obvious?

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Who blew up the pipeline tho.

One of the great mysteries.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

lobotomy molo posted:

except saying that russia probably blew up their own pipeline

No, I didn’t. If you require making poo poo up to attempt a burn, seems weak.

Regarde Aduck posted:

hey now, mlmp08 doesn't get things wrong because he never actually says anything.

I just don’t make the insane claims people ascribe. Instead my predictions have been pretty mild. Most of what I have said is either yet to be determined: thought war would continue until at least next summer. or it already has proven pretty accurate (air war, Kyiv, logistics, etc).

I might not have posted it, But I overestimated Russia’s ability to conduct SEAD prior to the invasion and I overestimated their speed to take the Donbas once they withdrew from the failed operation vicinity of Kyiv.

mlmp08 has issued a correction as of 00:22 on Dec 19, 2022

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

mlmp08 posted:

No, I didn’t. If you require making poo poo up to attempt a burn, seems weak.

I just don’t make the insane claims people ascribe. Instead my predictions have been pretty mild. Most of what I have said is either yet to be determined: thought war would continue until at least next summer. or it already has proven pretty accurate (air war, Kyiv, logistics, etc).

I might not have posted it, But I overestimated Russia’s ability to conduct SEAD prior to the invasion and I overestimated their speed to take the Donbas once they withdrew from the failed operation vicinity of Kyiv.

oh for sure buddy ;)

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
gee maybe it was russia who knows :shrug:

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
mlmp08 blew up the pipeline and has been attempting to sow doubt ever since

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
bad faith wrong assertions, one weird trick mlp08 hates

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

OctaMurk posted:

mlmp08 blew up the pipeline and has been attempting to sow doubt ever since

i only blew up one section though, and I’m still searching for the people who stole my thunder, hitting the other segments.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
gently caress you

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Regarde Aduck posted:

gently caress you

you’ll be okay

speng31b
May 8, 2010

mlmp08 posted:

i only blew up one section though, and I’m still searching for the people who stole my thunder, hitting the other segments.

stolen valor from joe biden, shameful

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

I don't know who blew up the pipeline but I think it's funny to speculate who wanted to screw over Germany the most.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

I don't know who blew up the pipeline but I think it's funny to speculate who wanted to screw over Germany the most.

Pretty sure this means the pipeline was blown up by the German green party

Facehammer
Mar 11, 2008

The pipeline was blown up on the orders of Liz Truss. I don't know or particularly care the details of how or why, but it's the funniest possible reason, so that's what I choose to believe.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
According to Rybar, Ukrainian hospitals are running out of the resources to cope with the wounded and dead they are taking in. This seems to generally jive with other reports coming out of the Donbass.

Otherwise, the Russians are claiming to have taken out at least 4 s-300 launchers in central Ukraine. It may be that the focus is turning toward AD.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 01:34 on Dec 19, 2022

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

The hospital thing started ever since the infrastructure strikes became a problem. Hospitals were already getting hit pretty hard having to deal with the costs of Ukrainian offensives since Kharkiv, but they also had their generators taken by the army for the frontline. Some big names were setting up donation drives to buy generators because turns out places that should have had them, didn't.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/KhersonFrom/status/1604048276885585921

Russia's been busy rebuilding Mariupol for whoever was wondering about it earlier.

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/KhersonFrom/status/1604048276885585921

Russia's been busy rebuilding Mariupol for whoever was wondering about it earlier.

drat, lovely new development really does look the same everywhere

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Lostconfused posted:

The hospital thing started ever since the infrastructure strikes became a problem. Hospitals were already getting hit pretty hard having to deal with the costs of Ukrainian offensives since Kharkiv, but they also had their generators taken by the army for the frontline. Some big names were setting up donation drives to buy generators because turns out places that should have had them, didn't.

well that and the raging out of control pandemic that’s killed more people than the war

i really wish the zelensky regime was open to negotiation to end the war, this is inflicting incredible suffering on the poor civilians trapped in the middle

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

It’s not good, obviously, but how bad depends on their medical model. So much of the Ukrainian Army carries forward Soviet systems that if that remains the case here, glossed in posts way back when but in detail in FM 100-2-2: The Soviet Army: Specialized Warfare and Rear Area Support (Jul ‘84), the hospitals shouldn’t really be the backbone.

In that model,casualties are supposed to be treated at as low an echelon as possible and returned to action. Only the most severe cases should even enter centralized rear areas hospitals, let alone civilian hospitals. As they are are “out of the war” if they’re sent that far back (harder to return to their units), it’s a last resort. In other words, it’s not like our use of Role III or Landstuhl, where injuries that could be treated and the patients’ lives saved at much lower levels were evacuated. It was made under the rationale of WW3, so walking wounded better walk their rear end back to battalion as soon as they were stabilized and could do their job.

Ukraine’s medical system is opaque, but scanning military medical journals I don’t see any changes, or much reporting really other than wound types etc. I would guess Ukrainian military reforms since 2014 did not make any changes to change to a “NATO” model more than superficially, and in the low intensity phase they simply evacuated casualties out of theatre to other nations, rather than building capability.

So - the lack of generators and filling civie hospitals is bad, no doubt at all, but it really depends on if they’re trying to be Big Israel, or Little Soviet Union. Under how we in western militaries are used to treating casualties - I was operated on by specialists same calendar date as injury - that’s extremely loving bad at bare minimum for PR and morale. Under Soviet standards, what matters is what amount of casualties are making it back to their units and how quickly, so if they’re still feeding the battle, it’s doing its job.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

:ohdear:

https://twitter.com/Xaniken/status/1604271044172419075

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

should probably stop her, butt... :2bong:

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

lollontee posted:

should probably stop her, butt... :2bong:

It's okay, she's got eight to spare. Slava kishka!

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

Meow Tse-tung posted:

The grinning bullet guys from mario bros who live hard, die young, and fade fast

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Ardennes
May 12, 2002
It does seem generally just being the Soviet model of sending the wounded they can back to the frontlines, it is just the catastrophic cases are piling up along with a growing lack of morgue space (a bit macabre).

That said, the Ukrainians are locked into Bakmut at this point though even if they are slowing losing control, and the human toll is considered acceptable.

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